Alberto Gonzales: iboats No Confidence Poll

Alberto Gonzales: iboats No Confidence Poll

  • Confidence

    Votes: 30 54.5%
  • No Confidence

    Votes: 25 45.5%

  • Total voters
    55

woodrat

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no jbjennings, you're not so special. ANYONE who doesn't get lock step with the bush/cheney wing of the republican party will get trashed on as a traitor, a fraud, a liberal, a hippe freak, whatever.

That's how expansive the debate is around here. Welcome!
 

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no jbjennings, you're not so special. ANYONE who doesn't get lock step with the bush/cheney wing of the republican party will get trashed on as a traitor, a fraud, a liberal, a hippe freak, whatever.

That's how expansive the debate is around here. Welcome!

Not true rat. I have a agreed with willy, tree and even pw on some things that show that the Republicans get it wrong, but not as often as the dems get it wrong.

That lousy immigration bill comes to mind. Not letting the military fight the war as they have been trained to fight is another. Not enough troops in Iraq to start with is another.

So don't spout that carp about lock step. Your just plain wrong when you do.

But as for Alberto, what exactly has he done wrong? Where is your evidence? Other than those dopes in charge of Congress now running their mouths, who also have no evidence.
 

woodrat

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Ummm.. all you have to do is look at OMRs repsonse to jbjennings above to see a fine example of rudely insulting and trashing on another member here who isn't in lock step. He's told that he isn't a real republican if he disagrees with W and the nutball neocons. He is even called a fraud! Is that respectful? I think not!

Certainly that is not the only way things work around here. I have had respectful disgareements with other members in the past, pointer and jb both come to mind. But there are lots and lots of examples of exactly what I'm talking about, all over DC.

But to keep things on the gonzales topic, I'd like to hear some reasons why he shouldn't be swept out of there, reasons that go beyond "because W said so", that is. Can any of you gonzales defenders honestly say you would defend a democratically appointed AG who was knee deep in the kind of .... that Alberto is? Or are you guys just strictly just about partisan politics?

just curious...
 

woodrat

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Just for reference, here's a little exceprt from the rules (emphasis added):

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SLANDERING - No slandering another iboater (calling names, personal attacks). It is okay to respectfully disagree with a person, but it is not okay to personally attack. Any person placing offensive, obscene, abusive or derogatory posts on the board or sending them to board members in PM form will be automatically banned."
 

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Ummm.. all you have to do is look at OMRs repsonse to jbjennings above to see a fine example of rudely insulting and trashing on another member here who isn't in lock step. He's told that he isn't a real republican if he disagrees with W and the nutball neocons. He is even called a fraud! Is that respectful? I think not!

Certainly that is not the only way things work around here. I have had respectful disgareements with other members in the past, pointer and jb both come to mind. But there are lots and lots of examples of exactly what I'm talking about, all over DC.

But to keep things on the gonzales topic, I'd like to hear some reasons why he shouldn't be swept out of there, reasons that go beyond "because W said so", that is. Can any of you gonzales defenders honestly say you would defend a democratically appointed AG who was knee deep in the kind of .... that Alberto is? Or are you guys just strictly just about partisan politics?

just curious...
So I ask you for evidence why he should be out, and you respond why should he stay? WOW...talk about not being able to answer a question, but to turn it around like you did...it's pretty sad. But I guess you did answer my question, didn't you rat?
 

treedancer

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Stick around JBJ,we need a few more that arnt locksteppers,it keeps our local Neo Cons confused.:D
 

woodrat

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So I ask you for evidence why he should be out, and you respond why should he stay? WOW...talk about not being able to answer a question, but to turn it around like you did...it's pretty sad. But I guess you did answer my question, didn't you rat?

You want to know why gonzales should leave? Then read the papers. The guy seems to be either incompetent and not in control of his department, or as dishonest and deceitful as the day is long. Seems like there is a new story every few days, plenty of information is out there for those who want to know. It's not my job to sit here and list them all off for you.

And my question isn't just for you, or even as a response to you. I was thinking of posting that question before I even read your post. It is a fair question, but one I don't expect to see answered. My guess anyway, is that many of the people who voted that they have confidence in Gonzales are supporting the AG because a) the democrats, their mortal enemies, are attacking him, and b) the president, their leader, says he should stay.

but that's just my guess...
 

OldMercsRule

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Ummm.. all you have to do is look at OMRs repsonse to jbjennings above to see a fine example of rudely insulting and trashing on another member here who isn't in lock step. He's told that he isn't a real republican if he disagrees with W and the nutball neocons. He is even called a fraud!

Spades are SPADES: Rat.

