Man vs. Boat (season 1).

[sphelps]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Moving right along ! Dig the vids you do a nice job of explaining what you are doing. I always clam up making them..I sure could have used one of those air belt sander tools . Maybe my transom would have turned out better!:facepalm:
Keep it up! See ya S.P.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Thanks for taking the time to make the vids, PMC...lots of good info...

Almost inspiring enough to make me want to put a couple more stringers in the hull and put a 7.4L I/O in my bass boat...

Almost...

 

[Pmccraney]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Little bit o' progress:

Got the engine box stringer portions installed and bedded in pl glue:

Also, got the stringers cut - and just about ready for install.

Got some lay-out logistical questions - advice sought on gas tank choice/placement.. More on that in vid... Thank you!

 

[Pmccraney]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

And the rest of the story...

 

[rrumba]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Hey PM,

let me guess, you are going to try and out do Jas and his battery placement thread, i mean boat thread, with that question huh... i can see it now, add another 20 pages easy if you do it right like Jas. hahahah

 

[boatnut74]

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I havn't stopped by for awhile but looks like you are doing a great job. It's all downhill from here

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Although it won't be easy, I'd suggest thoughts of a weighted float using sandbags for weights. Although the weight will be lower in the hull using the Donor Starcraft tank (I'd pay a dollar for every time you say that on video) it's a big change after adding the bigger motor too. Trim tabs may help get up on plane quicker & over come the aft weight bias.

Motor well box & suspension system look great!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Ok, three quick questions...

1. Is it possible to mount that tank at midships? In front of the ski locker? I'm guessing the fittings make it way too tall.

2. Is there any possible way to mount it wonder the bow deck? I'm guessing too long/tall/awkward, huh.

3. Does your wife know you are wearing her bedroom slippers to do boat work? I'm guessing not, because I know she really hates it when you do that.

 

[oops!]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

kicked in the junk.....im still laughing about that .....and i saw it two weeks ago....

 

[oops!]

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sorry for the double post.....i had a laughing fit over the last line.....still laughing as i type this.....
geez......we all gotta get together for some sody pops some time..

ok,....the tank....

the only thin im worried about is the height of the new tank....it looks too high for the deck line.

you might have to measure that.

i would throw the new tank in the boat.....then measure (using your string lines) the height of the forward portion of the tank.......remember, you will need deck clearance.....

as well......the centre sender will need an access. you also want an access to the pickup, the fill and the vent at the tank.
there are many little 5 inch plastic access panels made for this.

my tank is up in the bow as well......i ran the plumbing down the side.....(geez fuel line is expensive).
but i didnt do the jog jog jog around the under dash carp.......man that is stooopid !

if you re locate the tank....you will need to glass over the existing fill hole.....and make a new one....keep that in mind.

the other thing is weight....

it is always better to keep a lower c of g on the boat.....so the belly tank is a good option.

trim tabs will be a real plus for you....so add them to your wish list.....start looking on cl for them.

most of the new style boats have the belly tank forward of the motor/bilge bulkhead....then the forward gas tank bulkhead is the ski locker compartment.

 

[Georgesalmon]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Just read through most of this this morning. Man, you are doing a through and really nice job on your re-store.

To the gas tank question; My thoughts are that you should put the tank directly in front of the engine. For the reasons of ease of hook-up and shortness of fill, vent and draw out lines. I think the weight issue can be handled easily with engine trim or at worst trim tabs. The original OMC did not have as much trim as more modern sterndrives. Hyd trim tabs are nice to have for adjusting boat attitude at different levels of weight distribution (Fore, Aft, Port, Stbd) during operation anyway if you went that route.

If you could move it ahead of the ski locker it would be nice but I think your going to have Fill line issues with the deck height where it is.

Lots of things to think about besides tank placement. You want the fill line and vent lines to run minimum level but better uphill all the way from the tank to the hull fittings. Vent lines must not have any dips in them to work properly (and should have a loop up at the hull end to keep water out). When you fill up the tank you also don't want to wait for the fuel to trickle in for an hour and a half at the pump.

As already said throw the tank in the boat and look at it. That will answer most of the questions.

I'm not sure how much room is in the engine compartment, any possibility you could stick the end of the tank with the fittings a few inches in there? Would solve a lot of possible height problems for you.

The tank does not have to be very far off the hull bottom, matter of fact you might just need a few strips of closed cell neoprene under it (with gaps to let bilge water run through in the center). When you glass in the stringers by the fuel tank location you might run the glass on the inside all the way to the keel to reinforce the hull bottom under the tank (overlap a couple of inches at the keel). Plastic tanks need room to grow (expand) and should only need maybe three supports under and a couple on top to keep it from moving around. Fore and Aft to of course. And, yeah, I wouldn't use the old metal tank. Coast Guard rules I think require access to inspect the rubber hoses once a year for new boat manufacturers and it's a good idea anyway. Keep that in mind as you figure out the install.

 

[Pmccraney]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Hey PM,

let me guess, you are going to try and out do Jas and his battery placement thread, i mean boat thread, with that question huh... i can see it now, add another 20 pages easy if you do it right like Jas. hahahah

Yeah, I figure this question will keep my thread bumped for a good 5 or 6 pages... Actually, I think I have already made up my mind!!!

