My Big Tyee 5.3 Slowww Simmered Resto'

[lakeorbay]

Re: My Big Tyee 5.3 Slowww Simmered Resto'

Did you plan to replace it with pour-in foam or cut sheets?

Cut sheets is the plan. Honestly when I get done I don't want to ever have go under the deck again, but if I do have the need, it would be much easier to remove than pour-in.

I'm a bit apprehensive about the cut sheets. Matching the contours seems like it would be a pain. I will probably have a lot more air pockets and crevices for water to get trapped in. Maybe if I found a good thread on the topic, then maybe I would feel better about it.

Thanks for your interest.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: My Big Tyee 5.3 Slowww Simmered Resto'

With all those little broken up areas you've got under there....I'd really check into the pool noodle idea. The cut sheets will work also and as long as you make sure all your draingage is clear I don't think you'd be trapping any water.

 

[lakeorbay]

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With all those little broken up areas you've got under there....I'd really check into the pool noodle idea. The cut sheets will work also and as long as you make sure all your draingage is clear I don't think you'd be trapping any water.

It's going to be between pool noodles or cut sheets. Maybe even a combination of the two if it makes sense when the time comes, unfortunately, the time is not to come soon enough.

 

[lakeorbay]

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I hate to do it, but what the hell, I ripped everything else out.......might as well tear out the livewell too. I can't speak for other boats because this is the first boat I've owned of this caliber, but Lunds are built SOLID. My livewell was installed so snug I was starting to doubt whether I could even get it out without destroying it or part of the boat.

I did some poking around and didn't get or find much feedback, so without knowing what I was doing, I dug in.

Here's a shot of how packed the foam was before I started picking away at it.

It started off as timid picking and ended with me going complete caveman clawing at it.

I dug down and cut out the hoses.

Then I dug down on this side. If you look close, you can see I dug out past the bottom (on both sides).

When I got to the bottom, I expected it to eventually pop loose. Oh no! the grip of that foam is very strong. There was no more foam for me to remove, so I just started prying. At one point I had to except the fact that I was going to have to buy a replacement livewell after I tore this one out. After walking away many times (calm down), I finally felt some give. I worked that weak spot until the whole thing broke loose.

Here's the cavity it left. Only one little dribble of water in there.

Hopefully I can reinstall this as well as the first time.

Now I can move on to removing the foam from the entire boat. Big fun awaits.

 

[lakeorbay]

Would you patch this or this?

Would you patch this or this?

Believe it or not, I bought it like this. I know, I'm numb in the head region. Never had this boat (in running order) on the water to know if this gash is a problem.

It looks bad, that much I know. It would be a bit embarrassing, especially since it wasn't me that put it there. I'm not sure how the repair would stand up to heavy slamming on the water. Before the economy dropped out on me, I already had it in my head, that was going to have a patch made over it whether it was a problem or not. But now, with less cash to deal with I'm thinking about leaving it and deal with it later if it becomes a problem. I wouldn't have to rip the boat apart too bad to get to it later if need be. Trying to match paint might not be easy.

Here's another one.

This doesn't go all the way through the hull, but may cause a small bit of drag or a spot for dirt to pack into. Who knows what other problems it may cause, but if the majority of you think it's not worth bothering with, I will leave it. I'm not sure how I would patch that one anyway.

Before I continue my restore I'm getting as many nagging questions out of the way as possible and these are a couple of them. Have patience with me, because there's more to come. Thanks for any input.

 

[Woodonglass]

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Sand it down really good. Wash the area with 50/50 White vinegar and water. Dry. Buy a product called SuperMend. Fill the area with it using a plastic putty knife. Be as neat as possible and feather it as best you can. Let it dry for 48 hrs Sand and fair, and then Buy some Coat-It. Give it a couple of coats of this. Sand and Fair. Paint. It will hardly be noticable when you're done. Do the same for the gouge in the keel. She'll look almost like new.

 

[drewpster]

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If those welds are holding and you do not have any leaks then I say the repair at the bow is cosmetic and definitely fixable with a little fillers and paint. The keel is another matter. I think I would need a patch on that one.

BTW- The hole in the keel looks like a bonehead was running the forklift that day and drove a fork in to it.

 

[lakeorbay]

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That's the ticket! Glad I asked. It's always nice to get some feedback before I go and do something stupid.

 

[Bob_VT]

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Establish is you are going functional or cosmetic. The welded gash on the hull can be sanded to bare aluminum and use some gray marine tex or PC11 (that is the marine version) to fill the area. Just a light coat at first then build it up with a 2nd or 3rd coat..... sand, prime and paint. It is always going to be there and the worst is that YOU know where it is.

The keel cover on the bottom is a different story. Yes a patch will be needed and there ways to make your own and put in a rivet or two in to hold it in place then once again use PC11 or marine tex to smooth out the edges. Water gets in the keel and drain out in a few places via small drilled holes. You "could" fill that section of the keel with marine tex or pc11, use a piece of screen or mesh in the hole and patch it BUT make sure there is a new drain hole in front and behind that spot a few inches away on each side. The holes are less than a 1/4" and when you examine the keel you will see a few others. It is just a wear strip on your keel. The rivets that hold it on to the hull get beat up and that is where it will leak. That is the reason gluvit is used on the inside of the hull.

Do not be surprised if you find a few rivets that look like leaker's because they are there and need to be sealed too.

What is the status of your repair from the other thread???? Is it still stripped out? Let me know.

 

[lakeorbay]

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What is the status of your repair from the other thread???? Is it still stripped out? Let me know.

Once again Bob, thanks for your interest. The boat was pushed to the bottom of the list of "important" things to do (where it still should be for another 6 months), but this is the time of year I can't get fishing, camping and boating out of my head.....so I'm squeezing it in.

