Democrates in violation of Logan Act

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Just so we all know what is on your mind, why don't you just spit it out, then we might have something to discuss.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Sorry, I thought I already spelled it out. Here, let me repeat myself. H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E.

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Ahhh... I see you edited your post. I don't remember Reagan being convicted of anything, do you? Or is this some conspiracy theory you have. Please stick to verifiable facts.

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Like I said, "Plausible Deniability." That was one of the big catch-phrases compliments of the Reagan era.

 

[snapperbait]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

I kinda likened this to picking gnat $h!t out of pepper....

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Like I said, "Plausible Deniability." That was one of the big catch-phrases compliments of the Reagan era.

That's been a working tool of Government since we first started to have them.

No "plausible deniability” with the violations of the Logan Act that this thread is about.

Do you have a valid argument here? Or are you just throwing stuff at the wall to see if it will stick?

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

"The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization."

The negotiations took place before RR took office. Did Carter Okay it? He!! No! It wasn't for the good of the nation, it was for the good of Ronald Reagan. Was it his idea? I doubt it. But he certainly had to give his Okay. Was George Senior behind it? Almost certainly. He had been head of the CIA after all. Who better to arrange the connections necessary. Poor ol' Ollie was a patriot for his part IMHO because he felt it was in the interest of the country. He was following orders. But when Impeachment loomed large late in the Reagan Administration, they hung him out to dry. So let's not split hairs over acknowledgements by brave men vs men who cower behind their underlings.

Jimmy Carter, Colin Powell, and Sam Nunn could've beeen nailed for this too. Remember when Clinton was beating the war drum over Haiti and General Cedras who refused to concede to the lawfully elected President? All they did was prevent a war. The planes were in the air and Nunn, Powell, and Carter saved a lot of lives. So let's hang them too, eh? ( Personally I think it was all going on with Clinton's blessing, but that was never divulged or admitted. )

 

[treedancer]

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HHMmm, Wonder why there is not the outcry over Specter going to Syria ?

Specter, R-Pa., said in an interview late Friday that he is planning a trip to the Middle East that will include Israel and Syria. The senator said he and other Republicans are concerned that the administration's policies in the Middle East are not working and that other GOP members may follow in his footsteps.
"I've talked to my Republican colleagues, and there is a disquiet here," Specter said.

Now that were talking about abuse of the laws of the United States, lets go into the “door now that it has been opened” shall we?

Where is the outrage from the law abiding "right" on dockside, about our rights being slowly taken away .

Why, did the White House circumvent a law passed by Congress, the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires intelligence services to obtain search warrants before intercepting international communications inside the United States?

Gonzales came under tough questioning from four of the 10 Republican senators on the Judiciary Committee, including its chairman, Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania.

Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a conservative Republican, called that argument "very dangerous in terms of its application to the future. When I voted for it, I never envisioned that I was giving to this president or any other president the ability to go around FISA Carte blanche.

Of course we have given up our habeas corpus rights, so we might as well spy on our citizens shouldn’t we?

If you set a pot of water to boil, and drop the “frog/citizen” in once the water's good and hot, the “frog/citizen” will jump right out again and escape. The right way to boil a “frog/citizen” is to pop him in the water while it's still cold. The “frog/citizen” is feeling happy, swimming around in his new cool pool, not a worry in the world. Then gradually... bit-by-bit, start to turn up the heat. Not too fast, mind you - increase the temperature just a fraction at a time, and make sure that the “frog/citizen” is completely used to the slightly higher temperature before you raise it again. Patiently continue to increase the heat, degree by degree... my point??? This is what’s happening to our Constitution, bit by unnoticeable bit, nibbling away so it is almost unnoticeable.

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Again, what proof? So far this is just a conspiracy theory and has nothing to do with the recent violation of the Logan Act by numerous Democrats.

 

[BoatBuoy]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

treedancer, you may not have noticed but, if you don't include references, bibliography, and footnotes to every post, Capt. Crunch will tell you there's no credibility in your post.

 

[Bondo]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Well,........

I can see a Pretty Big Difference between Planning a trip,...............
And,
Just getting Back from a trip.............

 

[Plainsman]

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"Where is the outrage from the law abiding "right" on dockside, about our rights being slowly taken away ."
What rights have you lost? Please be specific.

"Why, did the White House circumvent a law passed by Congress, the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires intelligence services to obtain search warrants before intercepting international communications inside the United States? "

Exactly what law has been broken?

"Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, a conservative Republican, called that argument "very dangerous in terms of its application to the future. When I voted for it, I never envisioned that I was giving to this president or any other president the ability to go around FISA Carte blanche."

That was on the your list to who you voted for? Deep thought I guess.

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Yup, and I'll bet if a Republican goes, he or she will go with permission, not in defiance of The President.

 

[jtexas]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

whose authority did they need?

The President of The United States. He, and he alone is in charge of US Foreign Policy.... It's in The Constitution.

hmmm. And yet, they haven't been charged. Maybe the President isn't as familiar with the intracacies of the law as we here on the iboats legal staff. Have you contacted him about this oversight?

Help me out here. Did the president approve of these meetings or has he failed to execute the duties of his office?


[appropos of nothing, was Democrates related to Socrates? ]

 

[WillyBWright]

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There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. You obviously can fool some of the people all of the time. Do you guys need a bibliography to recognize those statements, though somewhat paraphrased? Truth oft falls upon deaf ears. Meanst thou that Truth should not be spoke? Nay, because of they that will hear it and know it as such.

 

[crunch]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Help me out here. Did the president approve of these meetings

As far as was reported, The President specifically disapproved of the meetings.

or has he failed to execute the duties of his office?

Now you'll have to help me out... what specific duties?

 

[jtexas]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Help me out here. Did the president approve of these meetings

As far as was reported, The President specifically disapproved of the meetings.

or has he failed to execute the duties of his office?

Now you'll have to help me out... what specific duties?

to uphold the laws and the constitution of the United States of America. If these citizens have committed treason then does the president not have a duty to see them brought to justice?

 

[WillyBWright]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Since when did Dubya pay any attention to the Constitution?

I'm still trying to figure out who this Democrates dude is. Any relation to Damocles or Socrates?

 

[POINTER94]

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I wish he would run them up the flag pole, but this kinder gentler, administration would rather we give them a pass. Just imagine how the liberals would come off their rockers talking about everything but the specific offense like say the past dozen posts.

 

[Plainsman]

Re: Democrates in violation of Logan Act

Since when did Dubya pay any attention to the Constitution?

I'm still trying to figure out who this Democrates dude is. Any relation to Damocles or Socrates?

Please be specific to when he didn't.