Bro Haut vs Oil part 2

OldMercsRule

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Yup!....
When they busted up Ma Bell the tooth gnashing & hand wringing was deafening!.....
Look what happened.....
I will say this:
Capitalism is a good principle....
One of it's tenants is fair competition.....;)

Hmmmmm, me Bro. Who defines fair? Queen Hillary? Does she pick who wins and who looses in her lil' collective society? What if nobody comes to play by her rules? Are ya prepared to have Zero privately financed n' owned domestic oil companies, (since they may all move off shore to avoid yer lil' socialist dream here), or do ya plan ta open a gulag, (or many gulags) for those who won't play by the Queen's Socialist rules? Does that go fer Big Pharma, n' Tobacco n' Insurance too? I know ya want Big Government oil, do ya want Big Government Pharma, et al? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm I say! :D:D

Smite the OIL BARONS I say....
Even Rockefeller tried to buy a stairway to heaven when he realized he was a short timer.....:)

Be carefull for what ya wish for here Bro, there is enough poorly informed people out there to potentially pull this off, I seriously doubt the outcome would make ya real happy as yer likely funnin' with all of us. Plus, we need to learn to pray to Mecca five time a day, as Hillary wants a surender prior to assending to her rightfull place as our ruler. Doubt you'd like that very much. Haut Mohamed Medoc I say!!!
 

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No!...
I do not seek Ayahtollah status......
I do like the fact that the threat of government intervention into BIG OIL has Brought them back to reason.....
I will say this:
Cornsumption of fuel is like a narcotic.....
It is pleasurable.....
But....
Gotta go!.....
I'll finish later.....:)
 

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Ohhh Profit you say: Now here's come's a good old hypothectical situation, you walk into a car dealership and you want say a escort, due to the current gas inflation and due to the limited supply on hand you have to pay a 5000.00 additonal dealer markup........... and by the way you also have to pay a 2% point increase above your bank's stated prime rate, hell i dont care what your bank advertise's this is what you pay here, by the way no check's or cashier checks.... a contract or or cash dont like it go down the road,,, it's the same everywhere...... ohh there is no world competion .......:D Toyota, Nissian, Subaru they cannot do business here in the US,

Sound a little crazy....chit it's only business the way i like it, no competition, larceny and greed true amercian value's.... Ohh and just try to send your local Attourney general my way, ill have the US Attourney general tell him to not restrict business or price control's


Now that is true capitalism, yet he has not adressed it nor will he, or perhap's he might........... you do ya think OMR??? HMMM....;)


OMR what is your response to this, a yea or nea, this is kinda like Rosie do you want to win or not. state your opinion plz.......
 

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RPJS, from the looks of it, its not only Haut replying to himself, looks like TG caught the bug too!
 

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Ohhh Profit you say: Now here's come's a good old hypothectical situation, you walk into a car dealership and you want a say a escort, due to the current gas inflation and due to the limited supply on hand you have to pay a 5000.00 additonal dealer markup........... and by the way you also have to pay a 2% point increase above your bank's stated prime rate, hell i dont care what your bank advertise's this is what you pay here, by the way no check's or cashier checks.... a contract or or cash dont like it go down the road,,, it's the same everywhere...... ohh there is no world competion .......:D Toyota, Nissian, Subaru they cannot do business here in the US,

TG I'm responding per yer second request. I chose not to respond earlier as what you label a "hypothectical situation" is what I call a "straw man" argument that Liberials typically create to establish sympathy for some sort of victimhood issue that they want to grow the government to solve, (at your and my expense). BTW, the government never solves problems of the lowest common denominator it just makes society much less efficient by handicapping the most efficient or productive. I don't think you are a Liberial, but we all can fall for their vistimhood ploys when we aren't thinkin' or when we are mad about high fuel prices, as this victimhood carp permeates the media. The scenario you present is no reason to handicap the rest of society that don't choose to put themselves in that kind of spot. I don't ever walk into a dealership and bend over, nor do I let my kids or friends, (if I have influance) do that. When I buy a car I don't complicate the transaction and worsen my negotiating position by not pre arranging financing prior to walking onto the lot. Those who are sloppy enough to do that last minute stuff desirve the financial beating they get and I don't want to bail them out. First: ya buy fuel efficient things when fuel prices are low and gas guzzlers, (if ya want one) when fuel prices are high to take advantage of the people who act like the scenerio you stated. I have been buying black boat anchors lately for that very reason, when the economy slows, (as appears to be happining) the price of fuel, (relative to all things will drop or we will get used to it), then you buy what you should have already owned n' sell the guzzlers ya acquired for top $. Socialists always seem to want a system that is dumbed down to the lowest denominator, and then they can hook the idiots who need it as future dependents to keep 'em under corntrol.

