Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

[mnypitboat]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

I don't think that trim motor would have much affect as it is probably located close to center.

My trim pump is way out tucked up in the corner about 2 feet from center. So if his is in the same place in the OP's boat, then yep it could cause some issues. After reading this a few days ago, I started noticing mine is listing to the starboard side too. I have 2 batteries and my trim pump on that side, so I am not overly concerned. However, with my fat***** driving you can feel it on plane.

I think I will also move at least one of my batteries to the other side and push it out a bit to help offset the trim pump and the battery. I have storage under my console too, which is full, so I bet that isnt helping.

Thanks to everyone that posted here, and thanks to the OP for posting it. It helped me as well.

 

[muffley]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

Engine compartment starboard (with battery) and port (with trim motor I think)

 

[muffley]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

All hatches empty and everything removed (3/4 tank of gas):
1st pic is with battery far starboard = 2 inch list
2nd pic is with battery removed from boat = 1 inch list
3rd pic is battery far port = no list

Hope this helps and thanks again.

 

[mnypitboat]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

All hatches empty and everything removed (3/4 tank of gas):
1st pic is with battery far starboard = 2 inch list
2nd pic is with battery removed from boat = 1 inch list
3rd pic is battery far port = no list

Hope this helps and thanks again.

Crap, yours lists a lot more than mine. I bet mine is just that extra battery I added.

Thanks for the pics.

 

[RobbyA]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Wow that first pic looks like it list more than two inches! That would bother me also.

After reading this thread and keeping up with the updates, I was on the lake this weekend and measured mine. Its sits perfectly level, but when you take off it leans to port probably more than two inches and this kind of bugs me.

 

[Beefer]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Wow that first pic looks like it list more than two inches! That would bother me also.

After reading this thread and keeping up with the updates, I was on the lake this weekend and measured mine. Its sits perfectly level, but when you take off it leans to port probably more than two inches and this kind of bugs me.

Mine does that too. So far it's not worrying me. I'll get to it....

 

[BoatNoobie]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

gonna suck when your boat does a drive-by.

 

[rbh]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

In your pictures, it appears as if your stern is sitting further in the water than it should.
This suggest's to me that, yes your floatation foam has picked up a lot of water.
If it only takes the movement of a battery from one side to the other to balance a boat of that size out, than there is a lot of extra weight, and it is low.
Have you weighed the boat and compared to the factory weight numbers yet?

And if the weight is substantley more now and this worries you, when you have time in the fall, cut an inspection hole on both sides near the transome (on the top), remove foam till you hit the lowest part of the hull and see how wet it is???
my 02 cents anyways

 

[muffley]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

In your pictures, it appears as if your stern is sitting further in the water than it should.
This suggest's to me that, yes your floatation foam has picked up a lot of water.
If it only takes the movement of a battery from one side to the other to balance a boat of that size out, than there is a lot of extra weight, and it is low.
Have you weighed the boat and compared to the factory weight numbers yet?

And if the weight is substantley more now and this worries you, when you have time in the fall, cut an inspection hole on both sides near the transome (on the top), remove foam till you hit the lowest part of the hull and see how wet it is???
my 02 cents anyways

thanks for your 2 cents...not what i wanted to hear, but then again I came here because I wanted unbiased feedback.

much appreciated

 

[Captain Caveman]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

That is quite a tilt to the starboard side. Your boat as well as all others are supposed to sit relatively level with all of the factory options installed, which means that something is wrong. That is Fact #1. It also doesn't sound like you've got decades of boating experience under your belt, so I wouldn't go drilling inspection holes in your transom. Some of the folks on here are very skilled and can do that without problem, but only you know your skills and limitations. That's a very nice boat and you don't want to compound the problem.

My recommendation is to take it to a quality boat shop and have them inspect it for this specific problem. Showing them the pictures will go a long way and hopefully they can solve your issue.

Pine sap might be a possibility, but I think that it's more likely that something is holding/blocking all of the water from draining. Good luck!

 

[aspeck]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Kind of reminds me of Suds ... http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=29783&highlight=listing+port ... and she got a new boat out of it. I think she had a lot more issues than you do, and hers was new.

BTW, I am agreeing with the pine needles/sap clogging up the drains through the stringers and possibly resulting in waterlogged floatation. Get the boat weighed ... that is the easiest way to check. Then go from there.

 

[smokintoad]

Is this a joke???

Is this a joke???

OK,

A few of OBVIOUS issues here.


1. The name of your boat is ?EILEEEN? are you serious???
2. The way Eileen is written it looks like you took Bow Numbers and turned them upside down. N33713. Is this so you can be identitified if you roll her over?


If this is not a joke?purchasing a moisture sensor would be a good place to start.

 

[rbh]

Re: Is this a joke???

Re: Is this a joke???

