I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

this is a pic of the hull being faired......if you notice the keel....there is a full wrap of 2 oz csm and a 1708 layer on it...

in this one ...if you look real close you can see the keel wrap

here it is....

sorry there was 700 photos

 

[redfury]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

Looks like that boat was beached A LOT! I'd build up that keel like oops did. I think you can buy the Biax in a wide "tape" which will make the job go smoothly. I'd have to say though, whomever owned this boat must have liked it to use it as much as they did to get it to the shape its in now.

I'm interested in seeing how far the delam goes though. Good thing you found that before you went too far into sinking money into it in supplies. You still have a chance to walk away from it for a better project if you decide to go that route after further inspections.

 

[jcsftwre]

Dec - 3 - 2008

Dec - 3 - 2008

Thanks Oops and Redfury,
Oops the reply makes since to me and I?m going to bring up those photos in Photoshop and enlarge them to see closer. I?m also going to re-read Oops?es post to make sure I truly do know what is needed to be done.

The delaminated hull:
The delaminated part only extended down 3/8 of an inch to ? of an inch down the keel toward the top of the boat and it ran the length of the keel about 6 inches or so long. Here is the area in the red circle.

At this point of the delam I did not go through the hull.

Question: The ?Hull? is the entire boat bottom, right?
Question: The ?Keel? is the point at the bottom of the hull? Correct?
I believe this is what you?re talking about.

Oops the photos are great! Nothing like seeing it first hand to help get the better understanding.

I understand the peanut butter or using foam part great. That is to build up the missing shape of the bottom.

So then after that I need to run the 2 layers of CSM, then one woven, then another layer of CSM down the point of the bottom? Is this correct? See photo below.

Then FAIR the edges of the new glass until a smooth transition is obtained. Flip and do the inside.

Redfury, yah I think the people that owned the boat must of run up many of rocky and sandy beaches.
As far as me walking away?? NO WAY MAN!

My first marriage went 22 years we should of split up in the third year of marriage. Shoot I?ll flog a dead horse until it screams momma! I don?t know the meaning of quit.

Really I don?t think this is to bad and it still was a free boat just needs a lot of work and really that is why I take on projects to keep me busy. I just got a feeling about this boat and what is will look like when it?s done and it?s a good feeling.

I went over to a company across the street from my house yesterday (literally) and spoke to the supervisor. They make fiberglass shower inserts, hot tubs, and anything fiberglass. I explained my situation and told him about my boat. He is going to gather up supplies that they normally would throw out and give them to me. He said mostly he can get scrap fiberglass CSM in various lengths and sizes and he will give me a call when he gathers them up.

I have been saving the nice roll of fiberglass that was sent to me by the IBoater for longer and wider runs that I was sure would come up. So I have not cut into it yet. I?ll use the smaller pieces that I get from across the street for the repair jobs and for glassing in the stringers and such and use the roll for the larger cover jobs. I sort of felt that would happen where I would end up needing to have a larger piece to cover something.

This project is going to take longer than the few months I first thought it would but that just fine with me. Even just working yesterday (my first real day in weeks) took a lot out of me. I?m walking hunched over again today and back to using a cane to get around. But I?m use to being like this, have been for years. I just have to wait a few hours before the medicine starts to work and then I can get back to the garage.

OH! I now can give the thumbs up to the mask that I bought! Even with a beard it makes a good seal and I didn?t have to breath glass or paint that I was grinding yesterday. It has two seals really one around the nose and mouth area and another one around the whole face from the forehead to under the chin. I would recommend it to anyone for the price it can?t be beat!

Today I?ll get out an grind a little more, this should be the last for the outside of the boat. I need to clean up some small spots that I missed and do the edge at the top of the boat edge.

I have a few spots ( about 10) like this running around the boat. This is the edge that mates up to the same on the top of the boat and is hidden under a rubber trim that goes around the whole boat.

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

Yep your correct on the hull and the Keel !! John

 

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

yep......as mentioned, thats correct.

when you do start to glass the keel.....make sure the white gell coat is ground back so the glass contacts glass.

read the hull thread for overlap of glass...... i think i explained it best when i was glassing in the deck.........

the matt must contact the hull first....with no overlap of the woven "cloth"

but each layer is bigger than the last......so there is overlap and the next layer has more hull bonding surface than the last....

put another way......start with a small patch and work out to a bigger patch.

each layer of cloth must be the same size of the csm under it.....the next layer of csm can be bigger than the layer underneath.

i hope that does not confuse you.

cheers
oops

 

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

oh......as far as the lip for the cap.....dont worry about it if there are a few missing spots.....just as long as its not lower than the collar on the cap

 

[jcsftwre]

Dec-3rd-2008 4:30 PM

Dec-3rd-2008 4:30 PM

Done for the day, I did some more grinding and have a lot more to do. I have taken off more paint on the bottom than most would do but I feel I have a good reason to do so. If you look in the photo below you will see some of the stress cracks than ran along the length of the boat. Before and after grinding and you can see they go into the glass.

I think the discoloration in the bare glass is from water getting into the glass itself.

So I an feeling like I may take the paint off from whole bottom so I can lay a new layer of FG over it and make sure I get it water tight.

A big job but I think if I?m going to do it now is the time.

Thoughts?