Sound a little crazy....chit it's only business the way i like it, no competition, larceny and greed true amercian value's.... Ohh and just try to send your local Attourney general my way, ill have the US Attourney general tell him to not restrict business or price control's

TG, yer prose are hard fer me to follow. This is a victimnhood screed. If ya wanna by a good Liberal keep it up. Cornservatives do whin from time to time, (but it is very unbecomming). No competioion? You talking car dealers or what? Why can't you pay cash and buy from the classifieds? There are always stupid people who get abused. Try not to be one of 'em. N' if ya can't help it collect food stamps n' stand on street corners n' panhandle.


Now that is true capitalism, yet he has not adressed it nor will he, or perhap's he might........... you do ya think OMR??? HMMM....;)

Capitalism works because everyone is looking out for themselves. Some people just never get it and will constantly be in troublesome spots. Ignore them, donate to your church and encourage your church to help them, don't model society to take from productive people to solve dim wits problems. Liberals Democrats n' cornfusted wobbly Republicans or part time Cornservatives or RINOs do that kind of carp. Very similar to my reply to ZmOz. Hope this was what you were looking for. JR
 

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OMR you are well founded and gifted in your response, however the theory of a straw pruchse you eluded to has in infact been done many time's over the course of year's, i was there and it was very real, but we did not change the entire american indrustry, you know cars,plane's,farming,palstic's,health care, and chemical's nor did we inflate the econ to the point the fed stepped in and raised rates to stop inflation, thus causing a recession in the housing ind.

You yourself could not accept the stark reality of capitalism in your face, thank god we as a public are a bit more educated (as to buying car's) and have the government on our side is such affair's

However you overlooked one dynamic, you cant arrange your own financing and there is no competion and you have to pay or not drive. That is what the oil compain's are now doing to the american public. Only we are not that well versed in the affair's of buying gas actually we have no choice in it, there are no state attourney general's that will look into price gouging nor a US attorney general who will.

Imagine if you will that General Motor's or Ford came out and stated to the public that if the government got involve in pricing there would be a shortage of car's..:D
 

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OMR you are well founded and gifted in your response, however the theory of a straw pruchse you eluded to has in infact been done many time's over the course of year's, i was there and it was very real, but we did not change the entire american indrustry, you know cars,plane's,farming,palstic's,health care, and chemical's nor did we inflate the econ to the point the fed stepped in and raised rates to stop inflation, thus causing a recession in the housing ind.

You yourself could not accept the stark reality of capitalism in your face, thank god we as a public are a bit more educated (as to buying car's) and have the government on our side is such affair's

However you overlooked one dynamic, you cant arrange your own financing and there is no competion and you have to pay or not drive.

TG, I agree that some corntrols of raw capitalism need to be in place, (as they are today). Teddy Roosevelt helped put a stop to the Rockefeller/Carnagie/Vanderbuilt barrons' conduct. I have always paid cash for my cars. (I may have let other debts I have pile up elsewhere to acquire the necessary cash to make the purchase.) I have never 'traded in' a car, I sell it myself, (never out of desparation). I believe in having maximum power on my side when I negotiate the purchace of a car, (and if you have a simple transaction based on the condition of the car and price you are willing to pay: and you can hammer out a good deal). If I have the money and someone wants to sell a car, all the power is on my side. If I can't afford a car: I would live close to work and a grocery store or a busline. I don't want the government to get involved with victimhood here.

That is what the oil compain's are now doing to the american public. Only we are not that well versed in the affair's of buying gas actually we have no choice in it, there are no state attourney general's that will look into price gouging nor a US attorney general who will.

TG: OIL IS A WORLD WIDE COMMODITY WELL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF ANY EXISTING GOVERNMENT. If you look to create a modern Teddy Roosevlet, (we produced most of the world's oil in that era), you will just drive our domestic private companies off shore. The solution is change yer habbits to cornsume less oil if ya don't like payin' the price. Collectively that action will reduce price.

Imagine if you will that General Motor's or Ford came out and stated to the public that if the government got involve in pricing there would be a shortage of car's..:D

TG: the government did get envolved in the late 1960s and our once powerfull domestic auto industry is now on life support. That is something to ponder PRIOR to encouraging BIG GOVERNMENT to run BIG OIL. People that repeatedly make the same mistake: Liberal Democrats seem to be: #1 too dense to get it, #2 irrational, (#3 have the likely objective of having power over all aspects of yer totally dependent on nanny government life) or #4 insane. I think #3 is the most likely explanation, how 'bout you? JR
 

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TG: the government did get envolved in the late 1960s and our once powerfull domestic auto industry is now on life support. That is something to ponder PRIOR to encouraging BIG GOVERNMENT to run BIG OIL. People that repeatedly make the same mistake: Liberal Democrats seem to be: #1 too dense to get it, #2 irrational, (#3 have the likely objective of having powere over all aspects of yer life) or #4 insane. I think #3 is the most likely explanation, how 'bout you? JR


;) Omr i take it we can agree to disagree here... Now why is the auto business in trouble?? Maybe due to the fact of gas going south again driven by....im not going to say it..

