Kid screamed for his cell phone back

SgtMaj

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Re: Kid screamed for his cell phone back

You guys make really good points.. but why does a 12 year old need a phone for?? Security reasons what security.. im 18 now . got the phone at 16. my rents gave me the phone when i got my license. which i think is smart.. they wouldnt let us get one no matter what b4 we turned 16.. why does a 12 need a phone.. where do they go. a friends house ya. but they got a phone at the house dont they? they cant drive so you always know where they are..

Until they join the countless other children that get abducted every year...

Just my point of view.
 

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Try teaching a group of 30 kids that have no manners. If you believe a teacher does not have to teach some of the kids "manners" to be an effective teacher, boy, are you kidding yourself. Just one kid can cause such a disruption that the other 29 students get little education that day. If it was your kid that desired a proper education which was being screwed up by a single disrespectful student, you would be ok with that? If not, what would you want to happen to change it? Any discipline handed out by a school/teacher is in an attempt to change behavior/manners. Since you believe it is not the schools position to teach manners, by your own statements, discipline is not an option for you. Well, what would you do?

Might I add, it is a parent that defends his child's foolishness that causes the problem in the first place. Apples do not fall far from their trees.

I would have a zero tolerance policy. Sure, you can have and carry your cell phone during school hours for reasons of safety. However, if a person of authority within a school building sees it out and being used, 3 day suspension. Next time, expulsion for a full quarter, 3rd time, out for a year.

I would venture to guess that a typical student gets caught texting inschool 5% of the time and the punishment is minimal. Often it is nothing more than "pick your phone up from the principal at the end of the day." Getting caught 5% of the time for such a small penalty makes continued texting worth the risk for a student.

I mostly agree, but maybe instead of suspension... perhaps detention is a better punishment. Especially since most kids who would be caught using their phones in class, probably don't want to be in class to begin with, much less wanting to have to stay longer. Make them hour-long detensions for 3 days, a week, and a full quarter, and I think you'd see the problem vanish pretty fast.
 

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My son is 11 and you bet he has a cell phone it goes to school with him everyday it is off when he is in class but when he is out of school it goes on. It is a feeling of comfort knowing he can reach me at any time or vice versa. You bet your *** if a teacher was to take his phone I would be there in a second to get it back and believe me I would get it back but my son would not get away without some action taken by me. Someone mentioned that back when they where young we had no cell phones we where fine but, the world was not as messed up as it today! Also these are the times of technology this is what they know they see their parents on cell phones all day long this is normal to them.
 

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My mother was a retired teacher of 37 years. I always thought her way of a consequence for kids getting out of line was to have one of the parents stay the whole day in class with the child. Good examples are set by the parent in what they do and not what they say to the child.

I see many kids with phones get out of school and get right into their parents car at the school. With this routine for those parents, I don't think a cell phone for chidren under 14 would be neccessary. If they had to walk or be outta sight of the school, then I can understand that.

I can't keep from thinking that even a low life that would abduct a child would check to see if they had a phone first. And if so, what is going to prevent them from taking the phone and destroying it while abducting the child?
 
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My son is 11 and you bet he has a cell phone it goes to school with him everyday it is off when he is in class but when he is out of school it goes on. It is a feeling of comfort knowing he can reach me at any time or vice versa. You bet your *** if a teacher was to take his phone I would be there in a second to get it back and believe me I would get it back but my son would not get away without some action taken by me. Someone mentioned that back when they where young we had no cell phones we where fine but, the world was not as messed up as it today! Also these are the times of technology this is what they know they see their parents on cell phones all day long this is normal to them.
You could get it back BUT if you make too much of an arse out of yourself I bet he wouldnt be alowed to bring it back. Let me ask this. If the kids phone is "lost" or stolen are you planning on going to the school then to try and see about getting it back? The school folks are busy doing school stuff and dont have time to worry about personal problems. Not their job
 

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You bet your *** if a teacher was to take his phone I would be there in a second to get it back and believe me I would get it back...

You might be way ahead to call the principal, find out what the policy of the school system is, and ASK when you could come pick it up.

Marching into a school with a display of bravado and making demands, might get you a ride downtown.
 

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You might be way ahead to call the principal, find out what the policy of the school system is, and ASK when you could come pick it up.

Marching into a school with a display of bravado and making demands, might get you a ride downtown.

That's fine, it would also buy the school a large lawsuit. Why schools think they are above the law, must be above my head. But if the school district really wants to buy my son a first-class private education, over something so trivial... well that's just fine with me.
 

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Let me ask this. If the kids phone is "lost" or stolen are you planning on going to the school then to try and see about getting it back? The school folks are busy doing school stuff and dont have time to worry about personal problems. Not their job

Depends, you need to better define the situation. Was it in my son's custody when it was lost or stolen, or the schools? If it was in the schools custody, I absolutely would, then I would also press any applicable criminal charges and file a lawsuit against both the school district, and the teacher(s) responsible as individuals. If it was in my son's custody, then I would explain to my son that he needs to watch his things a little closer, then file a police report and insurance claim.
 

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Some time back I read an article that came thru our local Chamber of Commerce.
It discussed the marketing of products: the most sucesfull; the most disasterous.
Data was converted to a scale.
The most sucessful marketing campain "ever" was the 'mobile phone' (cell phone).
It lead the pack by such an extent that the scale had to be adjusted to include it.....meaning it was so far ahead of everything else ever invented, developed and marketed.
What turned from a business comunications tool (remember the big ones, half the size of a brief case), into an item every person in the developed world had to have, was instilling fear in to people.

