Why we're there...

rolmops

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That is not why we are there.
El Qaida came only after we arrived.
Showing the effects of our arrival and then claiming that this is why we are there,is not very smart .
Besides,our presence does not seem to stop them in any way.
This is a poor example of fear mongering and seeing its source,it also is mostly preaching to the choir
 

waterinthefuel

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Yes it is why we are there. We want a democratic Iraq, and people just like that are standing in the way. I don't care if they landed from the moon in 1492 they are in the way of our goal so yea, it's why we're there.

What the hell does the source have to do with it? Does it change what it is, or what it signifies? Sorry your koolaid MSM didn't include it in their "coverage" of the war.

Don't try to twist it.
 

12Footer

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Re: Why we're there...

That is not why we are there.
El Qaida came only after we arrived.
Showing the effects of our arrival and then claiming that this is why we are there,is not very smart .
Besides,our presence does not seem to stop them in any way.
This is a poor example of fear mongering and seeing its source,it also is mostly preaching to the choire
Somebody once (actually many times) made the silly statement that alqueda was never there. Some dinglebums like mike moore STILL believe that... at least, that is what they want us to believe. Wasn't it in moore's last "movie"?
"Bush lied, people died" was murtha's mantra, -- "No WMD's either", huh?

As for stopping them:
Yes, I know you and many others would prefer that we capitulate. "It's too hard".
"We aren't making any progress, so let's throw in the towel".
Let's not.

As for fear mongering:
They dont call em "terrorists" just because they are scarey ugly. See, we did not invent the mongering of fear -- but it sure would be nice to be able to fight fire with fire, by mongering-up a little fear.

NOTHING since the USS Cole instilled me with more fear than seeing the pentagon sporting it's own giant hole in the side. How many more holes, Rolmops?
How many more WTC's?

I want them ALL dead. I could care less what cabinet they crawl under!
If our military was unleashed, alowed to do what military does, there would be no cabinet for those cockroaches to crawl under.
 

ricksrster

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Re: Why we're there...

That is not why we are there.
El Qaida came only after we arrived.
Showing the effects of our arrival and then claiming that this is why we are there,is not very smart .
Besides,our presence does not seem to stop them in any way.
This is a poor example of fear mongering and seeing its source,it also is mostly preaching to the choire

"Showing the effects of our arrival"?
This kidnap and torture is our fault?
WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?
 

Boomyal

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WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU?

He gets his ticket to Heaven punched for opining that America is bad to the bone.:( Seems to be one of the only ways that Liberals can see to fulfull their inner spiritual needs.

As for Haut, he's just confused. I really think he is dyslexic. He's not sure which way to turn.:p
 

bekosh

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That is not why we are there.
El Qaida came only after we arrived.
OK.:rolleyes: So I guess that would explain why Al Zaquari* was in Iraq in June 2002, 8 months before our invasion in March 2003? :rolleyes:
Excuse me if I don't buy into the lies from the left anymore.:mad:


*You remember Al Zaquari? Head Al Queda man in Iraq, and considered at the time to be the No. 2 man in Al Queda.
 

rolmops

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OK.:rolleyes: So I guess that would explain why Al Zaquari* was in Iraq in June 2002, 8 months before our invasion in March 2003? :rolleyes:
Excuse me if I don't buy into the lies from the left anymore.:mad:


*You remember Al Zaquari? Head Al Queda man in Iraq, and considered at the time to be the No. 2 man in Al Queda.

Yes let us refresh our memory a bit.
El Zarqawi was a Jordanian bedouin criminal who fled Jordan because he was wanted for multiple murders that were not religion connected.He fled to Iraq which was right next door to an area that was inhabited by some bedouin from his own tribe.
Shortly after the US invasion he took advantage of the situation and started robbing and murdering for financial gain.
It was only after a while that he claimed to be an El qaida operative. He promoted himself to that title and was not known to have any earlier contacts with El Qaida at any earlier stage.
But why not take some statements of Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney.
They all stated that there was no presence of El Qaida in Irak.

If you want to discuss history,I will be more than happy to oblige and correct you when needed.
 

waterinthefuel

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And with that the defense rests it's case. If Mr. Zarkawi's counsel would approach the bench for a brief moment I, Judge America, would like to kindly hit you in the head with my gavel and say,


STOP DEFENDING THE ENEMIES OF OUR COUNTRY!!!


You can stretch it to say Bin Laden had no ties with Pakistan but he ran there to get away from the US and coalition forces.

C'mon man, stop it.

Quite frankly it doesn't matter if Al Quida was or wasn't in Iraq, they're there now, and we didn't invite them. I don't care if Bin Laden and Saddam hated each other. They had a common goal, to destroy the west. THATS WHAT MATTERS.
 

Haut Medoc

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What's yer point?....
Invaders are fair game.....
Unfortunately that is us.....
I say pull out & let them get on with the business of killing each other.....
The more the merrier, IMHO
Don't get me started on 'Duh'bya & Co.....
They screwed the pooch from the get go.......:mad:
Thankfully we only have to endure another 18 months of that jackass....:rolleyes:
 

Limited-Time

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If our military was unleashed, allowed to do what military does, there would be no cabinet for those cockroaches to crawl under.

