W's Responsibilities??

[QC]

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While I screw this up a lot, agreement is not really that important. Clarity is. So from the standpoint of clarity, Haut believes that what has been commonly referred to as wiretapping, is a potential threat to our constitutional freedoms and I believe that it is a necessary tactic to keep us safe, in fact I hope they are expanded, but include some sort of congressional oversight . . .

I'll add a specific "responsibility" of the Presidency that W has done a particularly good job with. Supreme Court Appointments. I am sure that someone will mention the embarrassment over the nomination of Harriet Miers, but like the constitution issue and other checks and balances they are indeed intact, and worked. Those who have been confirmed are rock solid, AND I don't believe swayed by politics in their ability to rule.

 

[Firestar]

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Liberals......God help us......if this is how the rest of them carry on a debate. Generalities, none specific attacks, complain without solutions. Throw whatever to cloud whatever. Yada..yada yada. No wonder nothing gets accomplished. Have to thank them for one thing.....most if not all opposing positions are justified. If you can decipher just what their position is.......cough.

 

[PW2]

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It clearly is not just the president that is in a state of denial. It seems to be the entire right wing of the political spectrum is in it.

Even Hastert is getting into the act, blaming all of the fallout of this Foley mess, and the coverup, on the vast left wing conspiracy! LOL!

How can anyone possibly debate with that?

 

[crunch]

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It clearly is not just the president that is in a state of denial. It seems to be the entire right wing of the political spectrum is in it.

Even Hastert is getting into the act, blaming all of the fallout of this Foley mess, and the coverup, on the vast left wing conspiracy! LOL!

How can anyone possibly debate with that?

What coverup?.... and what crime took place?

 

[treedancer]

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1=Chief executive of the fiscal and domestic policies of the United States. {Record debt}

2=
Head of state and therefore the nation's chief diplomat. {Rampant anti-Americanism}

3= Commander in chief of the nation's military forces. {Quagmire}

4=Responsibility for the treatment of prisoners of war. After all he is the {CIC}.
{The signing statement is saying 'I will only comply with this law when I want to, and if something arises in the war on terrorism where I think it's important to torture or engage in cruel, inhuman, and degrading conduct, I have the authority to do so and nothing in this law is going to stop me,}

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/01/04/bush_could_bypass_new_torture_ban/

5=Domestic spying Article II "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Section 2 of Article II The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States." [That's all. Grant him the Air Force and the Marines on top of that. But no one, and nothing, else is under his military command.]

He was elected president, not king.

 

[crunch]

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1=Chief executive of the fiscal and domestic policies of the United States. {Record debt} Nothing new about that, for the last 40 years.

2=
Head of state and therefore the nation's chief diplomat. {Rampant anti-Americanism} is that a C&P? where have you been? Nothing new about that, for the last 40 years.

3= Commander in chief of the nation's military forces. {Quagmire} Are you old enough to remember Viet Nam, ever hear of the Korean war, WWII, WWI.... it's not the "fog of war", should be the mud of war.

4=Responsibility for the treatment of prisoners of war. After all he is the {CIC}.
{The signing statement is saying 'I will only comply with this law when I want to, and if something arises in the war on terrorism where I think it's important to torture or engage in cruel, inhuman, and degrading conduct, I have the authority to do so and nothing in this law is going to stop me,} Let me guess, this offends your delicate sensibilities? you don't mind them killing thousands at a time (9/11), car bombs, roadside bombs, bicycle bombs, truck bombs...... pretty damned indiscriminate about their killing, but you want them to be treated with kindness?

5=Domestic spying Article II "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. Hmmmmmm, has he been reading your mail? Tapped your phone? Peaked in your bedroom?.... you got something to hide? What makes you think you are important enough that this will affect you?

Section 2 of Article II The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States." [That's all. Grant him the Air Force and the Marines on top of that. But no one, and nothing, else is under his military command.]

He was elected president, not king.


And this is where the

comes in handy.

 

[treedancer]

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And yet another Pee-Wee Herman comment from custombycrunch.8)

 

[crunch]

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And yet another Pee-Wee Herman comment from custombycrunch.8)

I take it that you concede and won't bother us with your "it's all W's fault" whining anymore?

 

[treedancer]

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I take it that you concede and won't bother us with your "it's all W's fault" whining anymore?

Of course that is a joke, isnt it?

