Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

Haut Medoc

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I still prefer power boating....
& the "Robber Refineries" are trying to take that away through unfair business practices.....:(
I don't have a bankroll to finance a legion of private detectives to expose it....
& Dummy & Cheney aren't gonna send their minions to do jack....
So I will vote for the party that is willing to do something about it.......;) :)
 

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I still prefer power boating....
& the "Robber Refineries" are trying to take that away through unfair business practices.....:(
I don't have a bankroll to finance a legion of private detectives to expose it....
& Dummy & Cheney aren't gonna send their minions to do jack....
So I will vote for the party that is willing to do something about it.......;) :)

They may cut your gas bill, but your taxes will go up to more than make up the difference. Guess your ok with that, eh? :(

The only reason the republicans get more oil money is cause there isnt any oil in the democratic states.

Ken
 

OldMercsRule

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Bro Haut's stick poking is a real problem, (not his actions specifically here on iboats where most people get it, but the cumulative effect on most of the people in America who vote Democrat). He is just repeating what the MSM, Libs, n' Democrats say in their echo chambers. Haut is likely smart enough to know what he is doing, and likely so is Mr. Tree. Many Americans, (especially the ones who let their emotions totally rule them, learned all about homosexuality and how to 'feel good' in school, (but nothing else), and pay very little attention to much of anything else: most of the time), see the prices up, n' hear Hillary's intention to take all the oil companies profits, n' they get on the emotional band wagon. LETS DO SOMETHING!!! Grow the government!! If enough fools decide to punish the oil companies, and furthermore vote for the same people who caused the problem by limiting supply in the first place, we will be lucky to even have a domestic oil business (after they are done). Any business or industry is vulnerable to this kind of attack. It is foolishness beyond belief. IS LIBERALISM A MENTAL CONDITION? JR
 

Haut Medoc

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Well, the Fed gets to set interest rates....
(On a commodity that has an infinite supply).....
Why can't the Fed set refinery profit margins?
(Which apparently has a infinite supply).....:confused:
:D :D :D
 

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So the oil company should lower their prices for what reason?

They cant sell any more gasoline - they cant make it

Cant get any more market share - maybe a point or two for a while

With all the investment money in the US available, if you could build a refinery somewhere in the US they would. Period end of story.

sooooo

If they wanted to all the oil companies would have to do is go on a spending spree -eat up all the profits and this thread would die.

But i think they should save their money and invest it something profitable, oh wait that will get them in trouble if they invest to make yet more profits.

Should exxon build an island off the coast of NY - like the opec countries.
or
pay for everyones health care like cuba and venezuala
or
Let the US govt spend it wisely for the sake of all of us.


So I do not understand what they should DO with their $$.

Tomatolord
 

waterinthefuel

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Well, the Fed gets to set interest rates....
(On a commodity that has an infinite supply).....
Why can't the Fed set refinery profit margins?
(Which apparently has a infinite supply).....:confused:
:D :D :D


Good God almighty Haut, that's about the most socialistic thing that could come from your mouth.

Capitalism baby!! They sell a legal product legally. They are doing nothing wrong. You are basically a fish at the end of a hook, and although you are fighting with all your might, you can't break the line. So you whine and complain. The dems would love to make America a socialist republic. That's why we keep voting you people down. (before you start, the last election wasn't for the presidency, lets see how this country votes then) You're whackos with whacko thoughts and ideas, the same ones that brought down countries overseas. The democracy is the only type of government that has thrived, and democracy is.....get this.....people making choices for themselves, not the gov't doing it for them!! Maybe you don't have the brains to make your own choices and need daddy gov'ts help, but I do.

You have to think....althought that might be hard to do, that it wouldn't stop at refineries. Why not let the gov't set Wal-Mart's profit margin? Krogers? Chevy? Ford? Hell, set the profit margins for every damn company in this country. Then, nobody would want to invest in anything as no company has room for growth since they are held down by a glass ceiling. Of course then our stock markets would plunge in value and you'd bring this country to its knees, the long known ultimate goal of the democratic party.

You may be onto something there Bro Haut.
 

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:D
Good God almighty Haut, that's about the most socialistic thing that could come from your mouth.