OK,

A few of OBVIOUS issues here.


1. The name of your boat is ?EILEEEN? are you serious???
2. The way Eileen is written it looks like you took Bow Numbers and turned them upside down. N33713. Is this so you can be identitified if you roll her over?


If this is not a joke?purchasing a moisture sensor would be a good place to start.

GOOD EYE!!!
I would not have caught that.

 

[muffley]

Re: Is this a joke???

Re: Is this a joke???

OK,

A few of OBVIOUS issues here.


1. The name of your boat is ?EILEEEN? are you serious???
2. The way Eileen is written it looks like you took Bow Numbers and turned them upside down. N33713. Is this so you can be identitified if you roll her over?


If this is not a joke?purchasing a moisture sensor would be a good place to start.

1. Congrats you are the first person to notice this...I added the name after the issues (trying have a sense of humor about this)
2. Yes, I used left over numbers.

 

[muffley]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

That is quite a tilt to the starboard side. Your boat as well as all others are supposed to sit relatively level with all of the factory options installed, which means that something is wrong. That is Fact #1. It also doesn't sound like you've got decades of boating experience under your belt, so I wouldn't go drilling inspection holes in your transom. Some of the folks on here are very skilled and can do that without problem, but only you know your skills and limitations. That's a very nice boat and you don't want to compound the problem.

My recommendation is to take it to a quality boat shop and have them inspect it for this specific problem. Showing them the pictures will go a long way and hopefully they can solve your issue.

Pine sap might be a possibility, but I think that it's more likely that something is holding/blocking all of the water from draining. Good luck!

Thanks for the advice...yeah, I am definitely NOT gonna be drilling any holes in the boat as that kind of investigation is above my pay grade. Will be taking it to a good boat shop around here, but am trying to do/learn as much as I can beforehand.

 

[smokintoad]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

OK then,

A moisture sensor is a good place to start. Get the boat out of the water; get all of the water out of the bilge. Check the transom first and work your way to the bow. The levels should be constant all the way through. If you get a reading (and I would suspect you get one on the starboard side right in front on the engine compartment) that is the place to start. Then I would drill to confirm it. Drill from the deck down, If you have a rear bench seat this would be a good inconspicuous place to do it.

But that is just me.

 

[geeco1]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED: SEE POST #36

OK, perhaps I am the one missing something here, but without pictures, here is my take on the situation. It sounds that you have a single console, sitting on the starboard side (~50 lbs). You had a battery sitting on the same side (~60 lbs). You probably also have ~20 lbs of control cables, throttle, electrical wires, etc tucked up under the gunnel on the same side. So you have roughly 130 lbs of stuff sitting basically as far starboard as possible. What about livewells, where are they located? that could be another 10 lbs(empty).

I don't think that trim motor would have much affect as it is probably located close to center.

Keep in mind, the formula to figure the weights and moments is... Weight * distance from centerline. So a 60 lb battery located 4 feet from center line has a moment of 240 ft-lbs. It would take a 120 lb person standing 2 feet from center to offset that moment. (think teeter-totter). If you only have one battery, try to position it closer to center (reduces moments). Or store your anchor, and other gear on the opposite side.

OK, Now that I see the pictures, I have to discard much of what I said earlier. Sorry if it was misleading in any way.

 

[smokintoad]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Ok, this is a good reason to post pictures of problems.

Looking at the picture with the battery. There looks like there is a water mark on the transom, on the left hand side, right at the bottom (of the picture).

Also, the deck that the battery is sitting on, can you reach under it through the bilge area or is it sealed? The more I look at it the more I suspect you are holding water under there.

 

[rbh]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Ok, this is a good reason to post pictures of problems.

Looking at the picture with the battery. There looks like there is a water mark on the transom, on the left hand side, right at the bottom (of the picture).

Also, the deck that the battery is sitting on, can you reach under it through the bilge area or is it sealed? The more I look at it the more I suspect you are holding water under there.

I am thinking that the ledge's were the battery and the trim pump are mounted is were the floatation foam is.
Most older boats will have some/alittle moisture inbedded between the glass and the floatation foam area below the waterline due to leakage or condinsation.

 

[muffley]

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

Re: Boat Isn't Level at Dock UPDATED w/ PICS: SEE POSTS #42 & 43 (analysis see #36)

I am thinking that the ledge's were the battery and the trim pump are mounted is were the floatation foam is.
Most older boats will have some/alittle moisture inbedded between the glass and the floatation foam area below the waterline due to leakage or condinsation.

The ledges that the battery and trim pump sit on appear to be fully sealed. I just reached down around the engine as best i could and couldn't feel any access point(s).

Below is a sideview pic that may help determine if she is "sitting low in the stern"...to my untrained eye nothing looks amiss.
but would obviously value the more expert/trained eyes of you all.