Mixed-race family

[xtraham]

Re: Mixed-race family

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Thanks for the compliments Tom (xtraham).

you're welcome, and well deserved

 

[Pony]

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Haut:

But I will say I don't think that any race or mix thereof is either superior or inferior to any other....
& I certainly don't harbor any hatred for anyone who has a different skin color than me......
We are all human beings.....

It is my humble opinion that it is impossible to believe that AND at the same time agree with Miscegeny being a prosecutable offense.

You guys are entitled to your beliefs.......thats what is great about America. At the same time I find it offensive and shameful that this type of racism still exists. And yes it is a form of racism, whether intended or not.

 

[QC]

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Well I don't think Haut has said prosecutable, that was an rmmpe thing.

Haut,

Are you trying to say that you just like the visual variety and want to keep it that way? I previously saw your grey comment, and have recently read predictions of the death of blue eyes, but I just pass right by that stuff. I can't and don't want to do anything about it, so I don't give it a second thought.

I like pure bred dogs. I am a dog snob for sure, although I pretty much like all dogs, I prefer smart ones with a certain appearance. We have neighbors that bred a clearly messed up Lab, dumb as a stump, a runner and absolutely no ability to control her own drool. Flippin' everywhere. They have kept one of the males from that litter. Luckily he is smarter than mom, but his front paws are bent outward and he has already had to have surgery. There are 7 others out there from this litter, all fully papered. Should not have happened. Aren't your comments the same thing except with humans?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Who said anything about prosecutable offense?
Not me.....
In fact I said:I would not impose my beliefs on anyone with regard to the aforementioned.....
Or try to regulate it, even if it were possible..... JK

 

[xtraham]

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but you must admit QC,
some humans should have papers,
and some actually do!...............

 

[Pony]

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No haut you didnt say that, I know that rmmpe said it.......I was simply going on the fact that you said "rmmpe pretty much sums up what I believe....."

But if it makes you feel better I will change what I wrote.

"It is my humble opinion that it is impossible to believe that AND at the same time agree with Miscegeny being wrong."

No matter what I put there your belief is still a great big contradiction in my eyes. We can battle semantics all day long.....

 

[Dunaruna]

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[technostingray]

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Edit

You have mail, in case you didn't know.

 

[jtexas]

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...
It is my humble opinion that it is impossible to believe that AND at the same time agree with Miscegeny being wrong.

Luckily, humans have an infinite capacity for cognitive dissonance, the ability to hold two seemingly contradictory beliefs at the same time.

 

[rmmpe]

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Hey QC,
Now you've done it. Really screwed up this thread, you did.

You went and introduced logic (I just hate it when that happens).

My personal beliefs have nothing to do with logic and really don't have to be. Like everyone else here, we can speak our minds and run the risk of contradiction.

Being ridiculed for them is quite another thing and an exhibition of pomposity.

Nothing I've read here has provoked my anger.

Although prejudiced, I don't believe I am racist to any great degree. However, if I am in error, that's OK too. I am entitled to be wrong, just as people are entitled to be angry. The defining difference is what is done with that anger or error. Expressing it is a far cry from excercising or inflicting it.

 

[QC]

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rmmpe,

I totally agree on one thing. I am 100 times more concerned with actual behavior than thoughts. If one is not hurting anybody he/she is a waaay better human than a "non-racist" who is. Agreed.

Explain to me your prejudice vs. racist thing. I believe we all discriminate, that's how our brains work. If I see a white guy driving a beat up car, at 3:00 AM, cruising slowly by my house, I suspect he is up to no good. That's simply logical, and good caution. If I see a black guy in a well cared for car, getting gas near me at the pumps, I don't assume that he is any more likely to be plotting to rob the joint than I am. To me those are making decisisons on our abiltity to discriminate. How does your prejudice change your aproach to those two scenarios?

 

[technostingray]

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Standing on the corner, watching all the girls go by
Oh, you can't go to jail for what you thinkin'
Or for the wooooooo look in your eye. ooooooooooooooooops maybe you can ?? ???

 

[CJY]

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Incredible, and I really don't know what else to say except that my wife is 1/2 Japanese. You all know where I stand.

