Outboard smashed into rocks, help plz

Tim Frank

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Some people (well one in particular) on this forum is Dutch, ive learnt to just accept their carry on, its quite funny so long as its still a minority!

Hey....I guess it is a matter of perspective. Sorry you have a thing against the Dutch....or you probably would not have mentioned that.

Also not sure what the condescending attitude towards every one is about, either. These forums are for people to ask questions and get help that may not be as knowledgeable as you are. We get it. You are the guru. Doesn't mean everybody else is completely incapable.

anyways, one last step to do and that is remove the bearing carrier so I can check out what's going on. Any information regarding that would be appreciated. Thank you everybody

I have sensed a lot more ....ummmmm....attitude... from the OP than anyone else posting. By no means over the top, but still testy....IMO.
Clearly the OP does not have a service manual. Most of us will still try to help....but it is a lot of extra typing....for him too. The manual has a lot of answers and saves everyone time .

The opinion above of what these forums are for is fine, but needs to be tempered by the fact that HE is the one in here asking for help and then taking shots at responders whose answers he doesn't like....or feels he is not being fed enough information. Don't need to be beholdin' to anyone, but also don't need to com,e in swingin';. :)
It is very difficult to get an accurate read on what the tone of a post, email or text just from the words....getting snippy with someone who is trying to help via the written word can seem a bit petty.

I got blasted by some pinhead in another thread who figured I was lecturing him and putting him down somehow.
I re-read my post a number of times and have no idea what set him off.

I think many in here need thicker skins.... :)
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urbanredneck

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Hey....I guess it is a matter of perspective. Sorry you have a thing against the Dutch....or you probably would not have mentioned that.



I have sensed a lot more ....ummmmm....attitude... from the OP than anyone else posting. By no means over the top, but still testy....IMO.
Clearly the OP does not have a service manual. Most of us will still try to help....but it is a lot of extra typing....for him too. The manual has a lot of answers and saves everyone time .

The opinion above of what these forums are for is fine, but needs to be tempered by the fact that HE is the one in here asking for help and then taking shots at responders whose answers he doesn't like....or feels he is not being fed enough information. Don't need to be beholdin' to anyone, but also don't need to com,e in swingin';. :)
It is very difficult to get an accurate read on what the tone of a post, email or text just from the words....getting snippy with someone who is trying to help via the written word can seem a bit petty.

I got blasted by some pinhead in another thread who figured I was lecturing him and putting him down somehow.
I re-read my post a number of times and have no idea what set him off.

I think many in here need thicker skins.... :)
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May need to re read the thread. Ive been thankful for every single persons input, haven't disliked a single response. Only once did i ask for a bit more details to a vague response. But this guy busting another guys balls because he suggested me a repair avenue that wasnt 100% accurate, then repeatedly claims I said things that I didn't. Finishes it off with a "you're clearly not experienced", and then taps out. Yeah; attitude. Why even try and help if one thinks he is so superior and everybody else are peasants?

And i have several service manuals, just not for this model/ year range. Why I even have to defend myself in a forum dedicated to helping others is beyond me.




Anyways. Gonna try and get those snap rings out here this weekend when work gives me a break. Ill be sure to update for all the folks helping out and the ones also curios as to what went kaboom. And as usual, thanks to everyone.
 

Tim Frank

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May need to re read the thread. Ive been thankful for every single persons input, haven't disliked a single response. Only once did i ask for a bit more details to a vague response. But this guy busting another guys balls because he suggested me a repair avenue that wasnt 100% accurate, then repeatedly claims I said things that I didn't. Finishes it off with a "you're clearly not experienced", and then taps out. Yeah; attitude. Why even try and help if one thinks he is so superior and everybody else are peasants?

And i have several service manuals, just not for this model/ year range. Why I even have to defend myself in a forum dedicated to helping others is beyond me.

I have read the entire thread as it has developed. No need to re-read it....thanks anyway.
You might want to re-read my last post, yourself.
My point was that one needs to be careful when inferring tone and mood to another person`s written word.
My opinion....and you seem resistant to acknowledge other opinions....is that there was no intended offense in any posts so far, other than yours. You got irritated and blasted away....and a couple of the usual suspects piled on....no surprise who.
You throw out phrases like `vague responses`....`busting balls`....`your' clearly not experienced`....`peasants`are your opinions, with which I disagree. Just not how I saw it.
Vague responses were actually very clear.... and you did say "I know how to remove a lower unit`....and then for what ever reason took four days to do it, with lots of questions along the way. I have to wonder what your rush was to have the steps beyond LU removal right away.
You do not need to defend yourself, but maybe be a little less quick to assume the worst from anyone else`s post.

Enough on that....let`s all just try to get along :)

Anyways. Gonna try and get those snap rings out here this weekend when work gives me a break. Ill be sure to update for all the folks helping out and the ones also curios as to what went kaboom. And as usual, thanks to everyone.

