Man vs. Boat (season 1).

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

Thanks for keeping another classic out of the dump! I love the lines of those old Lancers. What is the length- kinda looks like a 19- maybe you posted it and I missed it.

Good luck on the project! Dump the stringer. You'll be happier with the finished product and you won't have to constantly ask yourself "what will happen if this thing finally dies after I brought this beast back to life!"
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

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Glad to see another videographer in the mix. We like to see things getting done as they happen and you do a good job on that so far. You know you're gon'a have to live with the name of this thread for a long, long, time, right? :D Well . . . hope it won't seem to long anyway. You have already done a good turn for the reputations of button down lawyers everywhere. By taking on this project rather than throwing some pelf around as we might imagine. I hope an itchy barrister can still litigate effectively. Remember we are always rooting for your success and sympathizing with your setbacks.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

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just saw the update......but i gotta go to work......got a bayliner to work electrical bugs out of ....then pull the lower unit off a 50 foot house boat...in the water.

i would start looking for a doaner boat.....one with a 305 or 350 one with a aplha one gen 2 or a volvo (newer). it is the cheapest way to build a boat make one good one out of two bad.

you cannot build the boat with a stringer drive and convert later.....the setups are totally different. so....that is a decision you need to make before you start the re construction. i do know....that you will be far happier with a different drive setup down the road....as allready stated....you can sell the working drive right off the back of the boat right now for more money than a doaner boat will cost..

here is a quick check for your motor.......get a wood broom handle and stick the end on the valve covers......then put your ear to the other end of the broom handle.
you will hear everything...then move the broom handle down to the lower part of the block. if its the pistons slapping....you will know right away.
make sure you have water running to the motor (the muffs) when you start it.

gotta run to work.....ill post the differences of the two setups when i can.....if not tonight tomorrow morning

cheers
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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

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I love the fact that you have a good attitude about this whole thing. It is a shame that it is an OMC. No matter what you decide to do with the boat, we will be here to give advise. I hope to be on the forum more soon as the boating season comes to an end.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

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Thanks to all who have stopped by to offer encouragement and advice. You have already helped more than you know.... Still overwhelmed and out of my league, but gaining small bits of confidence as I learn more each day....

Here is the update from yesterday's work session. Didn't video much of the actual work, because it was really just unbolting and removing stuff (If I can do it, anybody can). Really just a progress report shall you can follow along and let me know if I am about to screw something up royally!!!!

 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

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mccraney: Great decision on that stringer drive. And, your helpers are as cute as buttons man. I bet they brighten your day. You are blessed:)

Man v. Boat?

Man = 1

Boat = 0

Cheers!:D
 

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jasoutside;. I bet they brighten your day. You are blessed:) [/QUOTE said:
Indeed. Couldn't agree more. thanks for the kind words.
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

For all you "pragmatic" (some of you guys are looking that up) folks, I am aware that this not the wisest of undertakings. I am fully aware that this is a 1975 boat, with an OMC Stringer outdrive (okay, first "can of worms" officially opened) and that no one will want a restored boat with one of those, so just part it out and find something else. There, I said it, so you don't have to... That being said, I love this boat, I plan on keeping it until it sinks (which may be at splash time), and I managed to get a $300 boat from New Hampshire to Mississippi through Hurricane Irene and Tropical Storm Lee, so I'm committed to this vessel for better or worse.... (that's also a funny story).

OK then, before we get too far along in this saga there are those who wait with baited breath and unrequited vexation for the aforementioned funny story. Do tell, spare no details, keep in mind, our expectations are quite low.:D
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

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OK then, before we get too far along in this saga there are those who wait with baited breath and unrequited vexation for the aforementioned funny story. Do tell, spare no details, keep in mind, our expectations are quite low.:D

Okay: Seeing is how this is supposed to be fun, and since your expectations are low, I will give it a try. The story will be in two parts: the first part is the story of me buying it (told by me), and the second part is a block copied email from a friend of mine who tells the "shipping/delivery" story better than i do. Keep in mind, most of this is "you had to be there" type humor, but hopefully it will translate. Grab a cup of coffee and get comfortable......

