Outboard smashed into rocks, help plz

[Tim Frank]

Do you have a dealer in the area who might pop the snap rings as a "favour"? Might be worth asking.
With the processes that you have successfully completed so far, I have no doubt that the remainder is in your scope of ability, it will only depend on your frustration level.

If the damage is as severe as it seems, the case itself may be compromised and as well as cost feasibility of getting new parts vs. a rebuilt or good used, putting new parts into a suspect case may be iffy.
Just one opinion.

 

[racerone]

Replacement bearings / gears / pinion on the driveshaft will need to be shimmed.-----Precision work.

 

[urbanredneck]

Do you have a dealer in the area who might pop the snap rings as a "favour"? Might be worth asking.
With the processes that you have successfully completed so far, I have no doubt that the remainder is in your scope of ability, it will only depend on your frustration level.

If the damage is as severe as it seems, the case itself may be compromised and as well as cost feasibility of getting new parts vs. a rebuilt or good used, putting new parts into a suspect case may be iffy.
Just one opinion.

Good point. And yes, I have called a couple shops, one of them wants $100 to take out the Snap rings and give me a full diagnosis. Which I don't really trust, I've been in the automotive and HVAC repair industry most of my life and I just don't really trust shops for an honest opinion. Another shop said they don't have the tools required to take off the snap rings and that they ship them out whenever one comes in. I have a couple other choices but they are across the valley. But, I will keep looking.

but you are right, if the case is possibly compromised, sounds like a waste of money. And as the other guy mentioned, if those new gear sets need to be precision machine, I'm out. I figured it would just be a drop-in type of deal.

 

[Tim Frank]

I would not call $100- a favour .
Pity.....it is the kind of 5 minute customer service item that always returns a lot of goodwill and word-of-mouth advertising.
Nothing in there that you would not be able to diagnose yourself if the snap rings were out. You don't need them to do the diagnosis.

Re-read #62. It says precision "work" NOT "machining". Racer just means that you need to be meticulous. You shim as required to remove backlash until it meets the spec. Not a heck of a lot different from shimming a door jamb until it is plumb....or plumb enough.

 

[racerone]

Shimming is done to get proper tooth contact between gears.------These gearcase on the 2 cylinder 40 / 48 / 50 / 60 HP are not robust.-----Careful shimming work or factory tool ( which I have ) is required.

 

[urbanredneck]

I would not call $100- a favour .
Pity.....it is the kind of 5 minute customer service item that always returns a lot of goodwill and word-of-mouth advertising.
Nothing in there that you would not be able to diagnose yourself if the snap rings were out. You don't need them to do the diagnosis.

Re-read #62. It says precision "work" NOT "machining". Racer just means that you need to be meticulous. You shim as required to remove backlash until it meets the spec. Not a heck of a lot different from shimming a door jamb until it is plumb....or plumb enough.

I agree. There is a few good shops around here, and then the couple Usual Suspects that are a junkyard Ran by a very questionable person, that has random crap everywhere. I might have better luck just taking the lower into one of these shops in person and ask him for a favor. But I'm still trying to decide if all of it is worth it. Like I mentioned a few posts back, I can't seem to find any replacement motor Within acceptable horsepower.

 

[flyingscott]

I would stop right where you are. You have bad compression and a bad lower unit.

 

[iggyw1]

Urbanredneck, I went onto E-bay and looked at the lower end units on there were taken off of 40 H.P. Rudes because of power head problems & are from the late 80's that would fit your boat.. They range in price from $350 to $800 and they all look like they are in good cond. and all complete and free shipping on most of them. Check 'em out.

 

[urbanredneck]

I would stop right where you are. You have bad compression and a bad lower unit.

So opinion would be to scrap the whole thing and wait for something to pop up on the market? I agree tho. Even with a new lower unit, there is no really telling when that cylinder is going to completely give out. I'm on the fence, spend around $1,000 for a new lower and maybe get another five years out of this motor, or pretty much call it garbage, essentially throw it away, and wait till who knows when and spend let's say two grand on a replacement?