Is that respectful? I think not!

Deceit does not diserve respect, IMHO, you can respect fraudulant Republicans all you want: I do not.

Hmmmmmmm, OK Rat do you know what the definition of "Slander" means? Please check it out if ya have a dictinary nearby. When someone calls themselves something they are clearly not, and after some punishing in yer face facts n' history, (that aparently you find "insulting and rude"), backs down and admits what they said was not true just what do you call it? I disagree with you on Iraq as well, but because you are a Geopolitical Expert with a cornsiderable track record of always being 100% accurate I choose to let yer post stand on the merits of yer cornsiderable reputation as an ace pundit as my fellow iboaters are much sharper then ol' Murky with his single brain cell.

Certainly that is not the only way things work around here. I have had respectful disgareements with other members in the past, pointer and jb both come to mind. But there are lots and lots of examples of exactly what I'm talking about, all over DC.

But to keep things on the gonzales topic, I'd like to hear some reasons why he shouldn't be swept out of there, reasons that go beyond "because W said so", that is. Can any of you gonzales defenders honestly say you would defend a democratically appointed AG who was knee deep in the kind of .... that Alberto is? Or are you guys just strictly just about partisan politics?

No Rat you are upside down here just as you are with yer position on Iraq. It is the Liberal Democrats that are playing "partisan politics"

just curious...

Respectfully, (and I mean it: in yer case) JR
 

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this is exactly the kind of bull I went through here a couple of years ago. Some people here think that they are free to hand out or deny other people's political persuasions for them. You call JBJ deceitful and a fraud because he calls himself a republican but doesn't support this administration. I think that is pretty bold and yes, pretty rude and disrespectful. I didn't see in this thread anyway where jbj admitted to not actually being a republican, something you say that he did. Dare I say that it is not your place or anyone else's for that matter to decide if someone can call themselves a republican or not?

My 74 year old dad has never voted for anyone but a repub his entire life I think. He hated Clinton, hated Kerry, and hates anything that smacks of liberalism, yet he is SICK of this administration and its poorly conceived war and all of the BS and power grabbing overreaching that they have been engaged in. And he voted for W, not once, but TWICE. I'd like to see you call him a fraud and Not a Real Republican. And he is most certainly not alone. How can W have won the last election (and I'm going to say he did for thesake of argument here) with a majority, yet now have the kind of approval ratings in the high twenties and low thirties unless he's lost some of the same people who voted him in?

I know you "real" repubs really believe that your side never engages in partisan politics, and never engages in any kind of hanky-panky of any kind, and how any repub that gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar didn't actually do it and was just a victim of those crafty and evil democrats, so I won't try to belabor the point. It would be a waste of bandwidth.

As to the definition of "slander" I simply copied the text straight from the iBoats rules. If you think that is wrong, maybe you could start a campaign to change the way the rules are worded.
 

OldMercsRule

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this is exactly the kind of bull I went through here a couple of years ago. Some people here think that they are free to hand out or deny other people's political persuasions for them.

Where do ya get this? I challanged the man who claimed to be a "Republican" yet spewed the EXACT SAME false propaganda of Move on . orq. I read his exact words and I feel he admitted to drifting away from the Republican party, (must of been before 2004 because he voted for Kerry in spite of his claims to be anti gun corntrol et al). Had he said: I'm a wobbly person that votes Republican sometimes and Democrat sometimes and I really dislike GW Bush, I would have treated him with the same respect I treat WbW, PW2, Rolmops, Mr. Tree et al. He walked in here under a false pretence, IMHO. You may like that is he agrees with your unside down views on Iraq, so be it.

You call JBJ deceitful and a fraud because he calls himself a republican but doesn't support this administration. I think that is pretty bold and yes, pretty rude and disrespectful. I didn't see in this thread anyway where jbj admitted to not actually being a republican, something you say that he did. Dare I say that it is not your place or anyone else's for that matter to decide if someone can call themselves a republican or not?

I call spades: spades Rat, sorry that offends yer sensabilities. I try to show respect for different opinions but I have little respect for falsehood.

My 74 year old dad has never voted for anyone but a repub his entire life I think. He hated Clinton, hated Kerry, and hates anything that smacks of liberalism, yet he is SICK of this administration and its poorly conceived war and all of the BS and power grabbing overreaching that they have been engaged in. And he voted for W, not once, but TWICE. I'd like to see you call him a fraud and Not a Real Republican.

Why make up a 'straw man' argument to make some sort of point to work yerself up over, take a cold shower please.