I havn't stopped by for awhile but looks like you are doing a great job. It's all downhill from here

Thanks BN - Always glad to have you... While the course has definitely flattened some I don't think it will ever be downhill for this rookie (always learning something new and trying to figure it all out). P.S. you bought any new boats lately?

Although it won't be easy, I'd suggest thoughts of a weighted float using sandbags for weights..... Trim tabs may help get up on plane quicker & over come the aft weight bias.

Motor well box & suspension system look great!

Thanks JBC - Not sure what you mean on the weighted float - although I am intrigued. belly tank with trim tabs seems to be the consensus right now... Appreciate your insight... P.S. - have you bought any new boats lately?

Ok, three quick questions...

1. Is it possible to mount that tank at midships? In front of the ski locker? I'm guessing the fittings make it way too tall.

Will be tough as the bow starts to rise - although I am going to throw the tank in the boat... I had to empty about 10 gallons from it on Sunday before I could lift it into the boat...

2. Is there any possible way to mount it wonder the bow deck? I'm guessing too long/tall/awkward, huh.

Not with the existing tanks; Good thinking, though...

3. Does your wife know you are wearing her bedroom slippers to do boat work? I'm guessing not, because I know she really hates it when you do that.

Touche' - well played, my friend... I deserve that.. That said, I am not sure the one-handed tinny broker has standing to comment on work-place safety or attire right now... Just sayin' (yeah, I wasn't working that day - just cleaning up the shop a bit and checking on a few things...

sorry for the double post.....i had a laughing fit over the last line.....still laughing as i type this.....
geez......we all gotta get together for some sody pops some time..


[yeah, I wish we could hang out at some point...would be a blast]

i would throw the new tank in the boat.....then measure (using your string lines) the height of the forward portion of the tank.......remember, you will need deck clearance.....


[roger that, now that I have the old gas of it - will do!!]


it is always better to keep a lower c of g on the boat.....so the belly tank is a good option.

trim tabs will be a real plus for you....so add them to your wish list.....start looking on cl for them.

most of the new style boats have the belly tank forward of the motor/bilge bulkhead....then the forward gas tank bulkhead is the ski locker compartment.

I think I am going to go belly tank - the old rounded tank is going to get a good cleansing - and then it is going to the welder (stay tuned - I have something in mind for it).... I will use trim tabs if I am too "***" heavy..

Just read through most of this this morning. Man, you are doing a through and really nice job on your re-store.....

To the gas tank question; My thoughts are that you should put the tank directly in front of the engine....

Lots of things to think about besides tank placement.l.

George... Welcome Aboard!!! Wow... out of nowhere you jump in here with TONS of great ideas, feedback and information. Thank you! Coming in strong with the first post!!!

You definitely gave me some good things to think about. Thank you for taking an interest in my thread! I did some measuring and I think the tank will fit right in front of the engine... Will be snug, but I think it will work. Will throw the tank in there just to be sure.

Thanks guys; Have a good one.

~Patrick

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Hey buddy, to go along with what Ward was saying up there...

Here is my access to fittings and sender of my sub deck fuel tank...

...and here is the deck plate that will go there...

After we talked today Mrs. PMC called me to ask about her slippers. She said you denied ever seeing them. I told her..

"Nope, I haven't seen em either and I'm sure Patrick wasn't wearing them (again)."

I think she thinks that I'm an honest guy so don' let her read this or my credibility is blown! You owe me man, she was mad.



(Great chewin the fat with ya today bro)

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Fake weight the hull for the motor & a full load of gas using sand bags (lead, or lifting weights or whatever), and float her at a ramp near you & see how bad aft squat it's got. Then if moving tank forward is an option based on deck height, you can move the sand bags forward to check a mid-hull tank location...

Yeah, trim tabs....

To answer your question, there might be a line-up change coming to tin threads near me You're a very astute fellow

 

[chriscraft254]

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Use a screw in deck plate, the pry up type will ALWAYS leak water.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Use a screw in deck plate, the pry up type will ALWAYS leak water.

Shoot, I forgot PMC, glass boats don't like to get wet sub deck, disregard my photo, sorry man.

 

[Pmccraney]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

got a little done today.... bilge box is glued in and the stringers are set... Going to bed the stringers and hopefully get some glass on 'em tomorrow..

Have a good weekend, fellas.

 

[Decker83]

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Your moving now. It looks good.
Where ever you put your fuel cell just make sure you have a strong structure under it. That's alot of wieght when full.

How do you plan on bedding your stringers?
Hope you get alot done on her this weekend.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: Man vs. Boat (season 1).

Great looking progress... outstanding

 

[archbuilder]

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Just catching up......I'm guessing those are steel toed work boots that just look like slipper right? If not let me know, I'll Fed-Ex you some Red Wing work boots......this is really embarrassing for the forums......:facepalm: SLIPPERS?

On the tank I spent forever worrying about that....trust me the location of the ice chest is much more important! I would figure out where I want it and send these guys a drawing.

http://www.sptanks.com/webdev/home.htm

$300 and you have custom tank that fits where you want it. By the way the filler hose is REALLY stiff, don't plan on bending it in more than a 2' radius. Its also about the same price as the Keystone pipe line per linear foot. I'm not sure on the required permits, but you are the lawyer!

Nice progress, looking forward to your weekend update!