Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

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NSBCraig

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Do you know what a mikes hard lemonade is? 3 of them is probably the same thing as 1 beer.

SORRY BUT SOOOOOOOO WRONG!!

Mikes 5%
Budweiser 5%


So 3 mikes = 3 Budweisers
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Jeffski,

Being boat folks, I think most of us can definitely see where you're coming from not wanting to bother to go out on the water if you've got to come back in only an hour or two. But as was said earlier, you did not adequately communicate either the importance of being on time or the time commitment of the boating day to your guest.

You invited her, you waited for her, then you welched. IMO it's as plain as that. You were still obligated to take her out that day...though certainly not obligated to do it again.
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

MAN am i glad i don't drink,smoke,drive,boat,swim,hike, OR HAVE A FRIGGIN LIFE. If you don't want to drink then don't. But a person can drink and be safe, get off youre high horse and leave it alone.
I guess we will have to take the stripper pole off our boat now.
 

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mommicked

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Im no expert when it comes to women.just ask my wife!I think I was at one time,but I was cuter then also!.I think she may have had second thoughts about this trip after comitting,maybe she spoke to mutual friends of yours.im not trying to judge you,just help.she may have felt that this might be a little awkward.the two of you alone,and she may not want to take your friendship further than that.you may not either, but she may not know that.If you like her company,I would suggest another try w other friends along w her.then everyone may have a good time and she may become more open to going again,maybe just the two of you.just my opinion which is based on your posts.I could be way off base not knowing you or her or your history.
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Got an empty right here in the kitchen....5% alcohol - same as all the beer empties sitting beside it. :D

Rather than be a priss, teetotaler, or any other kind or moral judge (we've all probably had some wicked hangovers in our time - and continue to do so) we're trying to communicate that it's a well known fact combining alcohol with boating is not the same as drinking on your deck. Sun, wind, boat motion all contribute to impairing you more than on land when alcohol is introduced to the equation.

Downing three in quick succession and hanging out swimming sounds nice, but there's probably a good chunk of time where you're not going to be as competent as you should be to operate the boat. Around here it's called being in care and control of the vessel - even if you are anchored.

Should you have to jump to the helm suddenly on short notice to do something before your expected couple of hours relaxing has elapsed, that's when it gets dangerous.

Just some food for thought. Glad you had a good day on the water though. I'm stuck at home doing yard work...

I hang out on islands. I understand what you're trying to say - however I do like to have a few drinks when I'm not planning to go anywhere for hours. If there is some kind of "emergency" then I guess I'll have to risk it.. or instruct someone else on where to go ..
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

I don't care.



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And finally, I don't care.

Who give a rip about this kind of story. It happens in boating sure, but it happens in just about every aspect of life and you think this is something different???

If you really didn't care, you wouldn't have wasted the time to type out a response.
 

Thajeffski

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Im no expert when it comes to women.just ask my wife!I think I was at one time,but I was cuter then also!.I think she may have had second thoughts about this trip after comitting,maybe she spoke to mutual friends of yours.im not trying to judge you,just help.she may have felt that this might be a little awkward.the two of you alone,and she may not want to take your friendship further than that.you may not either, but she may not know that.If you like her company,I would suggest another try w other friends along w her.then everyone may have a good time and she may become more open to going again,maybe just the two of you.just my opinion which is based on your posts.I could be way off base not knowing you or her or your history.

She was going to beerfest at 4pm :p asked me if I wanted to join her.

Funny thing, for all the crap I'm taking in this thread - and I don't like beer.

I turned her down because I knew i'd be enjoying myself on the beach at 330 instead :p even if I was alone.
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Funny thing, for all the crap I'm taking in this thread

I'll give you credit, you are being a good sport with all the responses.....
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Yup, that lovely thread with the photos of your young guests "chugging" beers via a funnel - which has absolutely no purpose, other than to get someone very drunk, very quickly. Well, that and being immature show-offs.

Talk to marine LEO somtime about rafting parties with drinking involved. They spend inordinate amounts of time having to deal with them in general and the same goes for dealing with the aftermath of them. That's were lots BUIs occur and that's where lots of incidents occur.

BTW, drinking 3 "lemonades" before swimming and doing all the other stuff that you mentioned, suggests that the period of consumption is pretty short. Those three drinks would put you pretty close to being legally drunk in any state in the country, depending on just how fast you drank them, your body weight, etc. Even short of being legally drunk, you would be impaired in a number of critical ways. That's for the "regular lemonades." If you were drinking Mikes Hard Lemonade (8%), you would be quite a bit over the legal limit in all 50 states.

