Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

RPJS

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It means shut up and get a job that pays enough to keep the tank on that 30000 dollar SUV nice and full.

And if you have not got the ability to get that job then shut up and get a car that you can afford to run. Economics 101 if you don't have it you can't spend it.
 

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And if you have not got the ability to get that job then shut up and get a car that you can afford to run. Economics 101 if you don't have it you can't spend it.
You need to speak to the U.S. Congress about your theory........:rolleyes:
 

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C'mon guys. Haut & tree don't really believe what they are saying.
If the oil companies were really making such massive profits, Haut & tree would both have every penny they have invested in Exxon/Mobile, BP & Shell. They'd be complete morons not to.
Since I doubt that they did that, they'd be bragging about how rich they are, obviously they don't believe that the oil company profits are that high.
 

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C'mon guys. Haut & tree don't really believe what they are saying.
If the oil companies were really making such massive profits, Haut & tree would both have every penny they have invested in Exxon/Mobile, BP & Shell. They'd be complete morons not to.
Since I doubt that they did that, they'd be bragging about how rich they are, obviously they don't believe that the oil company profits are that high.

Now, that's a burn..
 

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Just got my Big Oil dividend check... now I can afford to fill up my truck and boat at the same time!
 

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On this day in 1911, the Supreme Court ordered the dissolution of Standard Oil, ruling that it was in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.....
Just thought I'd share......:)
 

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Your typical big oil executive/CEO.:D
 

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Actually they have a permanent smile. Even plastic surgery cant remove it. A multiple million dollar golden parachute will do that to you.

Ken
 

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Actually they have a permanent smile. Even plastic surgery cant remove it. A multiple million dollar golden parachute will do that to you.

Ken

Kind of like that guy Bob on the Enzyte commercials! :p
 

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It means shut up and get a job that pays enough to keep the tank on that 30000 dollar SUV nice and full.

First of all, since when did the poster need a translator. Since when did you get omniscient and possess the ability to read others minds. The screed that vlad penned was pure pedagogic double speak. Lot's of thunder; no rain.

To follow his proscription, all would want to be the Bill Gates of the world; not just settle for enough of a job the fuel a SUV or pickup. To suggest that is to sell short the ego-centric desires of the masses way short. And although the concept of "you can be anything you want, just go get it" is the mantra of education departments, it is just bull. Vlad and his ilk just spout jingoes and and bumper sticker philosophy and try to pass it off as contributing to the discussion.

You'll notice that Vlad has not posited a suggested solution. Just ranting is a lot easier. Reminds me of the woman whose car stalled at an intersection. As she is trying to start her car, the guy behind her is relentlessly honking the horn. After considerable honking, she got out and went back to the fellow and offered to keep honking his horn for him if he would go start her car.

Enough of the horn blowing.:D
 

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...although the concept of "you can be anything you want, just go get it" is the mantra of education departments, it is just bull....
Is that what they tell you when you pick up your welfare check?

Poor helpless underpriviledged... they'll never amount to anything... vote for me and I'll pay for your telephone and internet....

Of COURSE you can be anything you want. Go get an education already. Is it hard work? You betcha! So what? Get off your butt and do it and stop making excuses why you can't do it on your own.
 

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Is that what they tell you when you pick up your welfare check?

Poor helpless underpriviledged... they'll never amount to anything... vote for me and I'll pay for your telephone and internet....

Of COURSE you can be anything you want. Go get an education already. Is it hard work? You betcha! So what? Get off your butt and do it and stop making excuses why you can't do it on your own.

I think you have let your biases taint your judgment of me. You don't know me. You completely misunderstand what I said. I subscribe to the motto of the military, "Be all you can be." Not that saccharin bromide, "You can be anything you want to be." I was simply making the point that everyone, no matter how much they try or desire to be Bill Gates; it ain't going to happen. The solution Vlad was promoting was not valid. It was just happy talk with no basis in reality.

I am in no way a apologist for the lazy, the indolent, and the porch monkeys. I would agree with your advice. One last thought; it's better to be thought of as a fool than peck away on your keyboard and remove all doubt. (In this instance, passing judgment on someone you don't know.)
 