 

[urbanredneck]

I almost want to empty out the special savings account and spend 6-k on a brand-spanking-new Yamaha 40

 

[Bosunsmate]

I almost want to empty out the special savings account and spend 6-k on a brand-spanking-new Yamaha 40

watch out for the rocks then

 

[urbanredneck]

Hey guys.

Figured id pop back in after a little down time on the water and some hard thinking.
After everyones opinions and my own personal thought, im going to repower my boat instead of spending the money on a questionable new lower and a powerhead with weak compression.

I was finally able to track down a couple great candidates locally. Unfortunately they're thru a dealer; seems impossible to find any used outboards above 20hp around here.

Question before I may or may not break a rule. Am i allowed to ask y'alls opinion on asking price for a motor im looking at? I really have no idea if the price is right or if im getting bent over. NADA guides show a suggested list price, also unsure if that is current, used list price or list price when said motor was manufactured ( in this case is a 92 Johnson 48 SPL with power tilt n trim). Have heard its a great motor.

The folks will remove my old 40 and give me a couple hundred off the price of the 48 and install it all for me if i make the purchase. Thanks again y'all. Been a tough pill to swallow. But needs to happen

 

[racerone]

The NADA guide is just that.-----That book knows not of local demand , hrs used , seller reputation , warranty if any ETC, ETC

 

[jakedaawg]

I just rigged a 93 40hp I had laying around for 2.6k. I threw his running 80ish 35 on the scrap pile. Included controls and a new tach and new cables. He wanted something that didnt need to mix the oil. He made the offer, I just accepted it. I didnt dicker with him. NW lower Mi crystal clear freshwater motor low hours, came off a storm damaged boat the insurance totaled.

 

[urbanredneck]

I just rigged a 93 40hp I had laying around for 2.6k. I threw his running 80ish 35 on the scrap pile. Included controls and a new tach and new cables. He wanted something that didnt need to mix the oil. He made the offer, I just accepted it. I didnt dicker with him. NW lower Mi crystal clear freshwater motor low hours, came off a storm damaged boat the insurance totaled.

So ill just come out and say it then. If i get told no no, ill delete my comment.

Dealer with the 92 Johnson 48hp SPL with power tilt and trim. Fully gone thru, new WP, gaskets, etc. Installed into boat with controls for $2400. Im in the Pacific Northwest. Fresh water. Was told motor came off a pontoon boat that was taken in on trade.

Price seems awful high to me

 

[racerone]

Since you bought it I assume the price was NOT too high.-----Most dealers know the market.----They get LOTS of calls from folks looking for good used motors.

 

[urbanredneck]

Since you bought it I assume the price was NOT too high.-----Most dealers know the market.----They get LOTS of calls from folks looking for good used motors.

Must have mis read. No purchase has been made yet. At this point, trying to figure out if this is a reasonable priced deal or if I should keep lookin.

 

[jakedaawg]

I would consider that solid retail value in my area. Neither of you are getting rich. Does it include the proper pitch prop? Does it include a tach?

 

[urbanredneck]

I would consider that solid retail value in my area. Neither of you are getting rich. Does it include the proper pitch prop? Does it include a tach?

Yeah, someone else I was talking to was saying that price is pretty much premium top retail. I may try and negotiate a little bit. But yes, the prop is in good shape, he claimed it's a motor that has been in for regular maintenance over the years. I know it will come with the controls and everything needed for the tilt and trim, but I'm not sure about a tachometer. I am going to give him a call once they open today. He told me to let him know if I was interested so he can get it put back up on a stand and we could run through everything together. And at that point I would bring down my trailer and leave it with him for a few hours or whatnot while he installed the new motor and got it nice and tidy. 30-day warranty, doesn't sound like anything to me but appears to be industry standard for a used outboard

 

[racerone]

The next person / shopper in line will buy it if the shop has a good reputation.----Post # 60 says that there are not many used motors in your area.-----So think about claiming that one before the next shopper does that.