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You can still use a Windows XP machine. Just don't use it for browsing or email! :)
 

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I am still using my XP machines for browsing and email with no problems, but I have a Cisco Hardwall set up between them and the internet.
 

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I am still using my XP machines for browsing and email with no problems, but I have a Cisco Hardwall set up between them and the internet.
The average user won't have any problems yet either as they just had the security updates...hopefully!

I am actually surprised you are still using it. Why?
 

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The average user won't have any problems yet either as they just had the security updates...hopefully!

I am actually surprised you are still using it. Why?

Because on these particular computers, they didn't update the drivers for the video card, I have tried to install windows 7 and they end up becoming very unstable, basically what I am using them for is my CCNA classes and they work quite well for that particular task.

I am picking up a Dell PowerEdge blade server on Saturday, which will probably become the computer I use for the classes and then I will figure out what to do with these.
 

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Because on these particular computers, they didn't update the drivers for the video card, I have tried to install windows 7 and they end up becoming very unstable, basically what I am using them for is my CCNA classes and they work quite well for that particular task.
Makes sense.

My GF has an older computer with XP and bit the bullet and bought a laptop with Windows 8.1. She has no problem using it.
 

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I have been running a windows 8 computer for over a year and a 1/2 now, so I have no problems with it, except what I do, sometimes it becomes very unstable.
 

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Because on these particular computers, they didn't update the drivers for the video card, I have tried to install windows 7 and they end up becoming very unstable, basically what I am using them for is my CCNA classes and they work quite well for that particular task.
This is where Linux really "shines".......All the old hardware drivers are pretty much covered at the Kernel level.

Nowadays, pretty much all the hardware "just works" where a LOT of the older hardware was left behind in Win7 and 8.

That should be pretty obvious. "they" want you to buy a new computer, not just buy the new operating system. I'm not against that by no stretch of the imagination.

But you need to know that part of forcing you into a new and improved operating system (Windows & MAC) must include forcing you to buy new hardware.....
 

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This is where Linux really "shines".......All the old hardware drivers are pretty much covered at the Kernel level.

Nowadays, pretty much all the hardware "just works" where a LOT of the older hardware was left behind in Win7 and 8.

That should be pretty obvious. "they" want you to buy a new computer, not just buy the new operating system. I'm not against that by no stretch of the imagination.

But you need to know that part of forcing you into a new and improved operating system (Windows & MAC) must include forcing you to buy new hardware.....
can you direct me to a list of Linux comparable printers?
 

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can you direct me to a list of Linux comparable printers?

That is pretty much the last thing I would worry about in terms of it working. CUPS will work with pretty any printer (its maintained by Apple). If you have a printer in mind go to the support section of the manafactures website and look for a Linux driver. If you are using Ubuntu it will figure it out for you.
 

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ok...installed ubuntu......it asks for username and password.....do that....and its like a dos screen waiting for some unknown command?
 

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I Just Fixed My Windows XP! Maybe this will help,

Go to Start, Settings, Control panel
In Control Panel click on System
In System go to Advanced, then Performance, then Settings
In settings select "Adjust for best performance" then Apply

Next get a free program called CCleaner
That program does a nice job of cleaning things up but also in CCleaner go to Tools, then Startup
Click on the tab for the browser you use and then disable everything you dont need running at startup

Last, hit Ctrl/Alt Delete to open Task Manager, Click on Performance
With no other programs running your CPU usage should be 0 to 2%
and your PF usage should be under 150 (at least mine is!)

I love XP again.
 

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Also, for every program you have you can tell it not to check for updates. If you need an update the program will let you know when it's needed without having your computer use the first half hour after you start it mindlessly searching for updates for all your programs. Before I made my fixes my computer was unusable for almost an hour after first starting it.

Oh, and for God's sake, don't use Googles Chrome browser. If you are stop. Stop right now, delete it and use Mozilla Firefox.
 