As for needing to relax, perhaps you didn't read my post carefully. Two weeks ago, I listened to a mother and father describe hauling their dead daughter out of a canal, after she insisted on going swimming while drunk. The father jumped in the water to find her under the surface, with an arm that he had broken in two places, three days prior to that. The mother described the mental image that as she put it, "she will carry for the rest of her life." That image was of her daughter's face, lips, etc., being "as blue as could be."

As it turned out, she wasn't "completely dead" at the time. She survived on a heart/lung machine in the hospital for about four hours, until her organs began to shut down. So, on top of thinking she was dead and seeing what appeared to be her lifeless body at the dock, they had to agonize for hours and then make the decision to "pull the plug." How long do you think that reality will haunt them? How about, "forever?"

This is a consequence that you need to hear. Three drinks before swimming is enough to result in a tragic situation. Encouraging young girls to put alcohol down their throats via a funnel, puts you right smack in the middle of tragedy, should one of those girls get hurt or killed.

I don't usually get in people's faces around here, but you brought this on yourself. There is a really good group of folks on the iboats forums and the vast majoity practice and encourage safe boating. I'd like to see things stay that way.



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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Yup, that lovely thread with the photos of your young guests "chugging" beers via a funnel - which has absolutely no purpose, other than to get someone very drunk, very quickly. Well, that and being immature show-offs.

Talk to marine LEO somtime about rafting parties with drinking involved. They spend inordinate amounts of time having to deal with them in general and the same goes for dealing with the aftermath of them. That's were lots BUIs occur and that's where lots of incidents occur.

BTW, drinking 3 "lemonades" before swimming and doing all the other stuff that you mentioned, suggests that the period of consumption is pretty short. Those three drinks would put you pretty close to being legally drunk in any state in the country, depending on just how fast you drank them, your body weight, etc. Even short of being legally drunk, you would be impaired in a number of critical ways. That's for the "regular lemonades." If you were drinking Mikes Hard Lemonade (8%), you would be quite a bit over the legal limit in all 50 states.

As for needing to relax, perhaps you didn't read my post carefully. Two weeks ago, I listened to a mother and father describe hauling their dead daughter out of a canal, after she insisted on going swimming while drunk. The father jumped in the water to find her under the surface, with an arm that he had broken in two places, three days prior to that. The mother described the mental image that as she put it, "she will carry for the rest of her life." That image was of her daughter's face, lips, etc., being "as blue as could be."

As it turned out, she wasn't "completely dead" at the time. She survived on a heart/lung machine in the hospital for about four hours, until her organs began to shut down. So, on top of thinking she was dead and seeing what appeared to be her lifeless body at the dock, they had to agonize for hours and then make the decision to "pull the plug." How long do you think that reality will haunt them? How about, "forever?"

This is a consequence that you need to hear. Three drinks before swimming is enough to result in a tragic situation. Encouraging young girls to put alcohol down their throats via a funnel, puts you right smack in the middle of tragedy, should one of those girls get hurt or killed.

I don't usually get in people's faces around here, but you brought this on yourself. There is a really good group of folks on the iboats forums and the vast majoity practice and encourage safe boating. I'd like to see things stay that way.



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Just because you are super uptight about drinking on the water doesn't mean that you are 100% correct in belittling others.

You do not have first hand knowledge about what I do and where I go. If I typed out my entire day some of your points here are invalid.

#1 - the girls in the photo were 22-25. ONE of them was 19, she was drinking a NON-alcoholic beer.

#2 - I was drinking mikes HARD (5%) not their "harder" (8%)

#3 - Where I "swim" is on a beach, where I'm always touching, we do not "JUMP" into the water by any means. It's like you were at a beach all day.

#4 Obviously you see these things which are results from people drinking WAY TOO MUCH on the water. That is not what I do.

Keep on preaching but your authoritative tone is not helping you get your message across. Instead it detracts from your side of the argument because most of us are sitting here saying "wow how uptight" and dismiss most of what you say. (At least I am)
 

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I'll give you credit, you are being a good sport with all the responses.....

there will always be people (especially on the internet) who love to tell others how to live their lives. I look at it like this:

In 30 years:

- I've never had a run in with the law. Not ONCE.

- Never been in an accident, car, boat, jetski.

- Never smoked a cig

- Until I was 21 I didn't even know what any kind of alch tasted like because I had never had any.


