87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

[fat fanny]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

For your sake I hope it's something not to exspensive. Glad to hear you at least got lucky on the water fishin wise!

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

For your sake I hope it's something not to exspensive. Glad to hear you at least got lucky on the water fishin wise!

No such luck....Tore off the out drive and the coupler is intact....opened the upper unit....not so good....looks like a major rebuild...I'll post pic's later of the drive and driven gears....:facepalm:

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

 

[fat fanny]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Hell for the price go for the SEI if funds allow. Sorry to see that after all your good work.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Bummer!!!

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Yeah I'm sick ..... By the time I invest in the tools and parts the SEI will be less.....Not that I can't rebuild it I'm confident in my abilities...But it's the cost factor....

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

OK found these parts in my exhaust bellows.....maybe shutter parts?? I'm gonna post them in the engine section too....

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Hey, RR, is that a broken duma-flachy or a rounded off whachamacallit? What ever it is I shore am soree it broked on ya.

I'm not much of an I/O guy and I'm tryin to larn me sumthun, cuz everbody knowz I'm just an...

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Pretty much boils down to a failed seal....water infiltration in the upper unit and wiped out the drive and driven gears.... I haven't pulled apart the lower but I would bet my last dollar that will have issues too.... It's my own damn fault for not going over everything and thinking a few trips out last season and all was great....Guess I need to move to OKIE because I was a Dumb Okie for not checking.....costly mistake:facepalm:

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

some fishing video

http://youtu.be/mjgEg452aio

Sorry bout the poor quality cell phone clip....

 

[tpenfield]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Bummer to see the outdrive failure after all your hull restoration work. :facepalm:


Maybe the ourdrive was feeling neglected. Anyway, you could start an outdrive restoration thread.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

OK, Get the drive fixed so I can come up and you can take me Fishin!!!!! That looks like some MAJOR FUN!!!!!

 

[vcaptain]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Yeah I'm sick ..... By the time I invest in the tools and parts the SEI will be less.....Not that I can't rebuild it I'm confident in my abilities...But it's the cost factor....

What tools do you need? A machine shop is sometimes a good alternative, or craigslist. I've bought a tool, used it and sold it for what I paid for it doing the CR method.

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

The catchin was great but real expensive.... 44 gallons of fuel x 3.60 a gal. 80 bucks for the tow vehicle, 100 bucks food ice and bait...$300 for Sea Tow $40 in bearings and seal for the trailer repair.......$2200 outdrive.....I shoulda just bought 100#s of lobster and stayed home LOL I have to laugh or I'll break down and cry......:facepalm:


Ted the sad part is that the outdrive had about 120 hours on it when we got the boat....Checked it all out last season and serviced it....maybe 25-30 hours on it last season......and now it's done. I'm still on the fence....replace with a SEI....repair this one or find a good used one....Other option sell the damn boat and stick to ridin the Harley!

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Vcapt. The list of tools needed to rebuild a drive is staggering.....

The special tools from Mercury for building the Driveshaft Housing are:
NOTE: Click for price. Prices are subject to change.
Mercruiser changes prices on a regular basis.
91-38756 Adaptor
91-38918T Bearing Cup Driver
91-33493T Driver Cup
91-43591T Oil Seal Driver
91-60526T Shim Tool
91-60523 Shim Tool
91-34569A1 Slide Hammer Kit
91-66274 Torque Wrench (inch)
91-17256 Retainer Wrench
91-37241 Puller Plate
90-12934--2 Service Manual #6 for R, MR and Alpha Drives

For a complete listing of all Upper Gears and Upper Gear Kits, click HERE.

In addition to the tools listed above you will need:
A hydraulic press (you can not hammer on a bearing).
An old propshaft (used to hammer in the lower race).
An old driveshaft with a pinion nut on the end (used to obtain a rolling torque).
Old bearing cones (you can cut the cages off your old bearings).
An adequate section of pipe (about a 2" ID, used to press the bearing on to the gear).
A pressure tester (can be fabricated with a bike pump and gearlube pump).
A vacuum tester (can be a modified brake system bleeder pump).
A dead-blow hammer.
Compressed air and blow gun.
A piston ring compression tool (to align the double roller bearing set and obtain pre-load).
A housing holding fixture of some sort. (We use a Bob Kerr fixture).
A large accurate torque wrench (20 to 150 lbs with 1/2 drive).
A 12 point 3/8" socket.
A 3/4" socket.
A long slotted screwdriver.
Misc hand tools.
A can of Mercury Perfect Seal or Permatex Liquid Aviation Gasket Sealant.
A tube of red loc-tight threadlocker.
An oil can with clean Mercury Gear Lube.
A Good bench vise.
A .025" long feeler gauge.
An accurate micrometer.


