Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

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OhSnap

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Hopefully someone can help me with this one! I have some boat experience and 20 years automotive experience, so I have a little mechanical ability but this has me stumped.

I have a 1987 Four Winns Horizon 190, 19' boat with a GM 350 / Mercruiser 260HP with an Alpha One outdrive. It is not a closed cooling system and had a power steering fluid cooler, no engine oil cooler.

Never used in salt water (I was told, and it sure looks good for its age). The engine has overheated at speeds above idle since I bought it last year. I can idle the boat around the lake all day long and it runs cool, but at higher speeds, it overheats within 10-15 minutes and you can smell the exhaust tubes burning. Once, it even blew out the porcelain from the #8 spark plug? but left the metal threaded piece in the head. I believe the engine dieseled and ran backwards after it blew the plug and it shot the drive belts right off the engine and broke one. It appeared there was a little detonation as the electrode on the spark plug was beaten pretty good.

The temp gauge is a little sticky but it works. When the engine overheats is diesels, smells hot and the gauge will shoot up all the way (after I un-stick it). So im sure it is really overheating.

Here is what I have done so far (testing the boat with no improvement between each):
-I removed the hose that comes from the lower unit to the engine and ran the engine and it ran like a garden hose
-I replaced the impeller in the lower unit. The impeller I removed was old and the fins were bent and wouldn't spring back but all the fins were completely intact.
-I replaced the tstat with a marine OEM stat. Other stat may have been original? I had to pry it out in 4 pieces.
-Checked the water flow from the tail pipes. Water runs out of each pipe lightly, like a garden hose at ? volume on each side. There are times when one side runs more than the other. I assume that?s the checkballs for the risers that change this.
-Removed the checkball assembly near the stat housing. It appeared ok, it wasn?t frozen but I wasn't 100% sure what I was looking at.
-I removed and inspected the riser on the starboard side, very little rust inside.
-Replaced the belts
-I replaced the distributor cap, rotor, wires, plugs, water separator and adjusted the timing to book spec.
-Removed the new stat
-Put the new stat back in
-Removed the water pump and took off the back plate. The pump is original (black overspray visible on back plate). The impeller looks good, shaft is intact, bearing is good and it wasn't leaking, so I assume the seal is ok too.
-Opened the petcocks on both sides of the block and poured water in one of the hoses into the engine, the water flowed out freely

The engine runs smooth, just still overheats at higher than idle speeds.

Any advice would be great!
Thanks!
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

Get some clear hose and put it in the water line from the transom unit. Run your engine in the lake and watch the hose. The water stream should be solid, with no bubbles.

Chris......
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

Get some clear hose and put it in the water line from the transom unit. Run your engine in the lake and watch the hose. The water stream should be solid, with no bubbles.

Chris......

Thanks Chris! If there are bubbles does that mean the lower unit would be sucking in air from the intake holes? What would cause that?

I know that when the engine overheats at higher speeds, if I slow it back down to idle speed it will not lower the engine temp. I have to shut it down and wait. Sometimes after I restart the engine after a short wait, the temp will rocket back down and is again fine at slow speeds.

Appreciate the help!
 

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Try running on muffs with a lot of water flow. If it runs cooler then you may be able to point to the raw water pump & the feed system from it to the engine.
Also does the hose from the drive to the transom have a good shape without kinks or breaks?

OTOH if everything previously mentioned is copacetic you may want to check that the distributor is in the engine at the correct angle to the timing gear. You can look up how the distributor is set in the engine in the shop manual. It is checked by finding top dead center on a specified hole and then observing the distributor position. I only mention this because I remember having crappy old late 60's V8's as a kid that we would attempt to improve by bumping the timing up. They would do just what you are complaining about, plus one other thing. When warm they would crank really hard & slow for one or two revolutions then they'd start to spin or just start. Sometimes they would backfire on hot starts with a hard crank.
Good luck and please post your results, lots of us have that engine combination!
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

You claim to have replaced the impeller, did this include a new water pump base?
A warped base or leaking gasket will allow the pump to suck hot exaust.
 

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You also didn't mention checking the exhaust elbows.. If they are blocked up, then enough water could get past them to keep cool at low speed but not higher speeds (loads)....

Chris.......
 

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Are your manifolds running about the same temp? One may be blocked.

Have you checked the heat exchanger for blockage?
 

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...I have a 1987 Four Winns Horizon 190, 19' boat with a GM 350 / Mercruiser 260HP with an Alpha One outdrive. It is not a closed cooling system and had a power steering fluid cooler, no engine oil cooler....

...Have you checked the heat exchanger for blockage?

