Outboard smashed into rocks, help plz

[racerone]

??----I only work on a few and I know that the cowling changed in 89 on those 2 cylinder models !!

 

[fireman57]

Come on man, calm down. This is not a competition. It is supposed to be a friendly place to help people that aren't as smart in the matters as you.

 

[urbanredneck]

Thanks to you both. Would have figured out which method was easier or possible once i got to it so that's no problem. I dont think lower cowling comes off without powerhead on my model.
anyways, topped off my 65hrs this week last night, so hoping to have everything removed here shortly today. Will report back. Thanks everyone

 

[urbanredneck]

Alrighty folks. LU is free. Some info for the gurus that are the lifelines to a lot of folk on these pages:

for me, removing the starter did not provide the needed access to the 11mm bolt holding the shift shaft rod together. Too many hoses and lines in the way, (yes, I have proper tools all snap on or Matco from 3mm to to oblivion in 1\4 to 3\4 drive ,wobblies, extensionsb etc...) So i removed the air muffler box and lifted it, as well as fuel pump assembly up and out of the way a few inches and has a pretty much unobstructed path to the bolt, removed via 12" extension on a qtr drive 11mm wobble. Came right out.

Back to business. Like we all knew, powerhead is fine. She's back to turning and producing compression. But also as i thought, i now have a lower just sitting here with no access to the guts. Theres clearly a gear issue going on. Will removing the shift rod, drive shaft and water pump give me access to them? Also at this point, should I start shopping for a new lower and or entire outboard, or is DIY fix still in the picture?

Thanks again everyone

 

[racerone]

New gears are pricey.---- My bet is the clutch dog or pinion shattered.------Remove prop .----Remove bearing carrier. in order to see gears.-----Can not remove driveshaft by itself.----Just installed a lower like that on a motor this week.----Thrust bearing failed and pinion broke.

 

[Tim Frank]

Back to business. Like we all knew, powerhead is fine.

You mean, like we all HOPED.

. Theres clearly a gear issue going on. Will removing the shift rod, drive shaft and water pump give me access to them? Also at this point, should I start shopping for a new lower and or entire outboard, or is DIY fix still in the picture?

Thanks again everyone

You can definitely DIY.... but as pointed out, the innards can get pricey....and you would be rebuilding an original gearbox, so all non-replaced components are a possible weakness.
If it were me, I would open up the gearcase and see what has failed.
(I once did a Triumph Spitfire tranny that was locked....turned out to be a 50 cent circlip that had broken....found both pieces in the bottom of the case....reassembled, new clip, and back in business. Point there is that you MIGHT get lucky and not have a lot of parts required, and minimal damage. It does not take much to jam it up. )

Once you know what is needed in parts, you can do a cost/benefit and compare to a good used unit.
Your decision then should be fairly easy and clear.

The Pros from Dover can weigh in on some alternate LUs that might bolt up....that would enlarge your pool of available used units.

 

[urbanredneck]

Thanks to both of you. Gentleman above said to remove the bearing carrier. This is not a repair process im familiar with. Really want to see whats going on down there. Draining the gear oil thru the qtr inch hole (at best) will not give me the view i need to figure it out. Would like to pull out the entire gear assembly, and like you said, might be something as simple as a pin or something. Thanks again y'all. Been a great help

 

[racerone]

Removing the bearing carrier is a simple job.------If you say it ----" can't be done " ----before you try then you should run to a shop.-----I know what the results will be there $$$$$$$

 

[flyingscott]

Start looking for a replacement lower unit.

 

[urbanredneck]

Removing the bearing carrier is a simple job.------If you say it ----" can't be done " ----before you try then you should run to a shop.-----I know what the results will be there $$$$$$$

Not sure where you read that I couldn't do it. Was asking for instructions on how to do it. None of my Motors have ever seen a shop. Thank you

 

[racerone]

I suggested to you to start with removing the prop and bearing carrier.----This is aftter you asked about removing the driveshaft to look at the gears.------You clearly indicated that you were inexperienced.-------Sorry,------Good luck with repairs to your lower unit.

 

[urbanredneck]

I suggested to you to start with removing the prop and bearing carrier.----This is aftter you asked about removing the driveshaft to look at the gears.------You clearly indicated that you were inexperienced.-------Sorry,------Good luck with repairs to your lower unit.

Ya, not an expert on this style of LU. And havent removed a bearing carrier at all before. Prop has been off since before I started this post.

So again, some Info on removing bearing carrier would still be appreciated. Thanks

 

[urbanredneck]

Also not sure what the condescending attitude towards every one is about, either. These forums are for people to ask questions and get help that may not be as knowledgeable as you are. We get it. You are the guru. Doesn't mean everybody else is completely incapable.

anyways, one last step to do and that is remove the bearing carrier so I can check out what's going on. Any information regarding that would be appreciated. Thank you everybody

 

[flyingscott]

To get the bearing carrier out do this. Look inside (by the propshaft) and find the 3 bolts those need to be removed. Then the carrier can be pulled out.May come easy may come hard. Behind that are 2 snaprings that need to come out. Then pull the plate and gear out and see what is left of your lower.

 

[urbanredneck]

To get the bearing carrier out do this. Look inside (by the propshaft) and find the 3 bolts those need to be removed. Then the carrier can be pulled out.May come easy may come hard. Behind that are 2 snaprings that need to come out. Then pull the plate and gear out and see what is left of your lower.

Thank you sir

 

[IDFISHER]

Lots of good youtube videos on how to remove a bearing carrier. From the sounds of it, you should be able to do it yourself. I've been following this thread from the beginning and I'm anxious to find out what the damage is.

From my own personal experience, I had a lower unit go bad on a '94 60 HP Johnson and it was going to be about $1200 to rebuild with OEM parts. I was able to find an entire LU from another outboard where the power head went out for $500, so that's the route I went. That was 3 years ago and it's been great ever since.

 

[urbanredneck]

All right guys, update. I have completed the next step. Bearing carrier sleeve was removed using a 12 inch extension and 8 mm socket. Remove that piece, I am now stuck on the two snap rings I was told about. All three pairs of my snap ring pliers are either too short to reach the Rings, or don't have enough room to spread them apart once it does reach them. Any tips or tricks on getting them bad boys out? We're almost there! thank you again for everybody's help as usual

 

[flyingscott]

Go get a good long reach needle nose pliers and a lot of patience. Or you can find the tool to take them out for about $200

 

[Bosunsmate]

Sometimes fiddling with two screwdrivers will work on snap rings but i dont know what your access is like in there.
Some people (well one in particular) on this forum is Dutch, ive learnt to just accept their carry on, its quite funny so long as its still a minority!

 

[juno pierrat]

long needle nose pliers and grind tips to fit holes, . worked for me