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I Just Fixed My Windows XP! Maybe this will help,

Go to Start, Settings, Control panel
In Control Panel click on System
In System go to Advanced, then Performance, then Settings
In settings select "Adjust for best performance" then Apply

Next get a free program called CCleaner
That program does a nice job of cleaning things up but also in CCleaner go to Tools, then Startup
Click on the tab for the browser you use and then disable everything you dont need running at startup

Last, hit Ctrl/Alt Delete to open Task Manager, Click on Performance
With no other programs running your CPU usage should be 0 to 2%
and your PF usage should be under 150 (at least mine is!)

I love XP again.

CCleaner does NOTHING to mitigate the security risks that are inevitable for those continuing to use XP.

All the above things you're suggesting will do nothing for security.


Hackers KNOWING that millions world wide will continue to use XP will "double-down" on them in the months to come.


USCERT said the following at---> Microsoft Ending Support for Windows XP and Office 2003 | US-CERT

Systems Affected


  • Microsoft Windows XP with Service Pack 3 (SP3) Operating System
  • Microsoft Office 2003 Products



Overview

Microsoft is ending support for the Windows XP operating system and Office 2003 product line on April 8, 2014. [1] After this date, these products will no longer receive:

  • Security patches which help protect PCs from harmful viruses, spyware, and other malicious software
  • Assisted technical support from Microsoft
  • Software and content updates



Description

All software products have a lifecycle. End of support refers to the date when Microsoft no longer provides automatic fixes, updates, or online technical assistance. [2] As of February 2014, nearly 30 percent of Internet-connected PCs still run Windows XP. [3]
Microsoft will send ?End of Support? notifications to users of Windows XP who have elected to receive updates via Windows Update. Users in organizations using Windows Server Update Services (WSUS), System Center Configuration manager, or Windows Intune will not receive the notification. [4]



Impact

Computer systems running unsupported software are exposed to an elevated risk to cybersecurity dangers, such as malicious attacks or electronic data loss.
Users may also encounter problems with software and hardware compatibility since new software applications and hardware devices may not be built for Windows XP or Office 2003.
Organizations that are governed by regulatory obligations may find they are no longer able to satisfy compliance requirements. [4]


That pretty much says it.

Part of the security problems are from MS Internet Explorer.


Solution

Computers operating Windows XP with SP3 or running Office 2003 products will continue to work after support ends. However, using unsupported software may increase the risk of viruses and other security threats.
Users have the option to upgrade to a currently supported operating system or office productivity suite. The Microsoft ?End of Support? pages for Windows XP and Office 2003 offer additional details.
There are software vendors and service providers in the marketplace who offer assistance in migrating from Windows XP or Office 2003 to a currently supported operating system or office productivity suite. US-CERT does not endorse or support any particular product or vendor.
Users who choose to continue using Windows XP after the end of support may mitigate some risks by using a web browser other than Internet Explorer. The Windows XP versions of some alternative browsers will continue to receive support temporarily. Users should consult the support pages of their chosen alternative browser for more details.


Not only would I NOT use XP any more, but I would suggest anyone using it either upgrade to a newer version of Winblows like Vista, 7 or 8.


If the computer doesn't have the 'horsepower' or the driver support for the newer Windows versions, switch to your favorite Linux!


Regards,


Rick
 

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Then this won't sound good to you,

I have disabled or uninstalled all my firewalls,anti-virus and the like. They were a big part of the problem.

5 months now and no problems. But, I only go to trusted sites and never open email I'm not sure of.

From time to time I turn my virus program back on, update it and scan and it finds nothing.

All my important stuff is backed up and if worse comes to worse I can always get a new computer if need be.

And like you posted,

""Users who choose to continue using Windows XP after the end of support may mitigate some risks by using a web browser other than Internet Explorer. The Windows XP versions of some alternative browsers will continue to receive support temporarily. Users should consult the support pages of their chosen alternative browser for more details.""
 