Looks like you are almost into the home stretch and we will all find out if that LU is salvageable. Also IMO....the gent most likely to have the most helpful info in this phase may have been PO`d enough that he HAS "tapped out" as you put it. Pity.
One of his demonstrated areas of knowledge is LU compatibility. i.e. are there other year and model LUs that would bolt up in the event that yours cannot be salvaged.

Hopefully there will be some others who can chime in. If there are even 3 or 4 other combinations that would work, that would increase your chances of finding a used unit if required.

As far as the rebuild, without the proper manual, it will be a challenge, and you will likely need input from one of the pros who has actually done this particular model before. That pool will be small.
In my case, strictly an amateur. I have only rebuilt 3, and never that one. So beyond moral support I probably have got nothin' to help :)
If there are several components that have broken up, careful disassembly MAY NOT yield a clear reverse path, so it may not be obvious how it goes back together.
Maybe start looking now for an online version that you can download as an aid.
 

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Ya know what, some of the contributors on here need to put there big boy/girl pants on. People get frustrated deal with it this is a service industry. Nobody forces anybody to be here so quit your crying and move on.
 

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Ya know what, some of the contributors on here need to put there big boy/girl pants on. People get frustrated deal with it this is a service industry. Nobody forces anybody to be here so quit your crying and move on.

Haha yeah, the world is getting too many snowflakes in it. The best is when some people on here who think they know it all have being proven wrong, that was fun, they couldnt handle it at all. Anyway bottoms up
 

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Put some heat on the outer casing if the internal bearing carrier is sticking, that often helps them shift out
 

flyingscott

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Mods.. close this one please

You can't close an open post just because your feelings are hurt. Nothing the OP said was bad and you piled on when somebody started whining about his frustration. If you don't like it get off the the post and hijack somebody elses with your baggage. I thought you said your Momma taught you manners it would be nice to see them. Maybe we can get back to the OPs post and leave your personal garbage somewhere else. You should actually apologize to the OP for your atitude.
 
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flyingscott

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Put some heat on the outer casing if the internal bearing carrier is sticking, that often helps them shift out

He has the carrier out already he is working on the snap rings now. Hopefully he comes back and tells us what is wrong.
 

Bosunsmate

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Yep post some pictures please if you are stuck and get yourself a nautical chart
 

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The gear set is more than the engine is probably worth on the open market. The thing is, it is nice doing it yourself and the satisfaction of doing it yourself. I do agree with some opinions that the OP is talking a little out of turn and others did not help the situation. I have a perfectly good lower unit that would fit this engine but I can not even ship it to him as the rules her forbid it. Tim and others have tried to allay the situation here but the OP seems to want info but not willing to listen. Can't do anything about that.
 

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The gear set is more than the engine is probably worth on the open market. The thing is, it is nice doing it yourself and the satisfaction of doing it yourself. I do agree with some opinions that the OP is talking a little out of turn and others did not help the situation. I have a perfectly good lower unit that would fit this engine but I can not even ship it to him as the rules her forbid it. Tim and others have tried to allay the situation here but the OP seems to want info but not willing to listen. Can't do anything about that.

The Outboard equivelant of I Have Ice Cream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg-csjbwo5s substitute lower unit for ice cream.
 
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MTboatguy

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Come on guys, knock it off, he bashed his lower unit and he did what he needed to do and started the process to find out what happened. We are all here to get or offer help and things don't always goes smooth in that process.

Lets get over the pettiness and get back to helping each other out...

:cool:
 

urbanredneck

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Anyways....

Latest update isnt much. Cant get the snap rings out. Ive ground down some long reach needle nose, they all slip once under the tension of them big ass rings.

i did go ahead and drain the remaining gear oil. Was surprised, even thru the tiny hole I could see qtr dollar sized chunk of broken off gear. So its going to need a new set of gears at minimum. Can get a proper pair of pliers for about $70. Gear set anywhere from $300 to $600. Clyinder 2 has 90lbs compression, 1 has 125. Guess im in the stage of deciding fix or scrap.
 

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I have a $20 pair of menards pliers to pull those. The trick is you need to bend the tips in carefully then they work great and they don't slide off. From the way it sounds it would be easier to find a new motor.
 

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I have a $20 pair of menards pliers to pull those. The trick is you need to bend the tips in carefully then they work great and they don't slide off. From the way it sounds it would be easier to find a new motor.

Ive actually been looking since day 1. Figured finding a newer model used 40hp outboard would be a lot easier than it has been. Theres nothing in my area above 9.9 that isn't 1970s. My plan was to limp on the weak clyinder until i finally went (ive known about that for a couple years). Crashing my lower wasnt in the plans however.
also hate to see this motor just get junked when In the right parts yard, could be back to new for relatively little money. 30+ year old workhorse. Still upset with myself that i let this happen and it's been nearly a month. But ill keep working on it and lookin for replacement at the same time.
Yea, I do work 6 days a week minimum of 60 hours. So aplogies to the folks that were expecting my repairs to be completed over night. Doing the best I can.

Thanks everyone for the help thus far
 
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