1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

I posted the link to it in my last reply.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Will, I did pull the soft plugs & ckeck the idling holes, but I honestly didn't think to run a strand of wire through em. I may try that if I'm forced to.
The fuel pump rebuild kit for these motors is a nightmare! Very tedious! The real problem with em, though, is that the instructions state to reassemble the parts "the way they were on your motor". Therefore if I screwed that up I now have no correct pattern from which to work. I really don't think thats it though.
The timing plate really does seem to be well mounted. I can't move it whatsoever by hand & all 5 screws are well seated. I'm wonderin now if the old woodruff key is mated well to the new crankshaft. Can I see this problem with a timing light? It seems to only have one set of timing marks on the armature plate (for #1 cyl.) see pic #295. I'm not even sure they're the correct ones. They appear quite different from the illustration in the manual, but thats where the marks fall & I know the points are set correctly. I also just noticed a bit of scorching on the tapered area of the new crankshaft. see pic #236. I'm sure that's a bad sign. your thoughts are...
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Scanman, I don't see a choke knob on your last video and I didn't see you opening up the choke butterfly after you got it started. With my 9.9Hp I need to choke it to cold start and then slowly put it in and sometimes pull it back out a little to keep it running and then push it in all the way. After a couple of short choke plays, she runs great all day and I never need to choke it again.

If I don't it will stall just like yours.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Sorry, I watched it again and noticed that you choked it by hand but then you shut it pretty quick and didn't touch it again. My motor would die on me just like yours if I did that. Try choking it about half way when she starts to die and then unchoke it when she starts to die again, etc. I sometimes have to do this one or two times on cold start and then she runs forever.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

OptsyEagle, I choked it by hand the first time (cold), & after that it hasn't been neccessary. It will start easily, just won't keep runnin.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Like OPtsy , I also have to set choke about halfway on my '78 after it starts for a few seconds until RPMs climb and then push choke in all the way and I'm good.
 

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Timing is pretty static, if you have the points set to .020 and the key is in place and tight there won't be any fluctuation in timing. The only known issue was the mag plate. Just for fun, pull a spark plug and get the top piston to TDC and look at where the points are, set to .020 on the high part of the cam then try the same with the bottom. Looking back this is the same motor you had ignition issues with before, snapping under the flywheel. You said it ran great for 5 hrs or so and now this, you may have got some crap in your carb since running it however you've had it off and found nothing.


Could this all be a choke issue as everyone else is saying?
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

If the float bowl was filled at the start of your film, I doubt that the fuel pump is the problem. You should not have emptied the bowl that quickly. Look elsewhere, probably high speed jet.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

From leeroy:

In setting these points, advance the twist grip throttle to FAST as far as it will go. The #1 piston should be at Top Dead Center. This can be verified by pulling #1 (TOP) spark plug & by using a flashlight, rotate the crankshaft clockwise until you can see the piston come up, go slowly & backtrack just after it starts down. The word TOP on the timing cam should be at or near the location of the points rub bar. I have seen some not quite there & nearer the SET position. You can not do much about this however. Without changing the twist grip location, move the crankshaft to the SET position. Set the #1 points (on the RH side of the motor) with a feeler gage at .020, rotate the crankshaft 180 degrees & again with the rub bar at SET, repeat the setting for #2 piston.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

OptsyEagle, I choked it by hand the first time (cold), & after that it hasn't been neccessary. It will start easily, just won't keep runnin.

Scanman, I am not sure I agree with you that "after that it hasn't been necessary". Your motor is stalling out. If you have tried playing with the choke to keep it running, then by all means, move on to the more technical stuff, but as I said, if I did what you did to the choke on my 1975 9.9HP Evinrude, it would not run at all. However, it runs just fine once you get over the initial cold start. On really hot days, like 30C degree summer afternoons, I don't need to pull out the choke at all, but on days like last weekend with the mornings at around 6C, I am playing the choke game about two times (slowly in, then out 1/2way, then in again and repeat, until she decides that I am serious about going for a boat ride this morning).

Good luck.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

ok, JUST FOR FUN, I'm gonna put the carb back on, double check the points, & play with the choke some more. When it's warm it shouldn't need to be choked, but at this point I'll try ANYTHING! If none of this helps I'll post the results, rebuild the carb again & replace the flywheel key too. Would the timing light show me a fluctuation in the timing? I still don't think the taper on the crank should be scorched. Doesn't that sound funny to yall?:confused:
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

It's look like rust which isn't uncommon and shouldn't have any effect on how it runs, clean it off with some sand paper, I don't remember seeing any timing marks on my 76's flywheel so I don't think that will help.
 