Where would we find the heat exchanger on this engine?
 

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Try running on muffs with a lot of water flow. If it runs cooler then you may be able to point to the raw water pump & the feed system from it to the engine.
Also does the hose from the drive to the transom have a good shape without kinks or breaks?

OTOH if everything previously mentioned is copacetic you may want to check that the distributor is in the engine at the correct angle to the timing gear. You can look up how the distributor is set in the engine in the shop manual. It is checked by finding top dead center on a specified hole and then observing the distributor position. I only mention this because I remember having crappy old late 60's V8's as a kid that we would attempt to improve by bumping the timing up. They would do just what you are complaining about, plus one other thing. When warm they would crank really hard & slow for one or two revolutions then they'd start to spin or just start. Sometimes they would backfire on hot starts with a hard crank.
Good luck and please post your results, lots of us have that engine combination!

I will check the hoses to be sure. Can I run the engine at high speed with the muffs long enough to get the same results?

I also used to advance the timing at the Epping track on my Mustang to get a little more power, but in this case I backed the timing down about 1-2 degrees from what the book called for. I set it at zero and got the lugging sound that you should get at 0, so I would have to say the distributor is in correctly. I did remove the distributor because the cap was seized on it and I had to drill the screws out and retap the holes. I then reset the distributor when I was done.

Will definately post results when I find it... love a good challenge (to a point) :)
 
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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

You claim to have replaced the impeller, did this include a new water pump base?
A warped base or leaking gasket will allow the pump to suck hot exaust.

im trying to remember... I bought the kit at the dealer. If I remember correctly it had the base, impeller, gaskets (for sure). and I want to say it had the housing but I can't say for sure.
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

You also didn't mention checking the exhaust elbows.. If they are blocked up, then enough water could get past them to keep cool at low speed but not higher speeds (loads)....

Chris.......

These are the risers correct? If so I checked the Starboard side only and it looked pretty good... just a little scaled rust.
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

Are your manifolds running about the same temp? One may be blocked.

Have you checked the heat exchanger for blockage?

They feel equal to the touch... I did not put a temp gauge to it though, could it be that slight?

No heat exchanger on this one.
 

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No don't rev it too much on the muffs, bad for things. And don't run it at all unless the drive is down, tilted drive & revs kills stuff.
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

No don't rev it too much on the muffs, bad for things. And don't run it at all unless the drive is down, tilted drive & revs kills stuff.

Ah, I wondered... Thanks for all the info. I am planning on working on it this weekend.
 

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OhSnap,

Had the same problem and did all that you did and then some.
Problem lasted two years and $1200 later.
Untill I found the cause. It was the flaps inside the exhaust just past the manifolds. BOTH flaps , that prevent sea water from entering the engine were stainless steel, but BOTH flaps were damaged.

I had my son take it out while I would shot the piping and mainfolds with infra red temp sensor and would see the port get hot while the starboard side would stay cool. The next day just the opposite would happen.

I replaced these two flapsl($35.00 each) that the two years of nusiance overheating problem that you exactly described, was resolved.

I just wish someone would have checked these out sooner.
Took sometime, but that what it was.

They tell me they last about 10 years...my boat is a 95 Maxum.

Check these flaps and see if they are in working order.
I'm guessing they aren't...My mechanic also said, (after I told him that I found the problem) , that many people are clueless aboout those flaps , they break off and slide down .
Only when they block the flow are they noticed because of the overheating.


Good Luck
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

To check for them remove the exhaust rubber section and reach into the collector, on my 5.7 260 they are right at the entry to the y shaped exhaust collector. Exhaust flapper. I did mine last year because they were burned and noisy.
 

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can you show where they are on a drawing?
 

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Go here

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?p=1693398#post 1693398

download & save the manual for your engine and drive. Look it up in the exhaust section. Or, just do as I said and pull the rubber elbows and look in the exhaust. It's real obvious, take a look. If there is a shutter in the pipe, good, if there is none look down the pipe for burned up old shutters or parts. On your engine there is one for each side.
The new style look completely different, look up water shutter in any of the online Mercruiser parts sources. Like at iboats parts, http://www.iboats.com/Mercruiser-Wa...7340490--**********.238742889--view_id.268813.
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

Would I have shutters. I have a through Hull exhaust - straight rubber pipe from manifold back. I do have rubber flappers on the outside of the hull that would close from a wave hitting the stern.

Sorry for my ignorance - newbe here
 

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Re: Mercruiser 260 HP OVERHEATING - Im Stumped!

This is the drawing from your engine (1987 260hp) and shows the old style shutter. It's #6 in the drawing...

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