Docking with twin I/Os

Thalasso

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Re: Docking with twin I/Os

One thing someone told me early on that really helped, especially when having to think quickly, was imagine a set of parentheses around your controls. This, of course, works best if you have combined shifters and throttles.

That is the best way
 

Lyle29464

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Re: Docking with twin I/Os

When I take some one out by myself I require that they know how to run the boat. My instructions are very long and complex.

Ok here is instruction number 1 Put you hands on the gear shifts and pretend like your behind the boat with a hand on each stern cleat. 2. push or pull how you would like the boat to go. 3. Have a beer.
 

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^^^ Also good ^^^ I like that and the 'parentheses' analogy.

Just to show there's no substitute for practice, I had my first experience on Friday at the new summer dock, where for the first time I'll be backing into a slip all season, with boats on both sides of me. I've spent the last 4 years docking broadside to a bulhead.

Anyway, 25 knot east wind gusting to 40, blowing directly into the slip. Yikes! I abandoned the first approach soon as I saw I was screwed (always a good decision, IMO), and came around iagain. Unfortunately, things didn't get any better on the second try, and she really got away from me. Pure dumb luck that I didn't damage the 2 boats I hit (or mine), and my friend Mike and I wound up mostly hauling the boat into the slip with boat hooks, pushing, pulling, and a lot of cursing.

I definitely have some work to do.
 

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Very good advice,fireman. When my wife wanted to run our 42 fter, i went out in open water,then threw a floating object out an then let her practice backing to it over and over. She finnaly got very good at backing into boathouse.
 

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^^^ Also good ^^^ I like that and the 'parentheses' analogy.

Just to show there's no substitute for practice, I had my first experience on Friday at the new summer dock, where for the first time I'll be backing into a slip all season, with boats on both sides of me. I've spent the last 4 years docking broadside to a bulhead.

Anyway, 25 knot east wind gusting to 40, blowing directly into the slip. Yikes! I abandoned the first approach soon as I saw I was screwed (always a good decision, IMO), and came around iagain. Unfortunately, things didn't get any better on the second try, and she really got away from me. Pure dumb luck that I didn't damage the 2 boats I hit (or mine), and my friend Mike and I wound up mostly hauling the boat into the slip with boat hooks, pushing, pulling, and a lot of cursing.

I definitely have some work to do.

Don't feel bad. A 25 knot wind will make things difficult for many seasoned boaters. And the wind directly into the slip, even tougher. If your prevailing winds are that direction, your going to need to learn to handle it, but you will after a little practice.
 

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Don't feel bad. A 25 knot wind will make things difficult for many seasoned boaters. And the wind directly into the slip, even tougher. If your prevailing winds are that direction, your going to need to learn to handle it, but you will after a little practice.

Luckily, both the wind speed and direction were not the norm for this area- it's generally south to southeast at 5-10 knots. I have a good idea of what I did wrong, so even eff-ups are valuable if you don't dwell on the embarrassment. AND, for probably the first time in my boating history, nobody else was around to see me looking like a rank newbie who bought too big a boat! LOL.

(when asked of his many failed attempts to invent the lightbulb, Thomas Edison said, "Failures? I learned 200 ways how NOT to make a lightbulb.")
 

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It doesn't matter how many times you do it...when there are 20 people watching you, it will always feel like you're first time. I have been lucky. In the 5 years of owning my boat, I have only had 2 instances where it was a tough time docking.

But there are other times when you feel like a pro...like when I slipped it in a spot alongside (parallel parking) that was 42' wide. And I'm 40' LOA. 50+ people watching and stopped 12" from each boat and never even touched the dock. It's nice when you get an ovation for a job well done :cool:
 

Shamfarlango

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I'm going to assume that you have counter-rotating props.

What if you don't? I have two right handed ones. I've tried to dock with just the throttles, but I find I just don't have the response on my boat and always end up resorting to the wheel. So much so, I've pretty much given up on the throttle steering method.
 

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What if you don't? I have two right handed ones. I've tried to dock with just the throttles, but I find I just don't have the response on my boat and always end up resorting to the wheel. So much so, I've pretty much given up on the throttle steering method.

I've never understood why any company would make a boat that has two engines without making one counter-rotate. Possibly happened in re-powering. Part of steering with two props takes advantage of the side thrust produced by the props, which is opposite if you have counter-rotating props. Without counter rotation, you lose that advantage.

As an example, if I am backing into a slip with starboard engine in reverse (started from port side perpendicular to the slip), I am using the side thrust to curve me in (stern gets pushed toward port). Let's say I'm not curving enough, so my starboard stern corner is headed for the end of the dock. I will goose the port engine forward, using the side thrust of the port prop, which now, since its in forward, is the same side direction as the starboard prop. The forces being additive, kicks the back end to port even faster and I'm no longer aimed at the cornet of the dock.