It's all stripped out and I just had it in the water today. I found the leak. To my untrained eyes, it's bad. I'm going to let it dry out and tomorrow I plan to take some pics to post up.

I will try and describe it. I have a weld that goes the full length of the boat. There is water welling up from 3-4 places along the weld at a rate of about 1/2 gallon per minute. One area is about 4" long, with a hairline crack that runs along side the weld. Water comes in so fast, it's hard to tell, but I think (hope) the leaks are localized to one area because of a previous encounter with a sub surface rock formation, reef, floating tree.....heck, maybe even a whale. Whatever it was, it was big. I will explain in my next thread.

 

[Bob_VT]

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I will combine this with your original thread. Glad you got the "bug" to get it going. Hmmmm leak due to a crack? Maybe you should consider getting it welded. If you can identify the crack it may be cheaper then you think.

 

[lakeorbay]

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Thanks for connecting the two threads for me Bob. When I ask a new question in my resto thread, I believe it tends to gets lost. So, I started asking more specific questions in individual threads (with specific question in the title). It seems to produce more response that way. After they get viewed and I receive some response, it would be nice to have a tool to add it to my resto thread some kind of way.

Before I move on to "The Crack", let me back up a bit and show some progress from the past. Don't want all that hard work going unmentioned. After removing the floor, consoles and livewell, it was time to deal with the dreaded foam.

Here's a pic of the helm area before the livewell came out.

I didn't get any feedback on the best way to get the foam out, so I had to develop my own methods.

I started with stealing a knife from the kitchen (the wife still doesn't know).

I cut the foam into sections, then used a flatbar to get these clean block forms.

Progress.....

....almost done with the helm area.

.....that was so much fun, I can't wait to do the stern area. Maybe I'll take a month off 1st.

 

[lakeorbay]

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I think I actually did take a month off, but good thing for the thread, that was last year.

It's a shame all of the foam had to come out for an application of Gluvit because it was in great shape. It was not water logged and tight in every crevice possible. I would imagine the foam made for a quiet, solid ride. The foam was so thoroughly embedded in the crevices, I was really not looking forward to trying to get it out.

I refined my techniques from earlier and made this process a little less painful.

I added a new tool to the equation. For the young ones out there that have never seen one before, it's call a hand saw. Power tools made this the best and last chance of getting out of the tool box.

First I made a cross cut.....

.....then a lateral cut along the joist.

I opted for an angled cut because I thought I would have trouble getting a square block out.

Get out the old trusty flatbar and start to pry.....

.....almost looks like I know what I'm doing.

.....do some more prying (down to bare metal now).....

I made it up as I went and it got easier as I went.

 

[lakeorbay]

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..........and BAM!

The method I came up with worked out pretty trick. Unlike my caveman tactics used on the livewell.

Anyway, on to "The Crack"........one of these days.

 

[sprintst]

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I thought foam removal was the worst...or was it paint removal Somehow that stupid foam still sticks in my mind as being a pain.

 

[lakeorbay]

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No new progress update, but I do have more questions.

Before I move on away from the foam topic, I want to ask, why was my foam not soaked and wet? I keep hearing the waterlogged foam stories. With the amount of water my boat lets in, it should be soaked. There was just a moist layer between the foam and the hull, but NOT IN the foam (even when I flooded the boat to search for the leak). I'm not complaining, I just want to understand. I'm going to try to re-foam myself. After a project this size and the time consumed, I want to try and get right whatever Lund did. I don't know if it was the process or the type of foam they used, but I want to try my best to duplicate it. I think the foam removed from my boat was 2-part and that's what I plan on replacing it with. It seemed real solid and structural.

What sort of foam are people referring to when they say it was waterlogged? Can 2-part foam get waterlogged? What is the best type or best process to prevent that? Is it a dice roll?

Thanks.......

 

[ezmobee]

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Your foam is two-part pourable. Many people here have been getting it from U.S. Composites http://www.uscomposites.com/foam.html Two-part foam certainly can become waterlogged. Guess you were just lucky! Who knows.

 

[lakeorbay]

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Here's the skeleton of the boat bow to stern, foam free.

Bow

Helm area

Middle area

Stern (looking back)

I'm glad that's over. I still have some detailing to do. After all that work, I don't want the last little bits of foam to block the Gluvit from getting in all of the important cracks and crevices. Maybe the Gluvit will seep right through the foam.

 

[ezmobee]

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I'd powerwash the heck out of it.

 

[lakeorbay]

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So, I found the leak.

Everyone likes pics, but this is where I might get a a bit excessive. In some threads, I've seen photos that I wasn't exactly sure what part of the boat I was looking at. I feel like this might be the most critical part of my resto', so I want to try and provide the best understanding of the situation in an attempt to get the most out of any help offered up.

The stories this boat would tell if it could talk.....
I can image a look of terror on the previous owners face when he hit whatever did this.
.....and the look later when he hit the bilge pump and water came pouring out, must have been pretty grim.

This pic makes so much more sense now. I was wondering what could have caused this. I suspect an encounter with a sub-surface boulder or tree stump.


To orientate yourself to where the damage is, here's a pic looking forward with damage being in the circled area. (most of the following pics will be turned 90 degrees with the port side at the top and the starboard side at the bottom.

Close ups of the damaged areas (signified by the yellow X's) will be in the next segment. The blue line is the leak. Water comes welling up in various spots along this line. The red line is where the boat raked across whatever caused the damage.

Pic of the damaged area from the underside.

Even if it wasn't for the dirt and scum the damage doesn't look very significant. You can't really see it, so I added the red line. That is where the boat slammed into the object. The painted spots is where most of the water was spewing out when I filled the boat with water.

I will be adding more later.