Capitalism baby!! They sell a legal product legally. They are doing nothing wrong. You are basically a fish at the end of a hook, and although you are fighting with all your might, you can't break the line. So you whine and complain. The dems would love to make America a socialist republic. That's why we keep voting you people down. (before you start, the last election wasn't for the presidency, lets see how this country votes then) You're whackos with whacko thoughts and ideas, the same ones that brought down countries overseas. The democracy is the only type of government that has thrived, and democracy is.....get this.....people making choices for themselves, not the gov't doing it for them!! Maybe you don't have the brains to make your own choices and need daddy gov'ts help, but I do.

You have to think....althought that might be hard to do, that it wouldn't stop at refineries. Why not let the gov't set Wal-Mart's profit margin? Krogers? Chevy? Ford? Hell, set the profit margins for every damn company in this country. Then, nobody would want to invest in anything as no company has room for growth since they are held down by a glass ceiling. Of course then our stock markets would plunge in value and you'd bring this country to its knees, the long known ultimate goal of the democratic party.

You may be onto something there Bro Haut.


Water the gov does set margin's for the auto ind, it has only been 15 years since they have enforced MSRP's on trucks, i hate to say this but you guy's are incredibily nieve as to market force's. ......

Actually what big oil is now doing is called socialism, id suggest you do a bit more in the study on the subject..........
 

OldMercsRule

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:D


Water the gov does set margin's for the auto ind,

Where did you get this TG? You been nippin' PW2's or Rolmops' stash? The government does not directly set the margins for the auto industry!!!

it has only been 15 years since they have enforced MSRP's on trucks, i hate to say this but you guy's are incredibily nieve as to market force's. ......

The one thing you are demonstrating: TG is how well the union inspired government mandates do help an important domestic industry that faces world wide competition run. Notice the fine financial health of the Autos after a good bit of government meddling. Those who just don't care about trashing our system, or don't pay attention to the systemic losses that may benifit a few socialists in the power structure are the same ones calling for the government's envolvement in the awl bidness.

Actually what big oil is now doing is called socialism, id suggest you do a bit more in the study on the subject..........

TG, you are not makin' any sense here. Don't tell someone to study when your facts are as scrambled as the ones you put forth here are. Respectfully JR
 

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Hmmmmm.....
It seems the house voted Tuesday to allow the Gubmint to sue OPEC over oil-production quotas.....:D

I don't blame OPEC for the high domestic gas prices......:eek:
I blame the USAOT & the profiteering domestic refiners.....:mad:
I hope they take notice, 'cuz they are next....
Or should be.......;)
Almost forgot this:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1624659,00.html?xid=rss-topstories
 

OldMercsRule

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Hmmmmm.....
It seems the house voted Tuesday to allow the Gubmint to sue OPEC over oil-production quotas.....:D

I don't blame OPEC for the high domestic gas prices......:eek:
I blame the USAOT & the profiteering domestic refiners.....:mad:
I hope they take notice, 'cuz they are next....
Or should be.......;)
Almost forgot this:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1624659,00.html?xid=rss-topstories

Wonderfull, The do nothing congress can't come to grips with serious stuff, so they pass a 'feel good' law that will create an entire new legal industry identifying what 'price gouging' is, n' then 'price gouging' cops, 'price gouging' lawyers n' prosecuters, n' 'price gouging' prisons. Is Liberalism a mental illness??
 

Haut Medoc

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Not to worry, Murky.....
Duhbya won't let the mean ol' Dems take Cheney's windfall........;)
 

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The margin in the Time linc you provided looked veto proof ta me: Bro. See what ya get when ya stir the pot: Bro? I know yer just havin' fun, n' the iboats audience is relitively small, n' likely not impressed with yer arguments, (except ZmOz). Cheney is well set financially and near his retirement date in early 2009. The problem is: the rest of us. This silly law will do nothing meaningfull to deal with any real world problem: as you know very well. It will create more structure, (some new language defining what a price gouge is n' all) and taxpayer funded regulation and bureaucracy, n' the new army of government workers will likely reliably vote Democrat, which will lead to more worthless government structure. At some point it will become a real problem, (too many bureaucrats with their rule books), hard tellin' when, hope it is after I'm gone. JR ps: would ya like some minders lookin' over yer books fer a lil' gouging me Bro? Or is this only oil n' pharma ya have plans for? Once ya start this carp it does grow ya know: BRO!!!
 