With your setup, if you goosed the port engine forward (in the above example), your side forces would negate each other. So you won't get that kick of the stern to the side. However, you should still be able to turn the boat by opposite directions of engines.

I have never driven a twin that didn't counter-rotate, so I am theorizing here. When backing on one engine we get a natural curve. You get that in one direction. So, if you are backing with your starboard engine in reverse (as in the example above) you will get the same curve into the slip as we do. However, when you goose the port engine forward, you will get a force that negates the side movement instead of adding to it, but you should still get the rotation of the boat (one forward, one reverse). I suspect your forward on port will have to be longer or stronger.

That works for the example. But what if you are approaching from the opposite direction due to wind and current. You can't get the kind of curve you need from your engines. I'll have to think about that one some more. My thoughts are to practice with the forward/reverse (in a quiet place) to see how your boat reacts. Where counter-rotating props will spin the boat on a center point somewhere forward of the props. Yours will likely spin the boat with the center point at the props.

Good luck.
 

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What if you don't? I have two right handed ones. I've tried to dock with just the throttles, but I find I just don't have the response on my boat and always end up resorting to the wheel. So much so, I've pretty much given up on the throttle steering method.

I believe that the Maxum has two right hand props also. I wondered about it briefly while looking at the boat, but it never had props on it on dry land. Now looking at the tachs, they both show clockwise rotation, and if I tilt the drives up, they look the same. I still intend to practice with engines, but right now at least, boating is still just a weekend event.
 

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I believe that the Maxum has two right hand props also. I wondered about it briefly while looking at the boat, but it never had props on it on dry land. Now looking at the tachs, they both show clockwise rotation, and if I tilt the drives up, they look the same. I still intend to practice with engines, but right now at least, boating is still just a weekend event.

Simply check the flare of the props. See which edge is the cutting edge and which is the trailing edge. The other side should be opposite.
 

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WTH does that mean?!! How could you tell prop rotation from the tach?

Wondered the same thing myself.Wonder how does the tach react ( prop rotation ) when you have DUO PROPS?
 

partskenn

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WTH does that mean?!! How could you tell prop rotation from the tach?

The tach has a little picture of a drive with an arrow drawn around the prop. Both arrows go clockwise.
 

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The tach has a little picture of a drive with an arrow drawn around the prop. Both arrows go clockwise.

While I suppose that could be an indicator, it could just be a standard symbol on the tach face. To be sure we'd have to see another boat with the same tach and twin counter-rotating props to compare.
 

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That is simply a screen print on the face of the tach. In fact, are you certain that it's a prop on the tach face and not a simply drawing of a piston to indicate RPM? Look at the attached pic and see how the props mirror each other side-by-side. Notice how the trailing edges look as if they are moving toward each other. As long as your props aren't identical (both sloping on the same plane), then yours are counter rotating.

CR props.jpg
 

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OK, so besides not being able to back my boat into the slip, maybe I don't know how to read the gauges either. Saturday I will tilt my drives up again, stick my face in the water, and take a good hard look at the props.
 

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OK, so besides not being able to back my boat into the slip, maybe I don't know how to read the gauges either. Saturday I will tilt my drives up again, stick my face in the water, and take a good hard look at the props.

I didn't mean to offend. If I did, I'm sorry. I just have never seen a tach with a pic of a prop on it, mainly because the engine speed has nothing to do with the prop speed. That is determined by the gearing in the outdrive, and the tach manufacturer would have no clue as to which engine/outdrive their unit would be wired to. However, I have seen many, many tachs with a pic of a rotating piston on the face and an arrow surrounding it to show engine revolution(s). Post a pic if you can. If it is a prop, then I stand corrected and will have learned something else new.

If you can, take a pic of the props as well and we'll take all guesswork out of it.
 

partskenn

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I didn't mean to offend. If I did, I'm sorry. I just have never seen a tach with a pic of a prop on it, mainly because the engine speed has nothing to do with the prop speed. That is determined by the gearing in the outdrive, and the tach manufacturer would have no clue as to which engine/outdrive their unit would be wired to. However, I have seen many, many tachs with a pic of a rotating piston on the face and an arrow surrounding it to show engine revolution(s). Post a pic if you can. If it is a prop, then I stand corrected and will have learned something else new.

If you can, take a pic of the props as well and we'll take all guesswork out of it.

Fireman, you did not offend me at all. I was trying to make fun of myself, I've owned a boat for the last 15 years, and it seems like every time I use it I find out something else that I didn't know about it. You are probably correct about the tach, I will try to remember to take pictures of both the tach and the props this weekend. Thanks everyone for all the help.
 
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