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On this day in 1911, the Supreme Court ordered the dissolution of Standard Oil, ruling that it was in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.....
Just thought I'd share......:)

So, basically, all boat dealerships charge about the same, and pay the techs the same. Sounds like a trust to me, using that logic.
 

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Do you honestly think American demand for gas is going to go down by even a drop until the day we run out?

Why yes: ZmOz, I do think it is possible. If you had stayed in school you may have learned some of the basics about suppy vs demand. THOUGHT: if prices go up enough demand WILL FALL. Real simple, (even if ya only have one brain cell), as long as you have taken the time to learn in the first place.

Even as cars get more efficient and laws become more strict, the population increases and more and more people start using gas every day.

Time to go to the Library, or back to school. Prices do effect behavior, (you should have learned that).

What they mean to say is, "if we built another refinery then what excuse would we use to charge so damn much?"

No: ZmOz, the world does not work that way. Prices relect supply conditions and the strength of demand. Decisions to spend large amounts of capital on such a large and politically fragile asset is very complicated. Management must weigh what Liberal Democrats might do, (they work very hard to deny increase in domestic supply, [THE PRIMARY REASON PRICES ARE HIGH RIGHT NOW]; they attempt to raise taxes and 'confiscate profits' at any opportunity, [JUST LISTEN TO THE DEMOCRAT FRONT RUNNER]; they require complicated fuel formulations: (different in many areas); and they pass very nasty and punitive environmental laws). Management must also survey the temperment of the masses. There are a lot of people out there who are not nearly as informed as you are, (if you had finished high school you might even be dangerious). (35% of the modern Democrats think that President Bush knew the 9/11 attacks were going to happen prior to the actual attack), I bet you know that is not likely: ZmOz. When they face those kind of hurdles, and the investment returns are lower then average returns in other industries, people with at least one functioning brain cell can understand their reluctance to build additional refineries. Respectfully, (and I mean it ZmOz), JR
 

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I think you have let your biases taint your judgment of me. You don't know me.
Perhaps and true.

I am in no way a apologist for the lazy, the indolent, and the porch monkeys. I would agree with your advice. One last thought; it's better to be thought of as a fool than peck away on your keyboard and remove all doubt. (In this instance, passing judgment on someone you don't know.)

Anyone who thinks you can't make it big in America has already penned themself the fool. It is but a slippery slope from there to "it's not my fault I'm broke... gimme some gubbment cheese!

In America you can get something to eat 24 hours a day. That's right, if you got some money or a gun, you can get something to eat! - Pryor
 

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Quote Omer


Management must weigh what Liberal Democrats might do, (they work very hard to deny increase in domestic supply, [THE PRIMARY REASON PRICES ARE HIGH RIGHT NOW]; they attempt to raise taxes and 'confiscate profits' at any opportunity, [JUST LISTEN TO THE DEMOCRAT FRONT RUNNER]; they require complicated fuel formulations: (different in many areas); and they pass very nasty and punitive environmental laws). Management must also survey the temperment of the masses. There are a lot of people out there who are not nearly as informed as you are, (if you had finished high school you might even be dangerious). (35% of the modern Democrats think that President Bush knew the 9/11 attacks were going to happen prior to the actual attack), I bet you know that is not likely: ZmOz.

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I think I will try your tactic JR, Put the blame in Conservative Republicans for every ailment from scratched car paint, too to my arthritic elbow. If liberal Democrats are the reason that no refineries have been built, explain to me, why have no new refineries have been built in spite of so far, 14 years, and climbing of Republican Presidents, plus the last six years of a Republican President, and Republican controlled house and Senate? Ill tell you, its because Conservative Republicans, are looking out for one of their biggest campaign contributors.

. Over the last quarter-century, the number of refineries in the United States dropped to 149, less than half the number in 1981. The decline in refineries began when the Conservative Republican, President Reagan, was elected in 1981,He had eight years too build some refineries, wonder why none was built?

The last refinery built in the US was in Garyville, Louisiana, and it started up in 1976. Using JR reasoning,must have been because of Conservative Republicans. Let?s fast forward too the year 2000, Lo and behold we had a whole flock of Conservative Republicans Land on us, not only the President, there is the House, and Senate,. Populated by Conservative Republicans, You would think that we could at least get a refinery, or two, built seeing as the President had experience in the oil business. Just maybe, that is the reason we don?t have any. You think? Anybody beside myself, starting to see a trend between Conservative Republicans, and refinery decline?