On the good news side.... I use to own three acres of land just south of the Arctic Circle (use to being several days ago). I had put them for sale up on Craigslist a several days ago and a man wrote me 8 minutes later and said he wanted to buy them. He was willing to pay all costs to buy it so I sold them a little below going rate. Land up there goes for $2,000 an acre and I sold them for $1,500 an acre. I just got the money and paid all of my utility bills 10 months in advance. I still have a little left over for food and such and extra stuff like a paper suit for grinding in. Now I don?t have to fret so much about bills for a few months to come. And on top of that a truck driver friend of mine just stopped by and dropped off a big bag of fresh clams for me to have for dinner! Life is good right now!
P.S. My house payment is coverd by my V.A. disability check Technically known as compensation / pension.

 

[jcsercsa]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

OHH man very cool Rick , Arctic Circle have you ever been up there ??

and yep sounds like the plan on the bottom , them stress cracks arent a good thing !! when ooops did his think he put two layer of glass on the bottom !! 1708 glass if i rember right !! and when you get the glass done on the inside your going to have a brand new boat !! JOhn

 

[maxum247]

Re: Dec-2nd-2008 4:30 PM

Re: Dec-2nd-2008 4:30 PM

Man! Sorry to hear you have to do all the grinding and glassing.
On the up side, it sounds like your in good shape with the utility bills for the winter!

 

[jcsftwre]

Re: Dec-3rd-2008 4:30 PM

Re: Dec-3rd-2008 4:30 PM

Man! Sorry to hear you have to do all the grinding and glassing.
On the up side, it sounds like your in good shape with the utility bills for the winter!

Hey I?ll let you know how the suit holds up I got the size large/large so I should not has extreme pressure on the south end of things! My utilities are very low now because when I bought this house I converted it to gas and installed every energy efficient things they had. Things like furnace, washer & dryer, stove fridge ect. I sort of knew back then that I would be in the financial position I am in now. So like a boy scout I prepared.

 

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

im confused about your "paint job" on the hull......it looks to me like someome tryed to re gellcoat the boat with a roller.....is it all "bumpy" when you feel the surface?

 

[jcsftwre]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

Man Oops you should be a boat builder or something! Yes it is bumpy like a thick skin navel orange. I was wondering about that because it is so think. I?m not sure that is looks bad and really in real life I sort of like it. :redface:

I thought maybe it was like that because of how old it is and that was how they did it back then.

 

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

ok........what the heck has gone on with that boat....????

you will have to decide weither to paint the boat or re-gellcoat the boat.

either one and you will have a ton of prep work to do.

after i re gelled mine, it took a week of sanding to get it where it should be....and my orange was less than yours by far.......

you will need to sand down the gellcoat till its smooth....or take it all off.

then re paint with endura....(needs to be sprayed).....or you can re gellcoat. thats a big job rick.

for study.....read the last few working pages of the hull thread........start from when we gellcoated it the second time.

 

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

if you take the gellcoat all off.........take it off with a sander.......not a grinder.......look at the makita sander.....the big one with the 8 inch foam disc on it.......

if you grind....you will have minor grinding imperfections in the glass.....even after re glassing....these will show up to some extent. if you use that big sander with a sponge pad on it.......you will sand it all off smooth rather than rip it up with the grinder.

im afraid you will also be in for some fairing on the hull

 

[Mark42]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

I like the bumpy look of the gel coat. If I glass and gel the deck of my Bayliner, I was thinking of using a roller to give it the non-skid look. I hope it will look like that.

BTW, great job on restoring this boat!!!

 

[jcsftwre]

green plaid golf shorts

green plaid golf shorts

Thanks for the information Oops,
But what if I intend on having the bumpy look? Last night I was wondering how to achieve the look when I redo the gel coat. I like it and it looks good to me like Mark42 said it has the non skid look.

This boat is not really a nice big fast boat like yours will be, it?s sort of like a grandpa fishing boat. I have been looking for some green plaid golf shorts to wear when I take it out fishing.

Will there be a problem if this is how I intend on trying to make it look? I like it!
And by the way thanks for the tip on the sander. I have been using a grinder and it does leave small marks like you spoke about. I have been only just barley taking off the white and I will have enough FG to lightly sand before I lay new FG.


Oops what did you mean by "im afraid you will also be in for some fairing on the hull"? I am thinking that is when you smoothly blend the seams of the new FG to the place it meets the old. Is this right?

 

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

on a deck it will look like that after two or three coats....no acietone or patch aid to lower the viscosity.

on a deck its good....on a hull its not

gellcoat is supposed to be aprox 25 thousandth thick.....the problem is that.the voids in dimpled gell are over the 25 thou tollerance that the whole job is supposed to be.....that means it will be really prone to crazing.......the crazing he is sanding out now

 

[jcsftwre]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

When I?m done with this boat I think it will qualify being a home built boat.

 

[oops!]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

sorry its taking so long to answer....the site is really slow sometimes....the above post was in responce to marks statment.....

but you might want to give it a read, cause right now you are fixing the problem that the "bumpy look" will cause.

as far as the fairing.......every where you ground.....you will need to make that glass smooth or your paint job will look .....uh .....shoddy

you are currently at a stage where the better you do each phase....the better it will be for you later

 

[jcsftwre]

Re: I would like to introduce myself, and talk about my rebuild.

Oops now I understand about why not have this look. I will read the posts you spoke about and start in that direction. You are right about the crazing it is all over the boat.