Chine walking

[Renny_D]

Took my bayliner out yesterday with the full complement of family. At speed I made a turn - the boat turned great but after the turn the boat stayed over on the chine and would not right itself. I had to get everyone over to the other side of the boat before it would come back. The boat is an 86 17 cuddy cabin with the 85 hp outboard. I'm hoping that trim tabs will fix this. Has anyone run into this before? I've heard this is common on bayliners and I remember experiencing this on a 26 ft bayliner before. You had to use the trim tabs to put it back on it's feet after hard turns. What is it about the bayliner hull that causes this?

Thanks
Renny

 

[Renny_D]

Re: Chine walking

Ok I just bought the smart tabs for it. Where have folks placed them on their boats - 86 17 ft Capri Cuddy with an 85 hp force.

Thanks
Renny

 

[gcboat]

Re: Chine walking

You're kidding me - they didn't send you any install info?

 

[Renny_D]

Re: Chine walking

You're kidding me - they didn't send you any install info?

No I just bought it via the internet yesterday. I won't have them Just wondering where people have put them on bay liners as far as how far out from the center.

Thanks
Renny

 

[Renny_D]

Re: Chine walking

I just downloaded the manual and they don't really say anywhere in the instructions how far out from center it should be placed. I think I'll need to go out and see what is still in the water and planing speed. I would imagine that the farther outboard I go the better. Does any one have pics of their install?

Thanks
Renny

 

[BAYLINER185]

Re: Chine walking

The tim tabs on my 2755 cruiser are at the very edges of the hull. They dont go past the width of the boat, they are right at the edge even with the hull and go width wise tward the the stern drive......

Attached is a picture for placement...

 

[Mark42]

Re: Chine walking

I have a 1985 Capri cuddy with the 85 hp Force. When I cut a tight turn, if I let go of the wheel, the boat rights itself. Your boat is almost exactly the same as mine, just 1 foot longer. I suspect there is something wrong with the steering cable. It is binding, and most likely needs to be replaced. Get the QC II cable, its about $77 at discount boating outlets. Have a few friends over because the motor weighs about 300lbs and you need to remove it to get the cable off/on.

 

[Renny_D]

Re: Chine walking

The tim tabs on my 2755 cruiser are at the very edges of the hull. They dont go past the width of the boat, they are right at the edge even with the hull and go width wise tward the the stern drive......

Attached is a picture for placement...

Thanks I took the boat out this weekend and at full speed the whole edge of the transom touches water so I'm doing just like your drawing and going all the way out to the edges.

I have a 1985 Capri cuddy with the 85 hp Force. When I cut a tight turn, if I let go of the wheel, the boat rights itself. Your boat is almost exactly the same as mine, just 1 foot longer. I suspect there is something wrong with the steering cable. It is binding, and most likely needs to be replaced. Get the QC II cable, its about $77 at discount boating outlets. Have a few friends over because the motor weighs about 300lbs and you need to remove it to get the cable off/on.

I'm not sure how the cable would be involved as the wheel/motor centers but the boat was staying over on one side like it was still in a turn. I did tilt the motor further out on the second to the last hole, the boat takes a bit longer to get on plane but it is not so sensitive to where people are in the boat as it was. I'm looking at a electric trim set up at a local boat salvage place and may go that route.

Thanks for the feed back. Any more pictures of others install would be perfect.

Thanks
Renny

 

[FusionFrank]

Re: Chine walking

Here they are installed on my 1997 1950 Capri. I am still getting them dialed in, but so far they are everything promised.

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[Renny_D]

Re: Chine walking

Here they are installed on my 1997 1950 Capri. I am still getting them dialed in, but so far they are everything promised.

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Thanks that's perfect. Thanks for posting the pic. I'll be putting them in the same location.

Renny

 

[FusionFrank]

Re: Chine walking

Thanks that's perfect. Thanks for posting the pic. I'll be putting them in the same location.

Renny

No problem, I am sure you will be very happy with them. They really do make a huge difference. Frank​

 

[BAYLINER185]

Re: Chine walking

RENNY D

The pic FRANK posted is HOW they are on my 2755 cruiser.... My little drawing is good but in the pic you can see that they are just in closer together then my drawing. Just inside of where the hull "rolls" over to the outside if you understand what Im saying.

I don?t think there will be ill effects if you go further out but when I looked at my cruiser last night I saw that they were just in side of that curvature at the very edges of the hull like Franks Pic!

Good luck Trim tabs make a HUGE difference and really will get your boat leveled out in a hurry! Be carefully when you 1st use them as they have dramatic effects very quickly when under way / on plain!