 

[Pony]

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No offense intended, but I dont necessarily see how living in Detroit was the cause of your prejudice. Its all how you choose to view the situation. IMHO. I live in Milwaukee, which along with Detroit are the two most segregated cities in the country. I have seen my grandma get robbed and my dad have a gun held to his head. I dont see it as racial, simply a poverty thing.

Idk, I think....not to bring it up again.....that my age comes into play. I was raised in a time well after the race riots my mom lived in during the 60's here when she lived a block from the segregation line etc. I have only lived in a time when prejudice wasnt the norm and isnt accepted.

I often wonder if I lived though those things and during those times that somehow my view would be different.......be closer to yours.

I semi agree with QC in that actions of racism are much much worse than thoughts......but at the same don't think that thoughts are unharmful.

 

[QC]

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I dont see it as racial, simply a poverty thing.

I used to believe this, but why then are some of the poorest people in the world the least likely to be criminals? If it is poverty, why do people like Ken Lay steal? This is one of those things that has steered me more conservative, as I grew up very liberal. I don't believe that economics play much of a role in criminal behavior anymore. I see this as behavior and actions once again. It is values that keep people from stealing, not money. Envy or belief that you have been screwed may enhance that same behavior, but once again it is people's decisions and beliefs that control their actions.

There are millions (billions) of poor people who live absolutely honorable lives, and there are definitely plenty of criminals with money AND power. William Jefferson comes to mind . . .

 

[Pony]

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I agree that poverty does not always, and often doesnt equal criminal activity......but in the cases mentioned i still think it does. I have no doubt in my mind that everything stolen from my grandmas house over a couple of different events all got sold for liquor or drug money. (including my dads 1956 little evinrude)

 

[mikeandronda]

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I cant believe Huat being one biggest left wing people on this board and having one of the most left leaning opinions on this board believes in segragation sp?..........Unfreakin believable I say.......:| Wow wheres that liberal heart you throw around here so often......Oh I see thats only for people you like. Like whitey....gotcha......Hey since we are looking up the meaning of words, lets try hypocrit.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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No more beer!
It obviously impairs your ability to read & comprehend my posts.................JK
& your spelling suffers, too........:$

 

[rmmpe]

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To QC's question of prejudice and racist:
I am prejudice in my dislike for people of a certain type, rather than color. If many of them happen to be of color, I look at how they appear. If they are uniformly dressed in pants that hang below their cracks and wear their hats sideways while inflicting themselves on others, I judge them to be undesireable. Regardless of color.

If some White guy is cruising my neighborhood in the middle of the night in a crappy car, I don't assume he is lost. If I see a well-dressed Black guy getting gas for a nice car, I assume he's simply getting gas.

I lived in Detroit before, during and after the riots. In fact, I was at 12th and Grand River during them. No-one singled-out this "Whitebread" and I was pretty much ignored. I also grew up on the East Coast and worked for a time in Harlem, where I never had a problem.

However, when living in Michigan, I was often exposed to, and affected by, low-class blacks. The arrogance and wide-spread "My granddaddy was a Slave and I ain't gonna put up with that and you owe me a living" crap taught me a few things. It's that arrogance and those hostile attitudes that I am prejudice against. It's a class thing more than a color thing.

I don't like extremists of any ilk. Black militants and/or Neo-Nazis.

To Pony,
Get off the age thing. That has nothing to do with anything. It's more an exposure thing. It is merely the way things are that youth has less exposure.
I'd say to you;
Let's compare notes when you've experienced more.....NOT "when you are older". They are not 1 in the same.
Confused yet?
I'm getting there.

 

[QC]

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However, when living in Michigan, I was often exposed to, and affected by, low-class blacks. The arrogance and wide-spread "My granddaddy was a Slave and I ain't gonna put up with that and you owe me a living" crap taught me a few things. It's that arrogance and those hostile attitudes that I am prejudice against. It's a .

First, I would submit that you were exposed to "low-class" people, with rotten values and a victim mentality.

Second, if it is honestly a "class thing more than a color thing" I do not understand your miscegeny comments at all . . .

Third, agreement is really not important to me. I am, however interetsted in where we differ. If I take your original words literally, you and I view these things VERY differently. If I take your latest words literally, I am not sure where we differ, except that you believe that we can breed values. I am not sure if you think we can breed them out or in, but it would seem once again we are talking about behavior, not genetics . . .