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I would also suggest that you keep your hand on the tiller and add throttle when she starts to die as well as 1/2 choking etc. So 1/2 choke when she starts to die, then, open up the choke butterfly when she starts to die again and then when she starts to idle better, throttle down a little, or repeat the above if she starts to die. That is pretty much my cold morning procedure and my motor runs well after that.

Now all that being said, I should point out that even on the coldest days, if I just choke it, start it, and then slowly put in the choke and let it stall out, after about 3 times or so, she will eventually run OK. Since I suspect you have tried to start this thing more than 3 times in a row, I thought I might throw out that cautionary note so your hopes don't go up too much and you can keep focused on other possible causes. I just think it is definitely something to look at the next time you have her together and ready to fire.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

The other things I would try is to open up the cap on the tank in case the vent screw is clogged. If you have another fuel hose I would try that in case your check valves are malfunctioning, although both of those problems should be fixed by squeezing the bulb when she starts to die and as others have said, it should run longer even with a full carb bowl.

Just ideas that are easy to implement. Good luck.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

hi.
if you want to avoid fuel pump so why dont you supply carb from the botle with fuel hanging over the engin and let the gravity help to refil the carb?
also i would change the condensers to be sure thet its not the problem witch runing.its cheap i think.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

just for the record. Gravity feed didn't help & the hose, tank & fittings are also brand new & well mated.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

so find some kind of friend and borow the carb from him and try to run
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

For fun I went out to the garage to look at my 76 flywheel hanging on the wall, there are 2 marks on the flywheel to reference.

In the manual it states:

Correctly adjusted breaker points will align the flywheel timing marks between the 2 armature plate index marks when the engine is run @ 1000rpm, if the gap is too large timing will be retarded, too small will advance the timing.

I guess one would need a light and tach to test it.

Then it goes on to talk about throttle cam adjustment. Keep in mind you just installed new points and run the motor for 5 hrs, the points need some time to conform to the shape of the cam and would certainly throw out timing after such wear has occured. Otherwise nothing has changed out of the entire scenario. Most of the time I just set points by eye with the cam at it's highest point and a feeler gauge, recheck them after a couple of revs of the crank by hand.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

First thing to do is re-torque the head, just to be sure you don't have a leak to the water jacket, you did use a new gasket and lap the head flat on a flat surface, right?

The timing marks on the flywheel are on the bottom edge, and face downwards, making them hard to see unless you look up at the bottom edges of the flywheel.

Did you just overhaul this engine? If so, I would suspect the timing, use a timing light as this tells you what is going on while it is running, checking the points gap with the flywhell off does not verify the ignition is working correctly, but a timing light will. You need to power the timing light from a 12 volt battery.

Verify you have the low speed mixture needle about 1.5 turns out as a starting setting.

Verify the plugs are not fouled, easy troubleshooting technique is to replace them.

Listen to the engine breath with the carb opened a little while slowly rotating the flywheel by hand, you should hear the reeds honking/wheezing as each piston starts it's upward travel, indicating proper crankcase compression, and both cylinders should test about the same. Feel for even resisitance from compression in each cylinder as you do this.

Pull the spark plugs, but plug them back into the plug wires and lay them against the lower cowl or block so the spark can jump the plug's gap. Now pull the engine through and look for bright blue spark. New points have a coat of lacquer on them, clean the points with MEK, or lacquer thinner by dipping a clean business card in the solvent and passing it between the points contacts. You may have to do this several times. This has stung me more than once! While you have the plugs out, but grounded, again spin the engine over slowly and listen for the "thoopah-thoopah" noise each cylinder will make as it's piston reaches the bottom of the stroke and uncovers the transfer ports, letting the crankcase vent into the cylinder; both cylinders should sound equall and have equall resistance as you turn the engine over...this is another test of crankcase compression and sealing.

If you have a bad seal on one cylinder, a leaking reed, a restricted reed, a case leak, or the timing is off due to the points not making good contact, or out of adjustment, the engine will not run right. If you have too rich of a low speed mixture, it will start with minimal choking but get rougher and die as it warms up.

Are you sure it has the thermostat installed and sealed correctly? I once had an engine that the head was corroded in the thermostat seal area, so it would not seal and over cooled. In this instance, the cylinders, head, and plugs never got warm so it would foul out and die at idle. I wound up replacing the head. The head and top of the block should get hot enough that you cannot keep your hand on it for more than several seconds without it becoming uncomfortable.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

It almost sounds like it's getting tighter as it warms up, does the rope pull pressure feel the same immediately after it stops?
I guess I'm asking if it could be binding up.
 
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