And he is most certainly not alone. How can W have won the last election (and I'm going to say he did for thesake of argument here) with a majority, yet now have the kind of approval ratings in the high twenties and low thirties unless he's lost some of the same people who voted him in?

Rat, real easy. Look at history. Americans hate wars (all wars) n' ALWAYS HAVE! They have been told by the MSM (that most people watch or read) that "Bush lied people died", the "worst president ever", "worse then the Great Depression", "incompetant incompetant" et al. If you have any knowledge of history (think outside the 'Kool aid' filled 'box' for a nano second and you will see that the PROPAGANDA DOES NOT MATCH THE ACTUAL FACTS.) It did not about Joe McCarthy, FDR either, yada yada. If you are vulnerable to that type of peer/MSM pressure yer not gonna like President Bush. Real simple if ya have 1/4 of a Brain cell, hope ya do.

I know you "real" repubs really believe that your side never engages in partisan politics, and never engages in any kind of hanky-panky of any kind, and how any repub that gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar didn't actually do it and was just a victim of those crafty and evil democrats, so I won't try to belabor the point. It would be a waste of bandwidth.

YOU CAN'T READ MY MIND, and yer havin' lots of trouble readin' my words. Never said that at all. BTW I'm not a Republican so put that in yer pipe with the rest of what ever yer smokin'.

As to the definition of "slander" I simply copied the text straight from the iBoats rules. If you think that is wrong, maybe you could start a campaign to change the way the rules are worded.

NO RAT! YOU ACCUSED ME OF SLANDER. YOU CLEARLY DON'T HAVE THE FAINTEST CLUE OF WHAT THE WORD ACTUALLY MEANS. Respectfully JR
 

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A wolf in sheeps clothing and all the other wolves are trying to pretend like all they see is sheep.
 

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I am still a republican, just waiting for one to run for president that shares my conservative views. We have one republican here in LA that I'd be glad to say good things about--Jim McCrery. gw bush is not a conservative on spending and is putting our country in such tremendous debt that we'll be years paying it back, if ever. I guess I'm being untruthful about that, huh. he is not a conservative on limiting big government, either. Do you dispute the fact that he helped create a whole new department of government? You have not addressed the fact that McCain-Feingold takes away one of our most basic and important rights, as the NRA and other conservative organizations will attest. Signing this into law is not what a conservative would do. The liberals love McCain-Feingold. It is really not worth addressing politics in this forum because of a select few loudmouths whose sole purpose is to make themselves feel bigger by name-calling and bashing others who differ from their own views in the slightest. You folks who fit this description should think about writing posts that might actually make someone lean toward your point of view instead of the nonsense you're spouting. And I certainly will never "back down" when I think I'm in the right but don't want to lower myself to responding much more to your type of posts. So don't be stupid enough to think that my silence on politics is out of "backing down" from your discussion, it's just that you're not worth it. Some of you go way overboard with your comments---grow up a little.
have fun with this one.
jbj
 

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I am still a republican, just waiting for one to run for president that shares my conservative views. We have one republican here in LA that I'd be glad to say good things about--Jim McCrery. gw bush is not a conservative on spending and is putting our country in such tremendous debt that we'll be years paying it back, if ever. I guess I'm being untruthful about that, huh.

Sorry for the "fraud" label, jbj I think I went a little too far with that, and I hope you can forgive me for the unwise application of words I chose to use with you. I will not say that again about you. You are what you think you are, I'm not here to "judge" anyone. BTW: Glad yer tough enough to take the slap n' come back fer more. It's not as simple as you tend to lay it out here. We had a collapse in "dot bomb" equity prices that sent us into a recession just as Mr Bush took office. We then had a minor little matter about the infrastructure in NWC on 9/11/2001 that really hit us very hard. (The enemies choose a very good time to hit us in September for a lot of reasons I could go on and on about.) Mr Bush had no choice but to step up and spend some of the money he spent. The tax cuts have given us an incredable kick that has resulted in record revenues to the Treasury, so yer debt stuff is a little off base.


he is not a conservative on limiting big government, either. Do you dispute the fact that he helped create a whole new department of government?

Nope Did not like that either or the spending on Katrina.

You have not addressed the fact that McCain-Feingold takes away one of our most basic and important rights, as the NRA and other conservative organizations will attest. Signing this into law is not what a conservative would do. The liberals love McCain-Feingold.

Agreed as well, but I feel Mr Bush has never had much political capital to spend, (he did not even win the popular vote in 2000) and the Congressional Republicans were also very weak and he picked his battles. He and most Cornservatives thought the Supremes would knock it down, (which they may now with the two new Justices), as it was clearly a violation of freedom of speech as the Framers intended us to have.