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Please explain this comment! I can't wait!
I was going to make his breif, but i have decided to go slowly here debunking some myth's @ first then a litte drauma


The United States experienced a steep decline in refining capacity between 1981 and the mid-1990s. Between 1981 and 1989, the number of U.S. refineries fell from 324 to 204, representing a loss of 3 million bbl/d in operable capacity (from 18.6 million bbl/d to 15.7 million bbl/d), while refining capacity utilization increased from 69 percent to 87 percent. Much of the decline in U.S. refining capacity resulted from the 1981 deregulation (elimination of price controls and allocations), which effectively removed the major prop from underneath many marginally profitable, often smaller, refineries.
Refinery closures have continued since 1989, bringing the total number of operable U.S. refineries to 148 as of January 1, 2005. In general, refineries that have closed were relatively small and had less favorable economics than other refineries in their market area. Also, in recent years, some smaller, less-economic refineries that needed additional investments for environmental reasons in order to stay in business found closing preferable because they predicted that they could not stay competitive in the long term.
While some refineries have closed, and no new refineries have been built in nearly 30 years, many existing refineries have expanded their capacities. As a result of ?capacity creep," whereby existing refineries create additional refining capacity from the same physical structure, capacity per operating refinery increased by 28 percent over the 1990 to 1998 period. Overall, since the mid-1990s, U.S. refinery capacity has increased from 15.0 million bbl/d in 1994 to 17.1 million bbl/d in September 2004. As of November 4, 2005, utilization of operating capacity at U.S. refineries was averaging around 84 percent, down from 91 percent on September 16, 2005 following Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

For the past few decade's they have been shutting down reifnery's and not just a few

http://www.eoearth.org/article/Energy_profile_of_the_United_States
 

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I was going to make his breif, but i have decided to go slowly here debunking some myth's @ first then a litte drauma


The United States experienced a steep decline in refining capacity between 1981 and the mid-1990s. Between 1981 and 1989, the number of U.S. refineries fell from 324 to 204, representing a loss of 3 million bbl/d in operable capacity (from 18.6 million bbl/d to 15.7 million bbl/d), while refining capacity utilization increased from 69 percent to 87 percent. Much of the decline in U.S. refining capacity resulted from the 1981 deregulation (elimination of price controls and allocations), which effectively removed the major prop from underneath many marginally profitable, often smaller, refineries.
Refinery closures have continued since 1989, bringing the total number of operable U.S. refineries to 148 as of January 1, 2005. In general, refineries that have closed were relatively small and had less favorable economics than other refineries in their market area. Also, in recent years, some smaller, less-economic refineries that needed additional investments for environmental reasons in order to stay in business found closing preferable because they predicted that they could not stay competitive in the long term.
While some refineries have closed, and no new refineries have been built in nearly 30 years, many existing refineries have expanded their capacities. As a result of ?capacity creep," whereby existing refineries create additional refining capacity from the same physical structure, capacity per operating refinery increased by 28 percent over the 1990 to 1998 period. Overall, since the mid-1990s, U.S. refinery capacity has increased from 15.0 million bbl/d in 1994 to 17.1 million bbl/d in September 2004. As of November 4, 2005, utilization of operating capacity at U.S. refineries was averaging around 84 percent, down from 91 percent on September 16, 2005 following Hurricanes Katrina and Rita.

For the past few decade's they have been shutting down reifnery's and not just a few

http://www.eoearth.org/article/Energy_profile_of_the_United_States

Interesting TG, but it does not seem to resemble socialism. At least to a guy with only one brain cell!! :D:D:D JR
 

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Yea, tailgunner, when you spew forth "facts" like the ones OMR commented on, I don't think I need to study.

Who the hell cares if they shut down refineries? The refineries are private companies, they can do what the hell they want. They can shut down altogether and it still be legal. You're like a bird in a cage, you're caught and you can do nothing about it. Sorry, there are some things in life that even you don't have control over. Two of which are refinery closings and gas prices.

Your liberal viewpoints don't mean I'm an idiot, so I don't appreciate being called one. If you want to start insinuating that people who don't agree with you are idiots then I can take this up a notch, although doing so would risk my membership at Iboats.

I take it back, you aren't worth the time, nor the crap I'd get from JB telling me to be nice to my liberal bretheren.
 

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Holy carp. Is this little bun fight still going on.

OMR, I think I can find you a dead horse to flog, you will probably find it will be easier to teach it about how a capitalist system works in comparison to the knuckle draggers in this thread.
 
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