The Right Tools
You can not build the drive without the right tools.
Below is a list of tools required to build an Alpha One lower.

Backlash Indicator Rod 91-53459
Bearing Carrier Retainer Wrench 91-61069T
Bearing Preload Tool 91-14311A04
Belleville Washer 12-54048
Dial Indicator 91-58222A1
Dial Indicator Holding Tool 91-89897
Drive Shaft Nut Wrench 91-56775T
Drive Shaft Tapered Bearing Driver 91-87119 Included with 91-31229A7
Driver Cup 91-34379T
Driver Cup 91-36577T
Drive Shaft Bearing Retainer Tool 91-43506T
Needle Bearing Driver 91-33491
Oil Seal Driver 91-31108
Oil Seal Driver 91-44110
Pinion Gear Shimming Tool 91-56048T
Pinion Nut Adaptor 91-61067A3
Puller Bolt 91-85716
Puller Jaws (order 2) 91-46086A1
Shift Shaft Bushing Tool 91-31107T
Slide Hammer Puller 91-34569A1
Torque Wrench - Lb. In. 91-66274
Universal Bearing Removal and Installation Tool 91-31229A7
Bearing Adaptor 91-15755T
Bearing Driver 91-52393T Included with 91-31229A7
Bearing Driver 91-32336 Included with 91-31229A7
Bearing Driver Rod 91-37323
Bearing Installation Tool 91-38628T
Collar 91-30366T1
Driver Head 91-36569T
Driver Head 91-37311 Included with 91-31229A7
Driver Head 91-37312 Included with 91-31229A7
Nut 11-24156
Pilot Washer 91-36571T
Pilot Washer 91-37324T
Pilot Washer 91-37350T
Plate 91-29310
Puller Head 91-36379 Included with 91-31229A7
Puller Rod 91-37229 Included with 91-31229A7
Puller Rod Head 91-32325T
Roller Bearing Removal and Installation Tool 91-37292
Washer 12-34961
Puller Rod 91-52394 Included with 91-31229A7
Universal Puller Plate 91-37241
Guide Plate 91-816243
Bearing Cup Installation Tool 91-18605A2
Shift Shaft Tool 75104A7

We also recommend the Heavy Duty Carrier Puller (see below)
This tool is the best way to pull the carrier.

 

[Woodonglass]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

RR, I know you are Really "Down and Out" right now and I can't blame you! However, you have invested a lot of Blood Sweat and Tears in that boat and have not had any of the Enjoyment. I vote you have some patience and Start searching the East Coast Craigslist listings and see what you can come up with. Heck you might find an old junker with an I/O that you could buy just for the outdrive and end up parting out the rest and get it for FREE!!!! Hang in there my Man!!! Good Things come to those who wait!!!!!

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Thanks Wood I needed a hug like that!

 

[GT1000000]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Hey Rick,

I know you are feeling down and out, but in the end it all works out...

Heck when it happened to me, I didn't speak to anybody for about a week...including my Loving Wife...:facepalm:

Check out my experience and hopefully you'll get a laugh out of it...I know I do, now that it's in the past...

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=517444

My powerhead is still in South Carolina waiting for the final fundage to get it sent back to me, but it should be good as rebuilt when I get it back...

And also, if its any consolation...the tools you listed, if you decided to do it yourself are way less expensive than you would imagine...If they are just for a one time use...you have a couple of options...

Harbor Freight...most are available and cheap...not intended for a lifetime of use, but should get the job done...before you buy...see below for free tools from me...

Local auto parts rental tools, some even take a deposit on the tool and return all your money when you return the tool...

PM jasoutside, I think he might have some of those specialty Merc tools, work out a deal with him...?

If any of the tools you need are in my possesion, I will gladly ship them to you and when you are done, you can just send them back...let me know before you buy...

Plus a decent machine shop can do any pressing on and off of stuff for a fairly reasonable cost...

Also, the parts list of any reputable shop will include everything plus the kitchen sink...sometimes you might just need the damaged stuff replaced, and can re-use the good stuff...get some opinions from the Engine Forum Gurus...

Hope everything works out and PM me if I can be of any assistance...

Gus

 

[rickryder]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

Thanks Gus I have all the automotive tools anyone could need....well between me and Rob <--- partner on the boat. I even have the 20Ton press. I'm just fustrated that's all..... It will get done...some how some way! Thank you for the tool offer it is much apreciated

 

[ezmobee]

Re: 87 Four Winns 210 Horizon resto

I'd be looking for a used one. 2nd choice would be SEI.