Why don't most boats have mirrors?

[chriscraft254]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

Lets not stop there.... What about crumple zones, side impact curtains, 3 point seat belts with pyrotechnic pre-tensioners, and a tether system for baby car (boat) seats.

Can't have crumple zones, that would mean we would have a tinny inside a glasser,lmao

 

[QC]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

If I were to decision maker, I would mandate trim tabs on all registered watrecraft if their top speed is high enough to requrie a skipper license. If you have a terrestrial driver licence and youlive near a navigable stretch or body of water, you should have a marine driver license as well, don't you think.

Funny thing about Aussies. They are freedom loving, partying, outdoor recreation lovers, but for some inexplicable reason they love to be regulated. It's weird, but there you go . . . Most of them would admit the same.

 

[JoLin]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

It's just that... as the holder of an EXTRAterrestrial operator's license, I find all this talk of terrestrial and aquatic licensing rules to be frankly, rather elementary and boring. Collision avoidance at Warp 2 and above would be quite an enlightening experience for most of you, I'm sure.

<yawn>

 

[Myrtonos]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

Eh... Where to start...
What size "boat" are we talking here? Your typical private pleasure style "boat" here in the states typically does not require a captain/skippers license unless you for example are using it for charter reasons like fishing or whale watching. Some states require the person driving the boat to have taken a certified boaters safety course. Some states do have some form of licensing, which usually requires the applicant to take some form of boaters safety course, and they receive an ID like a drivers license after. And some states do not have any form of licensing, just a minimum age requirement to operate the boat (this one is probably going to blow your mind).

If they don't they should, if licences are requried to drive registred vehicles on public roads, they should be requried to drive registered vessels on a public waterway.

If we are talking about a commercial vessel, or something like a very large yacht, or a ship, or a tug. Thats when a captains license is required.

Are captain and skipper licenses the same thing, or is the formar the marine equivalent of a commercial license.

Speed does not determine what boats/ships require a captains license. That's typically determined by what class of boat/ship the vessel is as discussed above.

In my country, so I remember reading, speed does determine these things.

Trim tabs on your typical pleasure boat most of the time are an addition made by the owner, and are usually added to the boat by the owner as an additional means to help a heavy boat get on plane. They are not really regarded as a safety device. Additionally, depending on the hull design, it is sometimes impractical or impossible to install trim tabs. There are millions of boats on the water that have been on the water for decades with out them, and with out incident.

I didn't realise that not all hull desgins allowed for trim tabs. I see them as safety devices in spite of many boats being without them for decades and without incident.

What's to say the person who has a drivers license wants to be a boater?

To be specific, what's to say that a person who has a terrestrial driver's license and lives near a waterway wants to be a boater, driving licenses are often associated with greater indpendence, freedom and mobility even though most cars can carry four or five peolpe.

Does grandma and grandpa need to get a boaters license because they live near a river, but have no interest in boating?

Why do so many people who live near rivers, lakes and the sea have no interest in boating. Having a boaters license as well may acutally gain even more mobility. Let's you live and work near the same river, and your children go to school along the same river. Why not do those trips by boat?

 

[JoLin]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

Myrtonos, do you troll forums for a living, or is this a hobby for you?

(yes, i realized it by the beginning of page 3)

 

[RogersJetboat454]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

If they don't they should, if licences are requried to drive registred vehicles on public roads, they should be requried to drive registered vessels on a public waterway.



Are captain and skipper licenses the same thing, or is the formar the marine equivalent of a commercial license.




In my country, so I remember reading, speed does determine these things.



I didn't realise that not all hull desgins allowed for trim tabs. I see them as safety devices in spite of many boats being without them for decades and without incident.



To be specific, what's to say that a person who has a terrestrial driver's license and lives near a waterway wants to be a boater, driving licenses are often associated with greater indpendence, freedom and mobility even though most cars can carry four or five peolpe.



Why do so many people who live near rivers, lakes and the sea have no interest in boating. Having a boaters license as well may acutally gain even more mobility. Let's you live and work near the same river, and your children go to school along the same river. Why not do those trips by boat?

Boating is risky business, we should just outlaw it all together...
While were at it, motorcycles should have 4 wheels, a full cage, safety glass, and seat belts... Oh... wait a minute...
I'm done.... :facepalm::facepalm:

 

[Myrtonos]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

Privileged (stand-on) vs. whom? If you leave the same port as a commercial barge in a pleasure boat that kinda' works in some situations. But what if 3 pleasure boats all leave port (1 14' fishing boat with a 9HP, a 35' aft cabin with twins and a 22 sail boat)? All three have "stand-on" status. Could you make even more rules to solve this problem? Sure. But EVERY boat on EVERY body of water would then be required to register prior to departure, and EVERY boat on EVERY body of water would have to have a constant feed of communication to update for each new vessel status entering the traffic pattern. You'd need "water traffic controllers" even on small bodies of water.