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HT32BSX115

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Then this won't sound good to you,
Yup. It doesn't

I have disabled or uninstalled all my firewalls,anti-virus and the like. They were a big part of the problem.
If you're behind a router, you really don't need an operating system firewall. If you have one, it can close outgoing ports that would otherwise be opened via software. Now your favorite virus can open those ports for you . (you'll never know however)


5 months now and no problems. But, I only go to trusted sites and never open email I'm not sure of.
A LOT of "problems" don't manifest themselves in anything you can see. But go ahead and "Roll the dice"!
EMAIL is virus scanned nowadays by email providers. Admittedly, The chances of getting an email virus is MUCH less than it was years ago.


From time to time I turn my virus program back on, update it and scan and it finds nothing.
There are virus's that will modify your virus checking problem such that the virus becomes invisible to them. So if you're not going to leave it running so it can update when needed, you might as well just delete it. Also, if you get a ROOTKIT, your virus scanner may not detect it at all.




""Users who choose to continue using Windows XP after the end of support may mitigate some risks by using a web browser other than Internet Explorer. The Windows XP versions of some alternative browsers will continue to receive support temporarily. Users should consult the support pages of their chosen alternative browser for more details.""
Some risks. Only those risks related to the use of I.E. but remember, you cannot remove I.E from Windows. It's integrated into the operating system.

So. Just roll the dice. (I'm glad my email address in NOT in your contact list!)


Good luck to you!


Rick
 

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Rick,

You can remove IE, none of my XP computer has IE on them and have not since the day that XP was installed. If you do a google search, there are lots of various ways to get rid of IE. If you type in removing internet explorer, the first three hits are actually Microsoft websites, although the methods I have used are not based on their website, I actually removed it from the operating system as well as the registry.

Also if you know how to set up your email you will not get a virus or malware, none of my email programs allow any program to execute, I do not allow emails in html format, I only display text emails that way if there is an attachment, I can delete it. I have never ran any virus software on my computers.

If you know how to go about it, there are lots of little tricks and tweeks you can do to windows computers to keep them safe, but I do agree, unless you are comfortable "under the hood" in windows, it would be best to upgrade so you can continue to update security and programs.

Unlike some, I don't believe there will be a massive attack on normal users out there, yes, they will go after the financial stuff, but they continue to do that to win7 and win8.
 
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Rick,

You can remove IE, none of my XP computer has IE on them and have not since the day that XP was installed. If you do a google search, there are lots of various ways to get rid of IE. If you type in removing internet explorer, the first three hits are actually Microsoft websites, although the methods I have used are not based on their website, I actually removed it from the operating system as well as the registry.

Also if you know how to set up your email you will not get a virus or malware, none of my email programs allow any program to execute, I do not allow emails in html format, I only display text emails that way if there is an attachment, I can delete it. I have never ran any virus software on my computers.

If you know how to go about it, there are lots of little tricks and tweeks you can do to windows computers to keep them safe, but I do agree, unless you are comfortable "under the hood" in windows, it would be best to upgrade so you can continue to update security and programs.

Unlike some, I don't believe there will be a massive attack on normal users out there, yes, they will go after the financial stuff, but they continue to do that to win7 and win8.

Yeah I did search for I.E removal..........and I have always read that although you could make it so a user cannot launch it and could remove it as the default browser, You "shouldn't" and couldn?t remove it without screwing something else up since so many other MS and NON-MS programs depend on common libraries.


The following is from Mozillazine.org
Remove Internet Explorer from Windows

Although uninstalling Internet Explorer from Windows is possible, you are strongly advised not to remove IE, for a number of reasons [4]:

  1. Many web sites are programmed to work only with Internet Explorer. For example, webmasters authoring a site may have not tested with other web browsers. The majority of websites on the Internet should work with Mozilla browsers, but there are some sites that appear distorted or inaccessible unless IE is used as a browser.
  2. Windows Update requires Internet Explorer. As an alternative, you may be able to manually download security updates, but it will require more monitoring and work than letting Windows Update handle this for you.
  3. Some applications depend on libraries installed by Internet Explorer. These applications may no longer work or they may behave unexpectedly if IE is removed.
  4. Some anti-virus products require IE for updates. Live updates or automatic DAT updates used by both Norton and McAfee are built on Internet Explorer's foundation. You may be able to manually update your virus signature files but it could require more work.
  5. Both removing and restoring IE is risky and difficult. IE is complex with extensive hooks built into Windows, for efficiency and functionality. Thus unplugging it from your system may impact Internet connectivity, Windows functionality, and break functionality in Microsoft Office and non-MS products.
  6. IE is more than a browser, it is the foundation for Internet functionality in Windows.
If




Thanks for the correction! Let me REPHRASE....... One shouldn't completely remove I.E.