Seems he had other priorities, such as cutting the taxes for the wealthy, and cut aid to the poor, uninsured, hungry and homeless as Conservative Republicans, are inclined to do.


Maybe he hasn?t had time to get Er done, after all he had Iraq, too invade, you know WMD and all of that rot. It can?t be because it slipped his mind, he was reminded when, Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, visiting the president at his ranch and, chided him with the message that his country could send more oil, but the United States would not have the ability to refine it.



 

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Quote Omer


Management must weigh what Liberal Democrats might do, (they work very hard to deny increase in domestic supply, [THE PRIMARY REASON PRICES ARE HIGH RIGHT NOW]; they attempt to raise taxes and 'confiscate profits' at any opportunity, [JUST LISTEN TO THE DEMOCRAT FRONT RUNNER]; they require complicated fuel formulations: (different in many areas); and they pass very nasty and punitive environmental laws). Management must also survey the temperment of the masses. There are a lot of people out there who are not nearly as informed as you are, (if you had finished high school you might even be dangerious). (35% of the modern Democrats think that President Bush knew the 9/11 attacks were going to happen prior to the actual attack), I bet you know that is not likely: ZmOz.

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I think I will try your tactic JR, Put the blame in Conservative Republicans for every ailment from scratched car paint, too to my arthritic elbow.

Hmmmmmmmm, Mr. Tree, Ya think I blame Democrats for scratched car paint n' arthritic elbows? Liberals in Seattle do in fact key the cars of people with whom they dissagree, that has been an experience of my friends and did make the local newspapers a number of times. I do not plan to provide a linc. I have no way to know if these loons vote Democrat, and I do not believe I have ever said that they did, as to arthritis: I don't know what planet you are orbiting. I like to stick to written words not mind reading: Mr. Tree.

If liberal Democrats are the reason that no refineries have been built, explain to me, why have no new refineries have been built in spite of so far, 14 years, and climbing of Republican Presidents, plus the last six years of a Republican President, and Republican controlled house and Senate?

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Mr. Tree I thought Oil companies built refineries, I did not know Republican Presidents would do such a thing, nor am I aware of Congress people or Senators building refineries. Most of the means of production in this great Country are owned by private entities. Ya may be cornfused: this is the USA not the USSR. They, (private enterprize) make private decisions based on known risks, sometimes in an emergency the government may build Dams and public works projects. Hind sight tells us that these 'make work' programs made the great depression worse. An adversarial political environment is definately a RISK cornsideration for any private party to ponder prior to investment. That all said: my point is there are very few Republicans or Cornservatives that erect barriers to the refining part of the oil business. The Democrats proposed the various formulas to reduce polution, and the Republicans may have cooperated, (I did not look that up prior to my reply here). Supply risks also factor into any investment decision: Republicans usually vote to allow offshore drilling and drilling in Anwar and the Democrats refuse along party lines. Even though the US government does not own all the means of production the government does assert it's rights over territorial waters and Federal lands where oil may exist. The Democrats consistently vote to LIMIT SUPPLY. Real simple: WE HAVE HIGH PRICES DUE TO LIMITED SUPPLY. If your brian works, ya must know that limiting supply does cause higher prices.

Ill tell you, its because Conservative Republicans, are looking out for one of their biggest campaign contributors.


Hmmmmmmmmmm, major mind read here. Please prove it!


. Over the last quarter-century, the number of refineries in the United States dropped to 149, less than half the number in 1981. The decline in refineries began when the Conservative Republican, President Reagan, was elected in 1981,He had eight years too build some refineries, wonder why none was built?

The last refinery built in the US was in Garyville, Louisiana, and it started up in 1976. Using JR reasoning,must have been because of Conservative Republicans.

I sure don't follow you here. Is this logic Mr. Tree?

Let’s fast forward too the year 2000, Lo and behold we had a whole flock of Conservative Republicans Land on us, not only the President, there is the House, and Senate,. Populated by Conservative Republicans, You would think that we could at least get a refinery, or two, built seeing as the President had experience in the oil business. Just maybe, that is the reason we don’t have any.

Please read my first reply Presidents n' Politicians don't build refineries.

