W's Responsibilities??

QC

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CJY,

It is a troll because you don't care about the answer. You just want a slugfest.

With that said, I'll bite just a little.

For example, it is Bush's responsibility to act on intelligence reports to protect this country. He did. It is not, however, his responsibility to collect the data that is in those reports, he must rely on others. Ultimately he will be held responsible for acting with the info he had. Sooooooo: my point is that the really tired "Bush lied, people died" is misleading and false. However, he is, and acknowledges, responsible for the decision to take pre-emptive action with Iraq because of a strongly held belief (almost unanimous internationally and domestically) that there was a real threat of WMD. And with the threat that terrorism is to all of our safety on this planet, the risk of a madman allowing some other madmen to use that WMD was too high to ignore.

What you and your compatriots do is react with the benefit of hindsight. What the flyin' flip good is that? Did you see any of the playoff games last night? I am pretty sure that you could make better decisions on some of the key plays now that you have seen the outcome of the decisions made. Again, what good is that? People in positions of responsibility are paid to make decisions before the outcome is understood. That is what he is responsible for . . .

So shut the flip up and post something that is not simply to point out that you wish that someone else was making those decisions, which is entirely your desire.
 

kenimpzoom

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It is a troll because you know the answer.

You merely started the topic just to "stir the pot'.

Failure is in the eye of the beholder, or the sheeple. Many people want perfection and anything less than perfect is a failure. This is just not realistic.

I'd give him a B on most everything (economy, war or terror, etc) except a whopping F on border security.

Ken
 

CJY

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Amazing how you all know my motives.

I absolutely care about the answer. Yes, I do know the answer for myself, but your answers and my answers never agree. Therefore, I want to know your answers. I'm tired of being told it is not W's responsibility, with zero explanation of what is. All you say is we are wrong, but never why. I am trying to find out the "why." It's that simple. I also know it is impossible to completely answer this question without also implicating W in some failures. My guess is this is where your frustration is coming.

QC, I would expect so much more besides "shut the flip up." To be honest, I really thought you were above that. I guess I was wrong. However, when pushed into a corner, I guess we must do as necessary to save face.

Shut up? Yea, I probably won't listen. I think those two words says so much more than anything else in this entire thread.

Firestar,

It's simple. I want to know where and how we differ on W's responsibilities. Hence, the original question, "what are they."

Amazing how such a simple question becomes so difficult when you don't want to answer it.
 

Haut Medoc

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My my, QC....
Aren't we being a little "flippant"?:$d:)
 

QC

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Ya know CJY . . . You and I are both not playing fair. On that other stupid thread you claim that you never implicated Bush concerning the crime in DC. Yet is clear that you directly did. I, on the other hand resorted to a childish "shut the flip up" as I am tired of the same ole, same ole. However, I do not feel that I have been pushed into a corner, and thought I gave you an example of my understanding of his responsibilities AND my contempt for the tactics of your brethren in Washington regarding responsibility. This is almost a direct quote of Feinstein although I do not have the tape to listen to, "If I knew what I know now, I would not have voted to enter Iraq". This is what I was referring to above. Silly, useless, without any merit whatsoever.

Sooooooo, to get back on track again. He is responsible to the same level all Presidents are. You know to what level that is. The fact is that he has been directly blamed by some for Katrina, by many for increased fuel prices, by some for terror in Spain, Bali and England, by you for crime in DC. We (supporters of our country and our president, and you too) know this is all ludicrous and false. My frustrated reaction is to the really tired blame game, not a lack of the ability to explain responsibility, cause and effect etc. Again, you know this, and I am not ashamed to remind you.
 

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Bob said:
Bush is responsible in much the same way a ship's captain is responsible for all that occurs onboard.
I would not want the job but I kinda like and respect him he is fun to boat with.
4hsrtyg.jpg
 

Firestar

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CJY said:
Amazing how you all know my motives.


Firestar,

It's simple. I want to know where and how we differ on W's responsibilities. Hence, the original question, "what are they."

Amazing how such a simple question becomes so difficult when you don't want to answer it.

Can you possibly pick one of the responsibilities you would like to debate? You are to general and broad in your question. Unless you really don't remember your civics class lessons and all you are looking for is a refresh.
 

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MRS said:
Bob said:
Bush is responsible in much the same way a ship's captain is responsible for all that occurs onboard.
I would not want the job but I kinda like and respect him he is fun to boat with.
4hsrtyg.jpg

8)8)
 

CJY

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QC, regarding the other thread, you may believe as you wish. My only intended finger pointing was in regards to the amount he has done to make it a better place.

I too, am tired of the same ole, same ole. Nothing is his fault, that is.
 

CJY

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Firestar,

Yea, I would not stick my neck out again if I were you either.
 

Firestar

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CJY said:
Firestar,

Yea, I would not stick my neck out again if I were you either.

Great answer there. I didn't realize that was a presidential responsibility. I'm flattered.
 

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CJY said:
Many remove W from responsibility of anything when they go wrong. Does he have any responsibility to this country, if so, just what are they?

Here's what he swore to do:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

How he determines the best course of action is open to debate. Is that the real question here??
 

Haut Medoc

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From my viewpoint, he is doing his best to gut the constitution.......JK
 

QC

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Please describe how Haut. Clearly with examples would be appreciated.
 

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CJY said:
Many remove W from responsibility of anything when they go wrong. Does he have any responsibility to this country, if so, just what are they?


Presidential duties Courtsey of Ben's guide to government (for kids).
 

Haut Medoc

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QC, Illegal surveillance......
I ain't gonna revisit that one....;) Mr.K
 

QC

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Haut,

Well now I am experiencing CJY's frustration, I guess I deserve that :^ No one wants to revisit (or discuss) specifics. I'll help you . . . Not illegal.

BTW, I am comfortable with you thinking it is and me thinking it isn't. Regardless, it is hardly "gutting the Constitution" . . .
 

Haut Medoc

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OK, QC....
Maybe I exaggerated a teensy bit :$
 
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