I must say, quite frankly, I don't fully understand why anyone would want to keep using an operating system that will become so crippled in the next several months.

I am sure it's probably "ok" for now. and maybe for a few months but IMHO it will become very bad as the hackers (who know there are some, shall we say "trusting souls" , "holding on") start finding all sorts of ways to exploit them.

Hackers (and crackers) aren't always wanting to get into the financials. There are some that make a fair amount of money by doing "distributed computing" to generate SPAM emails all over the internet. Old, Xp computers will be perfect for this. ESPECIALLY if they're not updated.

The virus, trojan, and malware creators don't "sleep", and companies like AVG, MS, Symantec, McAfee etc are always ahead of them but not by much!! Another reason I switched to Linux more than more than 15 years ago
 

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The old story that many websites are only programed for IE is just that, every since FF came a few years ago, and especially with the advent of android and smart phones and tablets, rarely will you find a website that is only IE friendly these days.

I use XP on a couple of machines, because much of the stuff I do, won't work in win7 or win8, as far as linux, I have a machine that runs linux and use it quite a bit, but it is for development purposes, many of the programs for linux are not really as user friendly as many of the windows programs, such as professional level photography processing, my wife runs a internet company with close to 400 websites how designed and hosted, in addition she does ad layout and magazine layout and design. Linux won't cut it for her, she however runs win7. It is funny, I have heard this, watch out, someone is going to get you every single time MS stopped supporting an OS. Running unix servers with apache for over 16 years now has taught me a lot and I learned a lot when I was younger doing development work for Symantec and Intel, I grew up a few miles from both those companies in the late 70's before I went off to the service. I was essentially a hacker back in those days and they found me! LOL! When I was in the service, I worked a lot in PC development with the major companies, because we used them in strategy planning for quite a few different things, as an Officer I was privy to quite a bit of stuff.

Since I retired, guess what I have been doing? Day in and Day out, I play with computers, currently I have 8 computers set up in addition to a 10 piece Cisco rack, with 5 switches and 5 routers and just ordered a New Dell Poweredge server yesterday. All of our computers are set up behind a Cisco hardwall Firewall system, in addition to Softwall firewalls running on all computers. I have no problem writing a driver for XP, it is pretty basic stuff.

But as I said, most people are not involved at the level I am and would be better off upgrading to a current OS, that gets updates regularly.

To each his own I say, but I believe the fear over the stopping support for XP is a bit overblown, XP is a very stable system, with lots of information as well as lots of safe programs out there. Basically the internet was built on XP and has grown to the point it is because of XP, sorry to see them stop supporting it, but understand their reason, we have a lot better hardware tech available now, than when it came out. XP is not going to go unstable because people are not writing software anymore, but if you are planning to upgrade your hardware, it is time to upgrade your OS.

Again, I have been through this since the day that the first MS operating system was introduced and I was working with DOS long before that, both Tandy DOS as well as IBM DOS. Did a lot of line by line programming in BASIC as well on an old Atari and Commodore VIC 16.

Anyway, just be careful out there and pay attention and you will be ok.

Nice conversation to say the least. Here is a shot of my rack:

ciscolab.jpg
 
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XP is not going to go unstable because people are not writing software anymore, but if you are planning to upgrade your hardware, it is time to upgrade your OS.

Again, I have been through this since the day that the first MS operating system was introduced and I was working with DOS long before that, both Tandy DOS as well as IBM DOS. Did a lot of line by line programming in BASIC as well on an old Atari and Commodore VIC 16.

Anyway, just be careful out there and pay attention and you will be ok.

Nice conversation to say the least.

Yeah. My first computer was a Tandy 1000!! VERY high tech!
 
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