Half of these people who are bashing me probably didn't achieve many of those so their arguments are worthless to me.
 

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there will always be people (especially on the internet) who love to tell others how to live their lives. I look at it like this:

In 30 years:

- I've never had a run in with the law. Not ONCE.

- Never been in an accident, car, boat, jetski.

- Never smoked a cig

- Until I was 21 I didn't even know what any kind of alch tasted like because I had never had any.


Half of these people who are bashing me probably didn't achieve many of those so their arguments are worthless to me.

Thats excellent!
 

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WOW this thread has gone off in a tangent.

This is a hard one to talk about.

I am all for NOT drinking and driving boating bungee jumping gocarting etc..

I am for freedom of Choice. For those who are getting on him for drinking on the water. my suggestion is BAck off, he is an adult and seems he can make his own decisions. and to me they seem pretty ok. not the best but WAY not the worst.

Yes it is good to remind people what drinking can do to you. I am a recovering addict/alcoholic (14 years) I know where things can go. although I have never had a DUI or an accident while being intoxicated.

Bro. what you do is your business. I am ok with your choices But remember this is a forum for every person on your side there is one on the other side. so the only change I personally think you need to make.. be careful what you say. or be ready to hear from the "i have a different opinion than you's"

One last thing. if you SEE someone boating (etc) Impaired then you jump on them. this guy seems to know his limit. and he stuck with it. thats why its called a LIMIT. you can have that much.. but not any more. less than limit good over limit bad.. good, you don't chastise BAd then post away.. if you don't know for sure. maybe mention it then drop it.

Now I think we have all heard the suggestions about drinking and boating. i think we adults. take the info and use it..or don't let's get back to talking about the girl he was trying to land...


WHere are those pictures. I'll tell you if you made a good choice or not. :D
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

now I know he is nuts :) :)
mmm had my first run in with the law at 16, not long after I got my drivers license, about the same time the alcohol issues arrived. ciggarettes was at 19.

but to leave anyone on the dock, especially female?
aint gonna happen.
and yes, non water folks the first trip is typically an hour or less.
wont be the first ones I ever had simply get scared at the distance from dry land.
had a gal some years back made me shut down between colington and wanchese and go back cause she was scared.
idled all the way back, about 7 miles, steady telling her even if the boat sinks the water between here and shore is less than 4ft deep.the next trip worked a lot better. :)
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Do you know what a mikes hard lemonade is? 3 of them is probably the same thing as 1 beer.

Its a drink for girls. HAHA, and they are actually 5% alc. by Vol. same as a manly budweiser... so its kinda like a budweiser for girls.
 

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WHere are those pictures. I'll tell you if you made a good choice or not. :D

The last time I posted pictures of the chicks I hang out with the post got reported and then deleted.

They all had their bikini's on (for the pictures anyway) and none of them were doing anything illegal.

Long story short, won't be posting any more pics because if a girl has on a short sleeve shirt around here I might end up banned.
 

Thajeffski

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

Do you know what a mikes hard lemonade is? 3 of them is probably the same thing as 1 beer.

Its a drink for girls. HAHA, and they are actually 5% alc. by Vol. same as a manly budweiser... so its kinda like a budweiser for girls.

which just makes it even more laughable that I'm getting crap for it.
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

jeffski
just know your limits with tah so called gurly drink :).
I was setting fence posts in my horse pasture some years ago in late july.
had a 12 pack of schmirnoff Ice in the truck.
drank all 12, fence line, well I wont post my late fathers comments, but the hangover was intense. and before I get flamed, I never was more than 300 ft from my front porch.

man they go down slick when its hot.
but I do understand what your saying, however I would have taken the person out for a quick spin anyway.
always a way to make a non boater a boater, well kind of.
 

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I really don't see any problem. I have had fun many times by myself. Plus you don't need any protection.:D
 

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Re: Non-boaters, do we blame them??? Just left a girl at the dock!

So, you're 30 years old and still think that pouring beer down someone's gullet with a funnel and hose is a good way to enjoy life. You also still seem to think its a responsible thing to do so in a marine environment.

OK, carry on. When you do get to know "uncle leo" a little better, which if you keep that sort of thing up, you probably will, you can tell us about how mean they were to you.

I'm done, but I do have a thought to leave you with. My friend's daughter, who was in her twenties too, had never died before. That didn't stop her from trowning in five feet of water, in a canal and about two feet from a dock and 15 feet from the bank. She too, thought that her parents were being "bores" when they told her not to swim.



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