 

[crunch]

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Nope, I answered all of your points, you give me Pee wee... put up or shut up.

I'd prefer you shut up as I know you'll just rant on, but if you'd like to try for a rational discussion, just try answering back to the points I made... simple as pie.

 

[Skinnywater]

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It clearly is not just the president that is in a state of denial. It seems to be the entire right wing of the political spectrum is in it.

There is a huge difference between a Republican and the "right wing".
As someone who appreciates conservative politics I completely understand and agree with many on the left who see the President as incompetent.
What I don't understand is why the left could possibly see either of the past two presidential contenders running against Bush as less competent.

There is a huge difference in losing a war because of incompetence and one that is lost because it is desired and hoped for.
The genuine desire for this country to fail for political advantage is a well deserved platform the Democratic party has nurtured.
A sincere example of the 'denial' of the left.

The topic starter asked;

Many remove W from responsibility of anything when they go wrong. Does he have any responsibility to this country, if so, just what are they?

Any man has the responsibility to do the best he can, period, whether he is a President or not.
Nobody has the responsibility or moral authority to ruin a country just because you don't like the person that was voted in by the people.

 

[PW2]

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Skinny,

He has a fundamental responsibility to be honest with the people.

Who knows exactly why we got into this war, but it wasn't the reasons given. There was no imminent threat (even if you accept the notion they had WMD's which is a stretch) There was no connection with 9/11 even as they continue to use 9-11 as an excuse. There was never a nuclear threat, and they knew it.

They painted a rosy picture pre war, and they have refused to inform of the extreme difficulty. Perhaps they refuse to acknowledge it themselves.

They constantly blamed the media for not reporting the good news, until so many generals confirmed how bad it is over in Iraq.

There is no plan for success in Iraq, other than some vague hope that it all turns out well if we "stay the course".

And finally, the purposeful misstating of the opponent(democratic) positions in order to criticize them. It may be ok for Rush to do that, but not "The great uniter" that he claims to be.

Skinny, I have no idea whether it would have been better under Kerry or not, and we'll never know now.
I can't even imagine how it could be worse than it is now, however, and some new president is going to have to try and fix this mess 2 years from now.

Wish them luck, they are going to need it!

 

[12Footer]

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1=Chief executive of the fiscal and domestic policies of the United States. {Record debt}

2=
Head of state and therefore the nation's chief diplomat. {Rampant anti-Americanism}

3= Commander in chief of the nation's military forces. {Quagmire}

4=Responsibility for the treatment of prisoners of war. After all he is the {CIC}.
{The signing statement is saying 'I will only comply with this law when I want to, and if something arises in the war on terrorism where I think it's important to torture or engage in cruel, inhuman, and degrading conduct, I have the authority to do so and nothing in this law is going to stop me,}

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/01/04/bush_could_bypass_new_torture_ban/

5=Domestic spying Article II "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of the President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Section 2 of Article II The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into actual Service of the United States." [That's all. Grant him the Air Force and the Marines on top of that. But no one, and nothing, else is under his military command.]

He was elected president, not king.

National Security Powers:

Serves as the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. He can authorize the use of troops overseas without declaring war. To declare war officially, though, he must get the approval of the Congress.
Makes treaties with other nations; however, the Senate must approve any treaty before it becomes official.
Nominates ambassadors, with the agreement of a majority of the Senate.
Receives ambassadors of other nations, thereby recognizing those lands as official countries.
Legislative Powers:

Presents information on the state of the union to Congress.
Recommends legislation to Congress. Despite all of his power, the President cannot write bills. He can propose a bill, but a member of Congress must submit it for him.
Convenes both houses of Congress in special sessions.
Approves laws passed by Congress.
Administrative Powers:

"Take care that the laws be faithfully executed" -- Article II, Section 3
Appoints the heads of each Executive Branch department as Chief of the Government. He also appoints ambassadors, Supreme Court Justices, and other officials, with the agreement of the majority of the Senate.
Requests written opinions of administrative officials.
Fills administrative vacancies during congressional recesses.
Judicial Powers:

Grants reprieves and pardons for Federal crimes (except impeachment).
Appoints Federal judges, with the agreement of the majority of the Senate.
The President's Lawmaking Role

The President plays a large role in making America's laws. His job is to approve the laws that Congress creates. When both chambers have approved a bill, they send it to the President. If he agrees with the law, he signs it and the law goes into effect.