I can't recall the exact phrase but it went like this "oh! I need one for my security in case.......etc".
I can't quote you the individual who came up with the "fear idea and phrase", but it was a planned strategy, and what was unique about it was, the idea of the 'fear' had to come from the individual, not a advertising campaign.

This created mass sales and profits, but then it occured to the communications companies, there was even more money to be made if they tail-end loaded the cost from the phone (that's the front end) to the cost of the calls.
In other words they reduced the price of the phone but increased the price of the calls.

A few yrs later they decided there was even more money to be extracted from consumers if they introduced fixed price over fixed term...meaning if they could get $40 per month for 2 yrs from 70% of the population, and reduce the costs of each call, then that was the way to go, espceically when once their infrastructure was in place, all they were doing was selling an air wave.

So with respect, for all those that have this in-bred "fear" factor, and believing the mobile phone will eliminate it, you have been had by the big money making machine.

The most unique point about this campaign is: the previous greatest motivating factor was 'greed'.

Cheers
Phillip
 

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But if the school district really wants to buy my son a first-class private education, over something so trivial... well that's just fine with me.

And you'd be willing to extend your arrest record over trivia yourself. LOL, that's hilarious.
 

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I'd go to the school with my RPG & demand the cell phone back....:)
If that didn't work I'd go home & get my mortar & besiege it....:rolleyes:
 

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I'd go to the school with my RPG & demand the cell phone back....:)
If that didn't work I'd go home & get my mortar & besiege it....:rolleyes:

Be a good opportunity to get the ol' M1A1 Abrams out of the garage.:rolleyes:
 

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This is realy stupid there was in the news paper.
That kids of a certain school have to go pass a metal detector.
So they don't carry knife's.
This was a test planed by the local government,
Not by the school.


Here comes the funny part..

Those kids going to a school where you become a CHEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

knife's every where or are they planing to let them cook with sticks.
 

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I have a 13 year old daughter that is 8th grade. She has had a cell phone since 6th grade. She often comes home to an empty house, and calls me when she walks in the door, she does this if my wife is home or not. I do not always know if my wife will be home, so it ends all confusions, about if she should have called or not.

We got her the cell phone, because it was cheaper for her to have a cell phone, and call on that then it was to have her make long distance calls to me at work.

She does know the policy for phones in school. No phones in class, phone is turn off and in locker during the day etc. She alos know that if the phone gets taken at school she has to answer to me, and have told her I will start with taking the phone, and go from there.

Only once did she have to use it when there was a problem. She had a subtitute bus driver, that was lost. The kids tried telling him he was going the wrong way, and he would not listen. I call the transportation coordinator for the school district, who left the office to track down the bus while calling the bus company. All turned out well after they fired the driver!


The problem was not the cell phone, but the kids that had it. If it had not been a cell phone it would have been something else, Ipod, calculator etc...
 
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I agree 100% that cell phones serve a very good purpose as the case with your daughter. Kids that leave them turned off and put away out of sight at school bother no one. The ones that dont. they need to have them taken away and have the parents pick them up. Teachers dont have time to deal with it, its not their job or responcibility.
 

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And you'd be willing to extend your arrest record over trivia yourself. LOL, that's hilarious.

Don't have an arrest record... and suing the F out of a teacher and school, won't get you arrested in this country.
 

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So with respect, for all those that have this in-bred "fear" factor, and believing the mobile phone will eliminate it, you have been had by the big money making machine.

Call it what you will, but I've personally 'seen' two incidences where having a cell phone handy to call 911 saved lives. The first time I didn't own a phone but fortuneately someone else did. The second time it was my phone. So I really don't care about the marketing behind it, they do save lives.

PS - Cellular phones don't need to have service plans or be "activated" to make emergency calls.
 

SgtMaj

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Re: Kid screamed for his cell phone back

This is realy stupid there was in the news paper.
That kids of a certain school have to go pass a metal detector.
So they don't carry knife's.
This was a test planed by the local government,
Not by the school.


Here comes the funny part..

Those kids going to a school where you become a CHEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

knife's every where or are they planing to let them cook with sticks.

That is funny. :D
 

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Re: Kid screamed for his cell phone back

Call it what you will, but I've personally 'seen' two incidences where having a cell phone handy to call 911 saved lives. The first time I didn't own a phone but fortuneately someone else did. The second time it was my phone. So I really don't care about the marketing behind it, they do save lives.

PS - Cellular phones don't need to have service plans or be "activated" to make emergency calls.


I don't think anybody would argue cell phones serve proper purposes. As so many have said, cell phones being used in school, during school hours, is the problem. If a student uses his/her cell phone during school, the school has every right to take it. As a matter of fact, our resource officer(City Cop) will take it himself, call the parent and tell him/her the issue and tell them the consequences of having it happen again.

Students cannot come to school and do as they wish, I don't care what the parent says. Parents do not run the schools even though many would like to believe they do.

As far as criminal charges, are you serious? For what? You are going to prosecute the school because your son could not follow rules? Good one!

It's really quite simple, instruct your son to follow the building policy, and you will never have to worry about suing anybody. On the other hand, tell your son to do as he pleases, and at some time you will live out your scenario, most-likely, to a different conclusion as the one you envision.

IMO, rather than determine your reaction once the negative situation has happened, be proactive and set cell phone usage guidelines yourself with school policy in mind. If you try to curtail school policy, it won't work. If you still want to argue "safety" concerns, it's a mute point. In a safety or danger situation within a school building, a school would not uphold a school policy if a phone was used during an emergency. In-fact, most schools have policies which make it perfectly reasonable to use them in this situation.
 
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