It is really not worth addressing politics in this forum because of a select few loudmouths whose sole purpose is to make themselves feel bigger by name-calling and bashing others who differ from their own views in the slightest.

Don't read my mind. Please. Just my words.

You folks who fit this description should think about writing posts that might actually make someone lean toward your point of view instead of the nonsense you're spouting. And I certainly will never "back down" when I think I'm in the right but don't want to lower myself to responding much more to your type of posts. So don't be stupid enough to think that my silence on politics is out of "backing down" from your discussion, it's just that you're not worth it.

I understand how you feel, even though I may not agree with yer words.

Some of you go way overboard with your comments---grow up a little.
have fun with this one.
jbj

Hope my appology works here. Respectfully, JR
 

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Looks like all that's left is for you two girls to give each other a big ol kiss!
 

jbjennings

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I won't read your's if you won't read mine. I'll bet you'll find that we have at least a few conservative views in common. It has been a very abrupt learning experience to post my thoughts on one of these things. I will try to be much more careful from now on to keep my thoughts as concise as some of these other guys. I'm thinking that it probably was not wise of me to get into a discussion at this time on this topic since all conservatives need to be getting on the same page in order to be sure we don't get Hillary. My gosh you guys are protective of 'ol dubya, though. I hope any future posts of mine will not be so controversial, although I'm sure I will be good for several more laughs on your part, as I have as big a mouth as some of you do and am particularly adept at sticking my foot in it.
later,
jbj:p
 

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I won't read your's if you won't read mine.

I'll read yours if I get the chance you do what you want.

I'll bet you'll find that we have at least a few conservative views in common.

Guns n' judges (for five minutes or so maybe) before ya change yer mind or whatever ya do. I found a lot of previously unknown n' very surprizin' agreement with the Liberals here in Seattle for a week or two after 9/11 but as soon as we committed to a plan of action against the bad guys (which they initially supported) they began to work with our enemies to defeat our fearless leaders who still remain steadfast to this day, IMHO. BTW: Bagdad Jim McDermott is the local hero here in Seattle, who wins 80-90% landslide victories every election.

Any self respecting 'Cornservative' or 'Republican' or whatever you choose to call yerself that would vote for John Forbes Kerry in a fairly close race can't feel too strong about their cornvictions or at the very least are incornsistent or totally uninformed about who John Forbes Kerry was. How could a seasoned school science teacher be unaware of Mr. Kerry's testatmony in front of the Senate in the early 1970s reciting word for word false Soviet Propaganda to help the VC beat us? You are aware that Mr. Kerry has a large presence in the Vietnam War museum that brings great pride to every Liberal Democrat who helped defeat us in 1975 that directly lead to the deaths of 3,000,000 of our former allies, or did you not know that about your candidate for President of this Great Country?

Republicans really do have a large tent. Chuck Hagel calls himself a 'Cornservative Republican' n' O Snow n S Collins also call themselves Republicans too. So there ya go. Different strokes fer different folks: I say. I see no reason that Obama n' Hillary are worse then Mr. Kerry in fact if I had a choice of those three Mr Kerry would ABSOLUTELY be my last choice of the three by a huge margin.

Now Mr. Edwards vs Mr. Kerry would be very difficult to choose the most discusting of those two, (that's right ya actually voted fer Edwards at least once already, I forgot: silly me). JB or Spinner will spank me if I tell ya what I really think of those two P****. Those who have read me posts before the last dust up on DC know what I think of Mr Kerry n' Mr Edwards is in the same league.


It has been a very abrupt learning experience to post my thoughts on one of these things. I will try to be much more careful from now on to keep my thoughts as concise as some of these other guys.

Sorry about that.

I'm thinking that it probably was not wise of me to get into a discussion at this time on this topic since all conservatives need to be getting on the same page in order to be sure we don't get Hillary.

I don't want any Dem for President, but she is acting the most statesperson like right now of those terrible bunch of clods. If Richardson weren't for surrender to Islamo Facists I could hold me nose n' ponder him fer a nano second 'r two.

My gosh you guys are protective of 'ol dubya, though.

Don't read minds or make assumptions about what other Cornservatives like or dislike about President Bush, (maybe you should read the DC guidelines one more time). Plainsman, (Eric) gets mad at me sometimes if I call President Bush: Mr Bush.