If the President does not like a bill, he can veto it. There are two ways that he can veto a bill. First, the President can send the bill back to Congress unsigned. In most cases, he will also send a list of reasons he does not like the bill. Second, the President can "pocket" the bill. After ten days, one of two things happens: 1) if Congress is in session, the bill becomes a law anyway 2) if Congress has adjourned, the bill does not become law and the President has used a "pocket veto".

When the President vetoes a bill, it will most likely never become a law. Congress can override a veto, but to do so two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate must vote against the President.

Despite all of his power, the President cannot write bills. He can propose a bill, but a member of Congress must submit it for him.

Presidential Qualifications and Term Limit

Because he has so much responsibility, the President, along with the Vice-President, is the only official elected by the entire country. Not just anyone can be President, though. In order to be elected, one must be at least 35 years old. Also, each candidate must be a natural-born U.S. citizen and have lived in the U.S. for at least 14 years. When elected, the President serves a term of four years. The most one President can serve is two terms, for a total of eight years.

Before 1951, the President could serve for as many terms as he wanted. After two terms as President, George Washington chose not to run again. All other Presidents followed his example until Franklin D. Roosevelt successfully ran for office four times. He, however, did not complete his fourth term of office because he died in 1945. Six years later, Congress passed the 22nd Amendment, which limits Presidents to two terms.

 

[Kwas]

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Quote from PW2

Who knows exactly why we got into this war, but it wasn't the reasons given. There was no imminent threat (even if you accept the notion they had WMD's which is a stretch) There was no connection with 9/11 even as they continue to use 9-11 as an excuse. There was never a nuclear threat, and they knew it.

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The same old blah, blah, blah. You talk about the President being honest with the people, when are you going to start being honest with the people here PW2?

You don't know what the reason was but you know what it wasn't, now that's a real cop-out. You tell the old lie that the president said that Iraq was an "imminent threat". Why don't don't you post that quote verbatem from a reliable source that you got it from. (not some left wing wacko blog). The president NEVER said that. The whole world including the Democrats stated that Iraq had WMDs, and that was BEFORE George Bush was elected president in 2000. Who is the "they" that knew that there never was a nuclear threat? Most of the Democrats stated that many times over that there WAS a threat from Iraq, and that again was BEFORE 2000.

Now why don't you tell me about being honest again?

 

[PW2]

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Ok, Let's be honest. You are suggesting that Iraq was not an imminent threat? I can look up the reference if you wish, but tell me please if Iraq was not a threat, nor had anything to do with 9-11, pray tell why did we invade them?

And no the reference is not a "Liberal blog" I don't visit either liberal nor conservative blogs.

 

[woodrat]

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Custombycrunch:

You think the little BS flag answers all of his points?! How? It's more like plugging your ears and going "lalalalalalalala" really loud.

As far as answering the "points" you made, you've made none that I can find in this thread.

This: "What coverup?.... and what crime took place?"

is the only other post you made here that might be construed as points needing answering. And the post you were replying to didn't allege crime or coverup.

I'm sure you would prefer that anyone who challenges or even questions your worldview would shut up. It's a pretty common reaction amongst extremists of all stripes. However, that's not the way things are supposed to work in this country. If you are that offended by what some else is saying, maybe you just just not read the thread, huh?

 

[woodrat]

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Numerous officials of this administration made the assertion that Iraq was an imminent threat. If I wasn't running out the door to go to work right now, I would find citations for you, but I'm sure that wouldn't change anything about this thread.

It seems that the president's supporters here can find no fault whatsoever with anything the president has ever said or done, and think that any questioning of the president's competence is a direct attack on America itself and anyone who would criticize or question this administration is an "america-hater". Funny how they never seemed to think that when Clinton or any other democrat was in office.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Well said, Woodrat & Treedancer.....JK

 

[Kwas]

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Quote PW2:

Ok, Let's be honest. You are suggesting that Iraq was not an imminent threat?

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No, you are saying that. I didn't say one way or another that is was or it wasn't. What I am saying that any reference to the president saying that is a lie that you left wingers having been throwing around for the last 3+ years. While you are looking for that quote from the president find and show us where the president said that Iraq was seeking yellow cake from Nigar, you won't find that one either. 8)

 

[Limited-Time]

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It's get'n ugly here!!