Truer words were never spoken, 12footer. After having an in depth conversation with a former Top Gun Instructor who also flew in Desert Storm. It seems the only thing holding US back from taking control in any military theater is us................and our politically handcuffed military leaders.
 

ricksrster

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Shouldn't call the President of the US a jackass. It's disrespectful and rude. not befitting of an American.
 

waterinthefuel

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Well I will apologize, on behalf of the republican party, for going after people that want to kill us.

Last time I checked heinsight was always 20/20.

Screwed the pooch huh? Well, Bush only listened to Algore, Clinton, Pelosi and co, etc etc. I mean with that many liberals saying that man had WMD's, had we not gone in and he would have used them on us you'd be saying the same thing.

You hate Bush no matter what he does. Just like I hate Clinton, and every cum stain and rape accusation that came of him.

Any libs remember that he is a rapist? Why would you gather around a rapist and worship him? At least Bush is trying harder to fukc over terrorism than the women that live nearby.

Don't even get me started on Clinton, Bush's errors don't hold a candle to the crap that clinton jackass did.
 

Haut Medoc

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There ya go again!......:rolleyes:
Saddy was no threat to us....
D- - - y just didn't want him around....
They are building a statue of Bill in Kosovo....
Wonder what they will do for D- - - Y in Irak?....:p
 

Vlad D Impeller

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" Any libs remember that he is a rapist? Why would you gather around a rapist and worship him? At least Bush is trying harder to fukc over terrorism than the women that live nearby."

Accusing a president of the United States of America of being a rapist, based on hearsay and inuendo is indeed most disturbing.
I am a believer that no one is above the law in America, Do you have actual proof of this crime? :(
 

badams270

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Pull them out. Who wants a democratic IRAQ? Not the iraqis'. Why does Bush think he can just roll in there and think he can change a way of life that has been there for practically ever? I served my time in the navy as part of the EOD and I feel for those guys over there now. There is no amount of money I would take to re-enlist. We will never win this type of war. Bush got who he wanted, now we need to get these guys out of there.
 

treedancer

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For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
May 7, 2003
Statement by the Press Secretary on the Geneva Convention
The James S. Brady Briefing Room 1:40 P.M. EST
MR. FLEISCHER: I have an announcement to make. Today President Bush affirms our enduring commitment to the important principles of the Geneva Convention. Consistent with American values and the principles of the Geneva Convention, the United States has treated and will continue to treat all Taliban and al Qaeda detainees in Guantanamo Bay humanely and consistent with the principles of the Geneva Convention.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/05/20030507-18.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

<<In April 2004 reports of the abuse, as well as graphic pictures showing American military personnel in the act of abusing prisoners, came to public attention, when a 60 minutes 11 news report (April 28) and an article by in The New Yorker magazine (posted online on April 30
And published days later in the May 10 issue) reported the story. Janis Karpinski, commander of Abu Ghraib during the time, estimated later that 90% of detainees in the prison were innocent.>>

Waaterinfuel notice the dates on the press release? Here I?ll bring them down .( Statement by the Press Secretary on the Geneva Convention
The James S. Brady Briefing Room )May 07 2003, 1:40 P.M. EST
MR. FLEISCHER: I have an announcement to make. Today President Bush affirms our enduring commitment to the important principles of the Geneva Convention. Consistent with American values and the principles of the Geneva Convention, the United States has treated and will continue to treat all Taliban and al Qaeda detainees in Guantanamo Bay humanely and consistent with the principles of the Geneva Convention.


So what breaks less that a year later, Abu Ghraib. Your wondering why I?m bringing this up I suppose ? One reason is to show what a bunch of hypocrites we have running this country, another is just maybe could be some of the reason that the enemy is using as justification for there torture. Most likely not, but could be in some instances.

You state (?had we left the guys in this document would still be getting tortured, or would be dead?).Well if we hadn?t gone into Iraq on a bunch of lies in the first place they wouldn?t be n the situation to be tortured by the Iraqis would they?Oo..before someone gets a knee jerk, and says Bush never lied ,prove it. Read the dates of the snips again.


Here is another of your statements (We want a democratic Iraq, and people just like that are standing in the way). How about what the Iraqis want? Were in there country ,uninvited, and trying to force Democracy on a country that never ask for it. Is it any wonder that 71 percent of the Iraq?s polled favored our getting the hell out of there country?


An overwhelming majority believes that the U.S. military presence in Iraq is provoking more conflict than it is preventing . If the U.S. made a commitment to withdraw, a majority believes that this would strengthen the Iraqi government
.
I will leave you with this quote, from your post(Treehugger and Haut want us to leave).Won t attempt to speak for Haut, he is more than capable to speak for himself, I have stated many times on this forum we have to finish what we started. We came in there like bunch of understaffed Rambos, proclaiming that we will bring Democracy too these people, led by a ship of fools, and broke there country .I?m a firm believer in the words of General Colin Powell, when he said s we broke it we have to fix it, don?t mean I have too get lockstep with the fools, will try my best to get rid of every trace of them in the coming elections. They are a scourge on this great country, they go around proclaiming what great patriots they are, while trying to undermine the constitution, saying it is just a piece of paper.
 

12Footer

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Shouldn't call the President of the US a jackass. It's disrespectful and rude. not befitting of an American.
I have a genuine, new resect for you, Rick.
He,as with all 43 others, has his human faults. But he is doing what he thinks is in America's best interest.
 
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