I hope any future posts of mine will not be so controversial, although I'm sure I will be good for several more laughs on your part, as I have as big a mouth as some of you do and am particularly adept at sticking my foot in it.
later,
jbj:p

I reguarly chew on my foot, n' the Lord knows I rant n' rant n' rant, from time to time. Get spanked fairly regularly. But: I share Rubbers', (thats RubberFrog's), approach to postin' on the net, I never get upset on here: I just view it as great sport. Keeps the ol' brain cell sharp. Respectfully, (and I mean it) JR
 

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I'm shaking my head and smiling right now. By the way, I wasn't even born when Kerry supposedly made those statements. I do try to be an informed voter and won't apologize for voting against gw-- in my mind I wasn't voting for Kerry, he had no chance in my state.
You have been quite an educator yourself lately, OMR. I should pay you tuition.
Hillary a stateswoman-- I think not, just smarter than the others in her party and thinks everyone else in America is an idiot. I did like her false southern accent she tried to use once while campaigning. I got quite a laugh out of it. You are quite a character. How's this for 'ya, it's my opinion that the demo. party is getting run by the wacko minority in their party, and close to the same is being done by the Rep.. Problem is, there's no one else to vote for that has the slightest chance because they can't raise the funds. Hence, my "vote" last election. Maybe a 3rd party would scare these dems and reps. back out of never-never land.
Thanks again for the well-deserved education,
jbj
 

treedancer

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Here jbj if you would rather read the transcript of the speech rather that have JR.s interruption of it, it is also available on a mp3 stream.

[FONT=&quot]http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/02/20/1535232[/FONT]


Quote OldMercsRule


You are aware that Mr. Kerry has a large presence in the Vietnam War museum that brings great pride to every Liberal Democrat who helped defeat us in 1975

museum.jpg


The picture that OMR is referring to is this one, taken in 1993 when Kerry was sent to Vietnam as part of a high level delegation to press for some info on Pow/mia,s.here is the Snopes link for that also.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/museum.asp


Here is some other Kerry info you just might be interested in.

[FONT=&quot]http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp[/FONT]


On Feb 18,1966 John Kerry enlisted in the Navel reserve, on Aug 19 that same year he went on active duty. He completed his training and received his officer commission on Dec 16,1966.
In early 1968,then Ensign Kerry was deployed on the guided missile frigate USS Gridley on its way to Vietnam stationed in the Gulf of Tonkin.


Now we can pickup what our future President was doing during this historic time.
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In January 1968, with Vietnam War starting to get very hot Bush was due to graduate from Yale.
With the knowledge that he would soon be facing the draft Young George started scrambling for a billet with the Texas Air National Guard. Young George looked on this as a win,win,situation, as he would be able to say he fulfill his military Obligation ,he could also do it and stay home. Well. in young Georges eyes it looked like a win,win. The trouble was yon George had to take a pesky test,ya you guessed it 25th percentile, the lowest possible passing grade. Here comes the papa the the rescue,
Geirge the first being as at the time he was the U.S. . Congressman from Houston, and strings were pulled. The younger Bush vaulted to the head of a long waiting list--a year and a half long; by some estimates--and in May of '68 he was inducted into the guard.


Lets take a look at what the future senator was doing while young George was bobin and weaving.

The night of Dec3,1968 Kerry was operating north of Cam Ranh Bay,they surprised Charlie unloading some sampans it ended up with Kerry receiving a minor but it earned him his first Purple Heart. That happened in Dec 1968,about five months after young George got into the guard with Papas help. On Feb 20 ,Kerry received his second purple hear in action on th Bo De River/

On Feb 28,1969 Kerry received his Silver Star.[FONT=&quot] Kerry was injured yet again on 13 March 1969, in an action for which he was awarded both a Bronze Star and his third Purple Heart. According to Kerry's Bronze Star citation (signed by Admiral Zumwalt himself):[/FONT]

Now lets get an update on young Georges reserve career.


In may of 1972 young George requested a transfer to an Alabama Air National Guard unit that didn?t have a plane?.Huh??..O well I guess that?s one of the perks of have a congressman for a father, because it was approved by his immediate superior, but his superiors, superior, nixt the deal. They got it stalled for months, but Politics won out young George supposedly transferred to the 187th tactical Reconnaissance Group located in Montgomery. It seems that not many people remember seeing young George at the 187th rcon. That plus him missing a flight physical and was grounded caused some concern abut his drug test, most likely pure speculation, young George, being the practical sort most likely reasoned that if they didn?t have a damn plane why get a flight physical. After the November election Bush returned to Texas, but apparently didn't notify his old Texas guard unit for quite a while, if ever. The Boston Globe initially reported that he started putting in some serious duty time in May, June, and July of 1973 to make up for what he'd missed. But according to a piece in the New Republic, there's no evidence Bush did even that. Whatever the case, even though his superiors knew he'd blown off his duties, they never disciplined him.
 
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