 

[Mark42]

Re: Chine walking

Before spending money on a fix, I think you should find out why the boat is leaning in the first place. It didn't do it when it was new, and it shouldn't do it now.

Are you sure that the boat is loaded evenly?

Is it possable there is water under the floor or saturated foam?

Is water draining/changing location in the bilge when turning that causes a continued lean?

If you counter steer, will it straighten up?

Did anyone make changes to the boat, adding live wells, more batteries, etc?

Is the skeg broken or bent?

Is the trim tab on the motor set up correctly?

Is the hull clean or covered with growth?

I hate to see you spend money without at least knowing why the boat is not handling correctly.

 

[Renny_D]

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Before spending money on a fix, I think you should find out why the boat is leaning in the first place. It didn't do it when it was new, and it shouldn't do it now.

Are you sure that the boat is loaded evenly?

Is it possable there is water under the floor or saturated foam?

Is water draining/changing location in the bilge when turning that causes a continued lean?

If you counter steer, will it straighten up?

Did anyone make changes to the boat, adding live wells, more batteries, etc?

Is the skeg broken or bent?

Is the trim tab on the motor set up correctly?

Is the hull clean or covered with growth?

I hate to see you spend money without at least knowing why the boat is not handling correctly.

I got the tabs on and the boat lists less. I am thinking it may be due to the prop? Is that possible. I asked in the prop forum - the prop I am turning is an inch bigger in diameter but steeper than the original prop. I notice it lists more the faster I go. Also just moving people around will level the boat out. As to your other questions:


Are you sure that the boat is loaded evenly?
Most of the load is people and they tend to move around some what I can get the boat level at cruise by having people move to the right locations.


Is it possable there is water under the floor or saturated foam?
Their could be saturated foam, I hope not but I don't think it is responsibile for this as the boat sits level at rest or idling forward

Is water draining/changing location in the bilge when turning that causes a continued lean? I don't think so - there is hardly any water when I pull it out and open the drain plug. Usually there is a little over splash out of the splash well.

If you counter steer, will it straighten up? Some

Did anyone make changes to the boat, adding live wells, more batteries, etc? Change in the prop that I mentioned earlier. Otherwise no.

Is the skeg broken or bent? Skeg? Not sure what you are talking about with that one.


Is the trim tab on the motor set up correctly? Yes there is no Torque steer so it must be working.

Is the hull clean or covered with growth? Nope clean trailer queen.

Thanks
Renny

 

[Mark42]

Re: Chine walking

Time to check the bottom of the hull for a "hook". Thats a dip or distortion in the shape of the hull that will cause the boat to handle differently. This can be checked by running a string along the bottom from transom to bow and look for dips or bulges in the hull.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

Re: Chine walking

Time to check the bottom of the hull for a "hook". Thats a dip or distortion in the shape of the hull that will cause the boat to handle differently. This can be checked by running a string along the bottom from transom to bow and look for dips or bulges in the hull.

Like Mark has said, it did not do this new and it should not do it now without some kind of problem and again as Mark says, I suspect a soft spot in the hull causing it to hook when you turn.
BTW, the skeg is the very bottom of your lower unit that looks like a shark's fin turned upside down. If it is bent or broke, it will cause this also.

 

[Mark42]

Re: Chine walking

I've heard this is common on bayliners and I remember experiencing this on a 26 ft bayliner before. You had to use the trim tabs to put it back on it's feet after hard turns. What is it about the bayliner hull that causes this?

BTW, I have been reading these forums for 6 years now, and even with the occassional Bayliner Bashing, I never heard this problem before. In fact, one of Bayliners best features are their outstanding performing hulls.

Just wondering if someone is filling your head with anti-Bayliner propaganda???

At any rate, your boat has a problem, and you have your work cut out to figure out what it is.

The fact that trim tabs did not eliminate the problem entirely shows that you need to find the cause, then apply a fix, not the other way around.

I'm wondering if your boat has a rotten stringer that is collapsing under stress and causing a hook and therefore this leaning problem?

Have you checked out the skeg yet?

Have you checked the hull for straigntness with a string?

How does the boat handle with just you in it?

Just wondering what is the latest.

 

[240sx4u]

Re: Chine walking

I had the exact symptoms you speak of, and my hull has a hook in it (Hadn't realized what was going on until reading the forums). I have a different boat (chrysler) just trying to help.

Chances are you can see the hook when its on a trailer.

Evan

 

[Renny_D]

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I haven't had the boat out since then but I'm going out this week so I'll let you know. I didn't have time to do the string test but I did sight along the hull and there didn't seem to be any major distortion. I did see an indentation along the gunwal on the port side. I'll post back after the trip - thanks for all the suggestions.

Renny