Ohh and Wallstreet devaluating Ford, (didnt like the low APR's they gave to the public) or a combination of the two........or had GM not bitten the Delphi bullet and if had Ford dodged Jack Nassar...naw i pointing a finger at big oil...;)

36.5 billion it came from somewhere...;) Governmet run big oil.......notta just some check's and balance's........imagine pro sport's without referee's.... now dont go saying oil is professional enough they dont need them..
 

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;) Omr i take it we can agree to disagree here... Now why is the auto business in trouble?? Maybe due to the fact of gas going south again driven by....im not going to say it..

Then 'splain why Toyota n' Honda are dominating the Auto business. Never said any Industry does not have it's chalanges. The wiz kids at GM and Ford should have had a fuel efficient well made car as part of their portfolio of offerings. The fact is Government intervention in business has never worked over the long term. Capitalism does sort things out very efficiently, n' it looks like America does not want to do what it takes to compete and produce autos anymore. Please stop thinking of excuses for victimhood: TG That all said: yer right we shall agree to disagree.

Ohh and Wallstreet devaluating Ford, (didnt like the low APR's they gave to the public) or a combination of the two........or had GM not bitten the Delphi bullet and if had Ford dodged Jack Nassar...naw i pointing a finger at big oil...;)

Wallstreet, (BIG MONEY), tends to punnish foolishness promptly. When ya have a very weak balence sheet financing subsidies to sell items that arn't selling n' guzzel lots o' fuel can be fatal, n' the 'street' knows that.

36.5 billion it came from somewhere...;) Governmet run big oil.......notta just some check's and balance's........imagine pro sport's without referee's.... now dont go saying oil is professional enough they dont need them..

Teddy Roosevelt gave capitalism plenty of checks, n' ya can't balence BIG GOVERNMENT any other way then a strong Cornstatution, (not one that is "living and breathing" that ya use tyrants dressed in black robes give ya the flavor of the day). Respectfully, JR
 

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Then 'splain why Toyota n' Honda are dominating the Auto business. Never said any Industry does not have it's chalanges. The wiz kids at GM and Ford should have had a fuel efficient well made car as part of their portfolio of offerings. The fact is Government intervention in business has never worked over the long term. Capitalism does sort things out very efficiently, n' it looks like America does not want to do what it takes to compete and produce autos anymore. Please stop thinking of excuses for victimhood: TG That all said: yer right we shall agree to disagree.

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Teddy Roosevelt gave capitalism plenty of checks, n' ya can't balence BIG GOVERNMENT any other way then a strong Cornstatution, (not one that is "living and breathing" that ya use tyrants dressed in black robes give ya the flavor of the day). Respectfully, JR

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:D

This is a bit like big oil, say something and then retract it.....
 

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I’m beginning to think its about time for the last rites for this thread…???:confused:;)
 

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He's on the ropes......
The collusion is evident from the dropping gas prices...
BIG GUBMINT will act when there is a runaway......
The refiners got notice to quit their shenanigans.......;)
They will corntinue to squeeze every last bit they can while staying just on the correct side of collusion.....;):)
 

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Well looks like “Haut” stuck in the ventilator tube, I guess the patient will make it, we can expect a IV of “purple pixels” soon.:eek:
 

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TG: OIL IS A WORLD WIDE COMMODITY WELL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF ANY EXISTING GOVERNMENT. If you look to create a modern Teddy Roosevlet, (we produced most of the world's oil in that era), you will just drive our domestic private companies off shore. The solution is change yer habbits to cornsume less oil if ya don't like payin' the price. Collectively that action will reduce price.

OMr you have lost it there, no business is beyond a governing body. Any oil company founded in the United States was done so by the blood sweat and tear's of american worker's, along with our court system's, bank's, health care, military, banking system's, automotive ind, chemical ind........... atcually the entire american social econmoic system.

They can easly be confiscated or better said the current power's that run this " business independent of any world government" just be taken out of power and replaced with better mind's, mind's that understand there true place in a economic structure.

A world commidity beyond reapproach, for the luv of business where the hell are you coming from.


Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

Have you gone that far out there.......:confused:




[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you owned a bank, common sense would tell you that you can't let your tellers enter the vault without supervision. If you ran a pharmacy, you wouldn't give your employees unfettered access to the drugs. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Although the overwhelming majority of people are honest, fair and trustworthy, the average person simply can't be put into a position in which he has great authority and the power to act in complete secrecy. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Imagine that you're managing a grocery store, but you don't require your clerks to reconcile the count in their drawers at the end of each shift. You trust them. They're good people who have been with you a long time, and you don't think you need to watch them closely. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In this type of structure, it's just a matter of time before one of them takes some money out of the till. There will come a day when one of them ends up in a desperate situation (e.g., his car is about to be repossessed or a family member falls ill) and he'll reluctantly decide to give himself a short-term loan. The first time, he might even repay the money. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But a few weeks or months later, he'll give himself another loan, and then another. Yes, he's wrong for stealing, but part of it is your fault for setting him up for failure. You simply can't give people access to the money and then turn your back. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Most of us understand that strict procedures and regular supervision are among the basic building blocks of a successful business, but for some reason, we fail to see that the same infrastructure is required to run a successful political system. [/FONT]

CHECK AND BALANCE'S OMR, WHAT IF ANY SYSTEM COULD BE HEALTHY WITHOUT THEM.
 

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So, yer sayin' that their thirst for obscene profit is not sacrosanct?......:D
 

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TG: OIL IS A WORLD WIDE COMMODITY WELL OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF ANY EXISTING GOVERNMENT. If you look to create a modern Teddy Roosevlet, (we produced most of the world's oil in that era), you will just drive our domestic private companies off shore. The solution is change yer habbits to cornsume less oil if ya don't like payin' the price. Collectively that action will reduce price.

OMr you have lost it there, no business is beyond a governing body.

Hmmmmmmm TG, I guess ya need to tell me how things work in yer world cause that's not how they work in this world. Maybe you've heard of OPEC: TG. How could OPEC happen in the post Teddy Roosevelt world if: "no business is beyond a governing body". If this is yer level of understanding I can see why you make the unfounded arguments you do.

Any oil company founded in the United States was done so by the blood sweat and tear's of american worker's, along with our court system's, bank's, health care, military, banking system's, automotive ind, chemical ind........... atcually the entire american social econmoic system.

They can easly be confiscated

Hmmmmmmm, TG this is not the USSR under Lenin. Please read the 5th amendment to the US Cornstatution. Ya wanna start a revolution just try to do what you just stated. That is why most Cornservatives were so upset at the takings decision in 6/2005 about public domain.

or better said the current power's that run this " business independent of any world government" just be taken out of power and replaced with better mind's, mind's that understand there true place in a economic structure.

A world commidity beyond reapproach, for the luv of business where the hell are you coming from.

I'm an informed American citizen who understands business and the US Cornstatution and the current world legal system. It is possible under emergancy powers to force some things short term. It is also possible to errect laws that make it nearly impossible to do business in America so the companies simply move off shore. Do you really think the US can regulate foriegn nations TG? I'm stunned you would say this. You must be joking.


Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

Have you gone that far out there.......:confused:

If ya say so, it must be true: TG. Ya think PW2 or Rolmops slipped me some smoke?


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]If you owned a bank, common sense would tell you that you can't let your tellers enter the vault without supervision. If you ran a pharmacy, you wouldn't give your employees unfettered access to the drugs. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Although the overwhelming majority of people are honest, fair and trustworthy, the average person simply can't be put into a position in which he has great authority and the power to act in complete secrecy. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Imagine that you're managing a grocery store, but you don't require your clerks to reconcile the count in their drawers at the end of each shift. You trust them. They're good people who have been with you a long time, and you don't think you need to watch them closely. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In this type of structure, it's just a matter of time before one of them takes some money out of the till. There will come a day when one of them ends up in a desperate situation (e.g., his car is about to be repossessed or a family member falls ill) and he'll reluctantly decide to give himself a short-term loan. The first time, he might even repay the money. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]But a few weeks or months later, he'll give himself another loan, and then another. Yes, he's wrong for stealing, but part of it is your fault for setting him up for failure. You simply can't give people access to the money and then turn your back.

Hmmmm, I'm not sure where this came from and how it relates to the topic at hand but ya think it's the fault of the owner if someone steals? Wow, that's what Democrats n' Liberals say: TG. I'm speechless.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Most of us understand that strict procedures and regular supervision are among the basic building blocks of a successful business, but for some reason, we fail to see that the same infrastructure is required to run a successful political system. [/FONT]

CHECK AND BALANCE'S OMR, WHAT IF ANY SYSTEM COULD BE HEALTHY WITHOUT THEM.

Political systems like the Cornsatutional Republic we live in don't work that way. William Jefferson can take a well documented bribe that is clearly against the law and Democrats which seem to luv that type of conduct are free to and actually did reelect Mr. Jefferson after his well documented crime. He is serving with distinction in Nancy Peloski's Congress until he is forced to go to jail for his crime. We don't live under absolute power in this Country: TG. We all have rights and a degree of free agency. There are Cornsequences if we break laws, (much more delayed n' possibly celibrated if you are a Democrat). I don't know if yer jus' pullin' me chain here TG; just to see how long we can string this thread out. JR
 
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