As background context, our family needs a new boat like we need a hole in our head. Our budget and time are stretched very thin with 4 little ones under 9. Nonetheless, I somehow got the bug to restore an old boat and found myself in the "addictive vortex" spinning between iboats, ebay and craigslist looking for information and a project. During this process, I somehow decided I wanted a chris craft. One night after a few too many glasses of wine, I was reading to my son and then started surfing on my ipad while he was laying down -- trying to get him to go to sleep. I typed in "Chris Craft" into ebay and this beauty popped up. Opening bid: $11.00. I had my "clark griswold" moment - the lights from heaven were shining down and I had to have it. Of course, I'm in Mississippi, but the boat is in New Hampshire - I thought to myself "How bad can shipping be; people buy boats and cars all the time on ebay; we'll figure it out, later; let's go after this thing" (that's foreshadowing, of course).

So, there I am in the bed with my son, ipad in hand and a nice little wine buzz working, and the moment of truth: my first bid - EVER - on ebay: $15.00; Quickly, I was outbid (head scratching, that was fast), so I entered $25.00 (again, shot down). So, I poked around and read that I could set my bid to my highest amount (probably obvious to most everyone, but this idiot), and so I sat there for a minute and thought: "what is the most I would pay for a boat that I have never seen that is about 2,000 miles from my house????" - $300.00 came to mind.... So, there she went.... With the excitement of a kid at christmas, I pecked in my bid.................... "Congratulations, you are the highest bidder...$266.00." At this point, there were 4 days left on the auction.... However, for now I was content with the fact that I was under my max and the winning bid. I sheepishly broke the news to my wife: "if my master plan worked out, we would be the proud owner's of a boat at Lake Winnapasauki (sp?)" She was like, Lake What? Where is that? Me: "Don't worry, hon, its a beautiful place, it's right up the road a ways, in................ New Hampshire? Her: "What, are you crazy....How are you going to get it here?" Me: "People do this all the time; it's a great price; I'll figure it out; I'll drive up there if I have to, or we can take a vacation to New England when the leaves are changing" (again, I'm reaching here....bad... all my senses are clearly deluded by my visceral need to have this project boat).

So, fast forward 4 days (after checking ebay at least 5 times a day) to the final day of the auction, and I am at meeting in Memphis with a client and some potential investors.... There are about 7 folks in the conference room and I am supposed to be leading this thing..... However, I have a divided mind, because the meeting is running long and my auction ends at 5:00.

So, out slips the IPAD under the table and onto my leg.... I somehow find my way to the auction page fumbling with keystrokes under the table, while acting like I am paying attention: 20 minutes: $266.00.... still winning... I check it again about 15 minutes later.... UH OHHHH, the bobber is moving... we've got a nibble... bid has been raised to $280.00, but I'm still winning.

So, of course, even a rookie like me can anticipate what's about to happen.... I am hitting "refresh" under the table about every 10 seconds, while trying to discuss the merits of an investor placing about 3MM with my manufacturing client.... (not very smooth, I know, but I can multi-task). At about 30 seconds, it jumps up to $305.00. So, I have to process quickly.... ANGEL ON ONE SHOULDER: This is a good thing right? I mean, I couldn't possible get a 300 boat from New Hampshire to Mississippi, so let it go.... DEVIL ON OTHER SHOULDER: "Don't let that person get your boat at the last minute; you'll figure it out; New Hampshire's not that far; Go after it, it's your boat; eat the apple, dammit... it was meant to be yours...."

Agreeing with the Devil, my competitive nature took over.... So, with about about 15 seconds left, I punched it my next bid: $315.00.... and waited what seemed like an eternity for the screen to refresh....... The response: (wait for it)..................... "You are not logged in." oh crap, so I'm racing under the table to log into my ebay account..... I get my username and password entered as the clock is ticking down, 3,2, 1....... Screen refreshes, bid processes, and with the apparent skill of professional bidder, I take down my boat with 1 second left, to the disappointment of some other idiot out there who had fallen in love with the same mistress....

On the drive back from Memphis to Jackson that night.... Honey, we are proud owner's of a 1975 boat. Here comes the rationalization propaganda from me: It will be fun for the kids; it won't be that hard to fix up; we'll have a lot of memories on the boat; a nice dress can cost this much; it's a $300 boat that works... how could I pass this up, etc...., etc..., etc... Her: Sounds great, how are you going to get it here? Me: got 4 days to pick it up; I'll make some calls tomorrow and figure that out. Sure it won't be a problem....