You think? Anybody beside myself, starting to see a trend between Conservative Republicans, and refinery decline?



Seems he had other priorities, such as cutting the taxes for the wealthy, and cut aid to the poor, uninsured, hungry and homeless as Conservative Republicans, are inclined to do.

Show me where President Bush cut aid to the poor, uninsured, hungry and homeless. That is a false statement. Same kinda carp George Soro's moveon.org spreads.

Maybe he hasn’t had time to get Er done, after all he had Iraq, too invade, you know WMD and all of that rot. It can’t be because it slipped his mind, he was reminded when, Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, visiting the president at his ranch and, chided him with the message that his country could send more oil, but the United States would not have the ability to refine it.




Mr. Tree, You are a bright guy with superior computer skills. I don't know if you are a Liberal or a Democrat. You may be just pickin' a fight because you luv to debate as Bro Haut does this same thing to get me excited. Your cornclusions are flawed, n' ya can't read my mind even if it only has one overstressed cell. Democrats n' Libs are clearly responsible for raising risks for domestic investment in the oil business. That is a fact that you may choose to ignore if you wish. Respectfully, JR
 

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Originally Posted by ZmOz

What they mean to say is, "if we built another refinery then what excuse would we use to charge so damn much?"

Omers answer too ZmOz (condensed version)

Management must weigh what Liberal Democrats might do, (they work very hard to deny increase in domestic supply, [THE PRIMARY REASON PRICES ARE HIGH RIGHT NOW];

Democrats n' Libs are clearly responsible for raising risks for domestic investment in the oil business. That is a fact that you may choose to ignore if you wish. Respectfully


Omers answer when I responded to that post

Hmmmmmmmmmm, Mr. Tree I thought Oil companies built refineries, I did not know Republican Presidents would do such a thing, nor am I aware of Congress people or Senators building refineries. Most of the means of production in this great Country are owned by private entities


It seems liberal Democrats are capable of stopping a Republican controlled Senate and House, don?t think so.

Quote Omer

WE HAVE HIGH PRICES DUE TO LIMITED SUPPLY. If your brian works, ya must know that limiting supply does cause higher prices.

Yes my brain is functioning pretty well, so are my eyes, putting the two together means every time I fill up at three dollars plus, sure shows that the Conservative Republicans have reduced the supply, by limiting the ability to refine fuel.

<<My quote
Ill tell you, its because Conservative Republicans, are looking out for one of their biggest campaign contributors.>>

Hmmmmmmmmmm, major mind read here. Please prove it!

OK

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http://www.exxposeexxon.com/ExxonMobil_politics.html

You can bet not much of that billion plus went to the Democrats.

Quote Omer

I sure don't follow you here. Is this logic Mr. Tree?

Well i,m not trying to confuse you, I?m blaming the conservative Republicans, the Bush Administration, in particular, for constricting the flow of oil, because they are not trying just a little bit, too get the refineries built, I know your following the party line, parroting that it is the environmentalist, anybody with a functioning g brain cell would know that when you control both houses of government you can get pretty well what you want, passed.

Quote Omer

Show me where President Bush cut aid to the poor, uninsured, hungry and homeless. That is a false statement. Same kinda carp George Soro's moveon.org spreads.


OK

Published on Wednesday, October 5, 2005 by the Associated Press
Congress Seeks to Cut Food Aid for Poor
by Libby Quaid

<<Under orders to cut agriculture spending by $3 billion, Republicans in Congress propose reducing food programs for the poor by $574 million and conservation programs by $1 billion, The Associated Press has learned.>>
<< The $574 million cut in food stamps would come from restricting access to this benefit for certain families that receive other government assistance. The restriction would shut an estimated 300,000 people out of the program.>>
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Quote Omer


Democrats n' Libs are clearly responsible for raising risks for domestic investment in the oil business. That is a fact that you may choose to ignore if you wish. Respectfully, JR


Looks too me that your engaging in a bit of mind reading yourself JR, You haven?t showed me any thing that has changed my mind that the Bush Administration isn?t behind the present run up in fuel prices. It is a masterful plan, as they can always say that they can?t do anything because of environmental reasons, but you can,t convince me an Administration that can go too war, on flawed evidence, Cant overcome some environmental regulations too get a refinery built.
 
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