Right now you have static "rules of the road" that work, but in the situation you suggest you'd have fluid "rules" that change moment by moment and require heavy administration. If you always drive whenever you go out on a car sized vessel, you are a privileged skipper.

I actually find that kind of idea creepy. In essence, you're proposing a legislated mandate of equipment (trim tabs and mirrors) and a complex system of regulation to support a navigation system based on that equipment. Ask the general aviation guys how that kind of stuff has worked out in the last couple of decades. You'll kill a major portion of pleasure boating and the marine industry along side.

Again ... all this 'cause you like to use a mirror and think everyone should? Seems a little much.

I'm not the only one in favous of those things, futher back, some who actually drive boats also supported mirrors. Someone else even supported turn signals on vessels.

 

[southkogs]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

Right now you have static "rules of the road" that work, but in the situation you suggest you'd have fluid "rules" that change moment by moment and require heavy administration. If you always drive whenever you go out on a car sized vessel, you are a privileged skipper.

I'm afraid that doesn't even make sense, let alone answer the question I posed.

 

[Myrtonos]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

Sorry I made a mistake with the quote tags.

 

[southkogs]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

If you're saying that everyone who leaves port in a "car sized vessel" (so anything under 22' roughly), you are the privileged skipper, then here's what would happen where I boat ...

By 10AM on any given Saturday you would have over 100 privileged (right of way) vessels confined in a 1 mile by 5 mile stretch with perhaps 3 burdened vessels (give way). At least 2 of the privileged skippers each hour would have to forfeit their "stand-on" status to avoid a collision.

Making everyone (essentially) on the same body of water privileged (stand-on) is probably not the best idea - with or without mirrors.

 

[CoffeeHound]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

I have went thru a majority of profiles and find a startling fact --- Most aggitators are too young to be on a boat unsupervised and without full teather and life Jacket / they have no country of Flag listed and would not know where the flag is to be flown if they had one . As for the flag pole,, I have a great suggestion!

 

[chriscraft254]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

UNSUBSCRIBED! Anyone want to join me,lmao:facepalm:

 

[CaptainKickback]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

No, I was reffering to two skipper licensees on the same boat, one of them gets to drive the boat (and is thus standing on) and the other is only a passenger (and thus giving way). I hoped that someone would figure that out. If your are always the stand on skipper when you go out on a personal boat (carries the same amount of passengers as a car) than you could be said to be a privileged skipper.

Don't you have this down underside down? The person driving the boat would be the "give way" skipper because he is doing what he needs to do to make (give) way to the boat. The other person is the "stand on" skipper because he is just standing on the boat.

 

[Myrtonos]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

No, if there is only one licensee on board, they get to drive. Thus it makes sense to me that the one whe gets to drive when there are two or more licensee aboard is the stand on skipper.

In essence, you're proposing a legislated mandate of equipment (trim tabs and mirrors) and a complex system of regulation to support a navigation system based on that equipment. Ask the general aviation guys how that kind of stuff has worked out in the last couple of decades. You'll kill a major portion of pleasure boating and the marine industry along side.

Again ... all this 'cause you like to use a mirror and think everyone should? Seems a little much.

No, it's not just about mirrors, it's about ride comfort, and that less yaw and roll reduces the view that the skipper needs to look around and reduces workload.

 

[Home Cookin']

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

"a fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer."

 

[Silly Seville]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

My God! I can't believe you iboats veterans have put so much effort into this thread. Dude from the outback is clearly a TROLL, and took you all for a ride. LOL!

Mod's...PLEASE close this thread!

 

[Oshkosh1]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

In my aviation world...there is an addage.
The two more worthless things to a pilot are altitude above, and runway behind.

There really is NO reason to see what has passed, in the marine world there are stand-on, and give way vessels. Each have their own responsibilities to the other, and neither is liable for what is astern...unless backing.

 

[haulnazz15]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

In my aviation world...there is an addage.
The two more worthless things to a pilot are altitude above, and runway behind.

There really is NO reason to see what has passed, in the marine world there are stand-on, and give way vessels. Each have their own responsibilities to the other, and neither is liable for what is astern...unless backing.

You forgot, fuel left on the ground as well.

 

[southkogs]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

In my aviation world...there is an addage.
The two more worthless things to a pilot are altitude above, and runway behind.

Had never heard that one before Oshkosh - good one.

"a fool can ask more questions than a wise man can answer."

... Yeah, think I've hit that point. I'm pullin' the rip cord.

 

[CaptainKickback]

Re: Why don't most boats have mirrors?

My God! I can't believe you iboats veterans have put so much effort into this thread. Dude from the outback is clearly a TROLL, and took you all for a ride. LOL!

Mod's...PLEASE close this thread!

I hear ya. I think most of us are just having a good laugh.

Actually, based on how the OP works so hard at twisting the premise of the comment he is responding to, I'll bet he is an iboater we all know who has logged under a different screen name just to "punk" us.