So, the next day during some down time I work, I log into Uship to see what the damage is going to be: Quickly, the shipping bids start coming in: Cheapest one: $2900 (oh crap, Houston, we have a problem.......). So, realizing that shipping was not going to be an option, I quickly made some calls to New Hampshire and was lucky to find out that my boat was actually at a marina (Fay's boat yard), and they could store it for me in there "yard" while I figured this thing out. Of course, they were absolutely wonderful to deal with.... (but I'm sure were like, some "hayseed" down in MS bought that boat out in the yaaard (New Hampshire accent) that's been sitting there for years."). So, the next 4 weeks of my life are devoted to logistics (I still don't know what "OMC" means and that those 3 letters are, potentially, a bad thing and that it should impact my shipping/purchasing decisions)...So, the hunt continues.... A buddy of mine following this story with interest... agrees to road trip it with me for a long weekend..... However, I don't have a trailer? Luckily, the seller of my boat agreed to sell me his trailer that came with his new boat. this was actually a decent deal... $650.00 (total investment, though, now $900). We've got wheels, though... Well life gets in the way, and we both realize that a marathon road tip like college kids is not as easy in your mid-30s with kids, jobs, etc..., as it was when you were in college.... So, I bite the bullet and decided I was going to get it shipped to my friends house in Atlanta, and we would drive over Labor Day weekend, stay with them and pick it up..... (that's part 2 of the story.... next post). My 300 boat.... We'll let's say I found a really good deal on the shipping, but I'm still very much "pot committed" at this point to what was supposed to be a $300.00 boat...
 

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Part Two (told from friend in the boat who actually was actually the guy videoing/laughing on the first 2 videos on this thread):

"Ok - so you all don't think I am a dork for laughing out loud in the boat video you all need to know how we got to this point -

First - the boat was delivered last Saturday night to my house at 9:00 pm - in the dark - on it's trailer (on another trailer) with tires that were so dry rotted the damn things were coming apart on the drive from the front of my neighborhood to my house - and it all was delivered by a damn Yankee that said he would not have paid $50 bucks for the damn thing and can't believe some idiot actually paid him to drive it from New Hampshire to Georgia - what a country -

Then it sits in my driveway for a week while I proceed to get violation notices from my HOA about having a boat in my driveway for more than two days - I was worried the code enforcement officer was going to show up an give me a summons for having an inoperable machine parked in my driveway -

Then Patrick shows up Friday night and gets out of his Suburban with a gaggle of kids in tow like a kid at Christmas - all after a 10 hour drive from Jackson - he proceeds to admire his new boat for over an hour Friday night in the dark - I think he is in shock that it actually looks like a boat and somewhat resembles the pictures he had circulated -

Then Patrick wakes up before everyone Saturday morning and runs outside to start working on the damn thing - my driveway resembles a workshop all day Saturday with tools and oil and tires and parts strewn everywhere - and now I have permanent black spots in my grass along my driveway from the oil and WD-40 Patrick was spraying and spilling everywhere -


We figure out at some point yesterday that the trim motor is shot and that we have to manually lower the outdrive to try the SS Minnow out - so we proceed to "try it out" in my driveway - after removing the bolts I lift the outdrive and a 50 pound gear falls on Patrick's leg - he proceeds to say a few choice words while rolling around on my driveway in pain - never seen a balding man move like this before in my life - we successfully lower it and raise it afterwords in anticipation of this morning -

I don't think Patrick slept a wink last night -

So we pull out this morning with new tires and hope this thing floats -

I back it into the water and shockingly it floats - once we confirm it is not taking on water Patrick wades out in the water up to his chest and starts to remove the bolts to lower the outdrive - meanwhile 12 other boats are backed into the water and launched - all while I am still waiting on Patrick to manually lower the outdrive on the Three Eleven - Patrick finishes manually lowering the outdrive and swims around with a s**t eating grin on his face - He proceeds to tell me that he could only get two of the three bolts back in -


He hops in and fire it up - to my surprise it sounds good -


Then he pulls away - still working -

I park my truck and the trailer and run down to the dock and hop on the Three Eleven - we pull away and it is still running -

Once we get out of the no wake zone Patrick lowers the throttle and the damn thing starts hauling *** - hence my utter amazement -
"
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

Glad to know I am not the only Crazy fool in the world. I also have 4 kids under 9 and decided to take on a Resto... as if I have the time for this.... Mine is also a Chris Craft, a Bit newer than yours but appears to be in about the same shape. I hope to get started on mine in the fall. Good luck and I will be following your progress!
 

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that story, is exactly how a first time boat owners trip usually goes.......except that they get towed back to the dock....lol

when i offered the 800 for the boat and tandem trailer.......the farmer said....."its outta here"

i picked up my searay from his field field... robins egg blue......all oxidized....rust coming from a line in the manifold and the block....(what the heck is tat all about?)
the seats were a shambles....and the tires were flat......i chased the critters out of it.....seems they liked the luxury of living in it....pumped up the tires...(they held air !!!)
threw the plates form the 15 foot trailer on it ( a 23 foot trailer....this is a no-no in BC). drove out of the yard while waving by by to the farmer....
i couldn't understand why i thought he was laughing......

pull out on the main highway......and loose a tire.........oh well......i got 3 more.....ill just drag it to the gas station 5 miles up the road and pump it back up !!!
well.....the shredded tire had totally come off the rim and i was leaving a trail of sparks behind me. cars were franticly waving at me when i was limping to the gas station.
when i pulled into the entrance of the station....the rim cut a groove in the guys asphalt.
bought a new tire and headed to the boat fix it shop.......i didn't understand why the tires on the boat seemed to "tilt" when i was backing it in to a parking spot.

after changing the oil and doing a bazillion other things...i put in a new battery and turned the key to the on position.....oh wow.....things started to come on !...lights on the dash...i heard a click on the speakers of the 8 track stereo. pushed the button of the blower......heard a hell of a racket as it spit leaves and rotten wood out of the exhaust vent.....but it worked.

hooked up the hose....and turned the key...nothin......poured some gas down its throat.....hit the key again.......and the monster came to life...!!!!! wow.....it works !!!!!!
it reved.....it shifted...it turned on ....and off......why was there water coming form the block????? oh well who cares....it works.

off to the lake !
launch.......(im good at that so it didn't take long) away we go......idled past the entrance to the marina....slowly added throttle and it started moving faster !!!
it wouldn't go over 10 miles an hour....(what's that electrical like burning smell) but we were on the water.... and we were moving. it wouldn't get on plane....but it did move.

after the obligatory beer on the water.....it was back to the dock.......a quick look over the motor....and all was well except the funny milkshake looking oil in the motor.....(i thought i had just changed that)......it must be residual water that was trapped in there.

then the work began....lol.
 

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pull out on the main highway......and loose a tire.........oh well......i got 3 more.....ill just drag it to the gas station 5 miles up the road and pump it back up !!!
well.....the shredded tire had totally come off the rim and i was leaving a trail of sparks behind me. cars were franticly waving at me when i was limping to the gas station.
when i pulled into the entrance of the station....the rim cut a groove in the guys asphalt.
bought a new tire and headed to the boat fix it shop.......i didn't understand why the tires on the boat seemed to "tilt" when i was backing it in to a parking spot.

after changing the oil and doing a bazillion other things...i put in a new battery and turned the key to the on position.....oh wow.....things started to come on !...lights on the dash...i heard a click on the speakers of the 8 track stereo. pushed the button of the blower......heard a hell of a racket as it spit leaves and rotten wood out of the exhaust vent.....but it worked

LMAO..... Oops, gives me some comfort to know that even you have a story like this.... Love the visual of the of the critters, the sparks, the groove in the asphalt... and the blower spitting out leaves.... New, working boats are all reliable and boring.... who would want that??
 

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Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1, episode 1).

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Well, you got it done, told the story and its now part of the rebuild annals. Just so you know, if?n you haven?t figured it out by now, this section of the forum is very lean on pragmatism. Nay says I, in for a penny, in for a pound, is more our battle cry.:D Very few here are using their boats to put food on the table and as is often restated to those neophytes on the fence about starting a restore project, one never recovers the financial investment of it. It?s pursuit of the lofty ideal that we can make something be so with our effort and resolve. Either that or we?re all just as crazy as an outhouse rat.
 

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my first boat was a stringer. I actually like them for some inexplicable sadistic reason. yes the drive tilt motor issue is common. parts are available, however a bit pricey, however its your boat, restore it your way.

Welcome to iBoats.
 

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It?s pursuit of the lofty ideal that we can make something be so with our effort and resolve. Either that or we?re all just as crazy as an outhouse rat.

i believe it is 30% the first and 70% outhouse rat....

my first project, working on now, was also an OMC 300 cid stringer that is being converted for either a Volvo or Merc. Going to sell off the old Buick V8, intermediate housing, stringer outdrive, control box, cables etc to help offset the cost of the new power plant. I even have 2 pin props and some other items that i hope will help the recover the costs.

I figured since i have to replace the transom now was a good time especially since i love the look of the boat and plan to keep it for a long, long long time.

good luck and welcome to Iboats.........
 

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3 parts idealist; 7 parts outhouse rat - sounds like a good resin mix.

Happy to be part of the rat pack....

rrumba... thanks for stopping by. Actually read through your thread the other day and tried to post on it, but something messed up. We definitely need to compare notes. I'll PM you my info.

Guys, Now that I have the "back story" published, it's time to get down to "BID-NESS." Will keep the posts short, sweet and to the point from here on out and try to give concise updates (pics and/or video) of the progress.

My next step is to start "undressing the engine" and disconnecting everything so I can lift the engine and remove the gas tank. Any advice, or threads on this, so I don't blow myself up or break something????

Keep in mind....to a greenhorn like me, It looks like a big block of metal with a bunch of complicated wires and connections.....Ummmmm.....Uhhhhhhh..... Eager to learn and thanks again to everyone!!!
 

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I had to foresight to buy an outboard powered

You get otta here with that "OB Holy Grail" talk EZ!:p

mccraney is an IO guy!:D



Sorry fellas, just had to chase that pesky OB business out of here. Carry on.
 

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Here's something to start with incase your sitting there with your laptop waiting on us.

Things You'll Need

Ratchet wrench
Assorted sockets
Flat screwdriver
Chain - Front loader (if ya got one ha ha) or something like a suspended heavy duty Come Along to lift with.

1 Position the boat's gear shift lever in forward gear.

2 Remove the outdrive unit from the rear of the boat by disconnecting the tilt/trim cylinders, removing the nuts which connect the outdrive to the gimbal and then pulling the outdrive and driveshaft from the rear of the boat.

3 Remove the engine cover inside the boat and remove as much of the seats, sun platforms or other built in furnishings as possible to allow access to the motor from all sides and angles.

4 Disconnect the ground cable leading from the battery to the engine block.

5 Disconnect the main wiring harness connection. When this is done the motor should be completely disconnected from the electrical system.

6 Turn the fuel shut off valve between the fuel tank and motor to the off position.

7 Remove the gasoline line from the inlet side of the fuel/water separating filter by loosening the hose clamp with a flat screwdriver and then working the hose free from the hose barb.

8 Remove the throttle/shift mechanism from the engine by removing the bolts and nuts which secure it to the motor as well as disconnecting the linkage between it and the carburetor or throttle body.

9 Disconnect the rubber hose if you have these from the exhaust manifold by loosening the hose clamp with a flat screwdriver and working the hose free from the nipple to which it was attached.

10 Disconnect the water intake hoses leading from the rear of the boat to the water pump. These can be disconnected either at the water pump or where they attach at the rear of the boat, which ever is more accessible.

11 Remove the outer motor mount nuts from the two motor mounts which hold the motor to the bottom of the boat and two motor mounts which hold the motor to the transom. Don't change the position of the nuts under the motor's mounting brackets since these are the engine alignment nuts. The motor should be completely disconnected from the boat at this time and ready to lift out.

12 Connect a chain to the engine lifting bracket on the top of the motor and to a front loader on a tractor which will be used to lift the motor up and away from the boat. If you are in a shop with an overhead chain hoist use that or even a block and tackle under a stout tree limb will suffice.

13 Lift the engine free slowly, keeping an eye out for any extraneous wires which might have been installed and still connected and watching to ensure none of the hoses or wires removed get caught as the motor is lifted.
 
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