Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

Augoose

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Hey all,
I'm a newbie and looking at buying a project boat. I've recently restored a Jeep CJ7 from the frame up and now want to try my hand at a long time dream - being a boat owner. My budget is small but I have a handyman's intent for a fixer-uper, and I think I have found a potential candidate. After some lessons learned from buying my old jeep, I want to be a little smarter with my boat purchase.

I found a boat at a great price but it has a potentially big issue (go figure, right?) The owner said it blew a freeze plug (I know this is the incorrect term as well- sorry). An hour ago I didn't know what a freeze plug was but now after some searching, it seems they are a death sentence to engines. I asked the owner a couple more questions and this is the reply he gave - would someone be kind enough to interpret for me and tell me if this is something a shade tree mechanic can tackle or if I'm wasting my time and money? This boat has been in central georgia - not a real bad freeze area. All other components on the boat seem to be in great condition. Its a 1988 Ebbtide 17' with 2.3 liter 4 cyl ford motor.

Thanks all!
Here is his email - very nice guy:

The motor had been running for about 10 -15 minutes at idle and had very good water flow. I was running the motor and making some adjustments when I decided to idle the motor up to about 1100 rpms. When i idled it up is when i heard the plug blow and ping around on the fly wheel and water came rushing out of the housing. the motor actually never missed a beat but i immediately shut it down. You seem to know a lot more about these things than myself so you would know better what causes a freeze plug to pop out. I am wondering if, when i winterized the motor if i just did not get all of the water out and it had a little bit sitting in that area. I saw no signs of any cracked block anywhere and the water only came out of the fly wheel housing and no where else. After it happened, i pressured up the water line and forced water into the lower unit and the only place where water came out was from the housing where it met up with the back of the motor. I did call a good friend of mine who is very good with motors and told him just what i stated above and he felt that if a little water settled in around that freeze plug, that it could have worked it loose during a freeze and that he felt that the block should be fine.
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

2.3 ford is obsolete and I would walk away from it without looking back.

I think you would be taking on a nightmare.
 

cooter2506

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

It is probably going to need a block. Those CASTING plugs just dont fall out like that. The block is cracked somewhere. Sounds to me like it is at the rear inside the bell housing area. OMC out drive? If so then it is two strikes.
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

If you buy this, the present owners email would be a good template for you to use when you discover it's a disaster and need to palm it off on the next victim.
 

achris

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

A couple of things here.

1. Only OMC used the 4 cylinder Ford engine... That means an OMC drive... If you haven't work on one before, then I suggest you find another project. Preferably one without an OMC, or a Mercruiser 470 (or any of it's many guises). OMC parts are very hard to find, as are 470 parts...
2. "Freeze plug" popped out... Only reason for a core plug to pop out it the water in the block froze solid. 99% of the time when that happens, the block gets broken too.

Anything else? Either of those should be enough to frighten most people away, both of them? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Chris........

Edit: WOW, way too slow here!!! But I think you get the picture....
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

EXCELLENT responses - and fast.

Thanks very much guys for all the info and I'm very appreciative that I've been saved from a huge headache.

I'll keep looking. There is a second boat I saw tonight- a 1989 Thompson with an Mercruiser Alpha 1 3.0 liter 4 cyl. This engine seems like its in good working order with the exception of it burning up points. Sounds like its got some missmatched parts, maybe the wrong coil.

Any comments on the Alpha 1?

Thanks again all
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

You have to work really hard to FUBAR the 3 liter engine.
Alpha Gen 1 parts are everywhere, great drive and if maintained that 4 banger isn't going to destroy it.
You will also never win any races with that engine.
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

3.0 is a good engine for putzing around and pulling tubes. Great on fuel. If you plan on skiing behind it it can be done but it will struggle.
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

You will also never win any races with that engine.


Do you think it will pull an experienced slalom skier up on one? Or would I have to go up on 2 and drop 1? I weigh 215.
 

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Find a boat with a 4.3 you will be happier if your going to slalom
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

Do you think it will pull an experienced slalom skier up on one? Or would I have to go up on 2 and drop 1? I weigh 215.

I would not plan on doing much skiing behind a 3 liter.
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

Got it. You guys are a wealth of info and its appreciated.

Thanks very much and the search continues....:rolleyes:
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

If you want to ski, drop a few inches of prop, or get a dedicated ski prop, like a High5 or a Laser II, with the vent plugs removed.

The removal of the vent plugs allows the prop to ventilate until the engine reaches the power band. then you just pop straight up. :D

The 3litre engine is bomb-proof, and really easy to maintain. The Alpha drives have a couple of issues, but by-enlarge they are reliable and easy-ish to work on. Plenty of advise here and manuals are very cheap :)D) and easy to get, as are parts.

Chris........
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

I have no problem wake boarding and skiing behind a 3.0 I/O Alpha gen 2.
It's certainly no Moomba or ski nautique, but I would jump on that especially as a first boat. 3.0 is reliable.
I haven't done this behind MY 3.0 yet. But others just like it.
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

I have no problem wake boarding and skiing behind a 3.0 I/O Alpha gen 2.
It's certainly no Moomba or ski nautique, but I would jump on that especially as a first boat. 3.0 is reliable.
I haven't done this behind MY 3.0 yet. But others just like it.

Excellent. Considering my price range I'm certainly not expecting high performance but I'm glad to hear that it could serve as a nice starter boat. My son is 4, so slow tubing is definitely in the picture and if I can get some time behind it too, then great. With the price being what it is ($1100) for a 1989, 18' Thompson, it might be workable. I know this isn't the correct area for talking about interior stuff, but it needs new seats and upholstery all around. I prices seats and for a new set of 4, they run about $500 or so. I walked all around the deck and tapped everywhere I could reach with my hand and could find no soft spots. The engine well had a little standing water in it because it has sat for months without a cover, but even with sticking my hand down in the engine well, I couldn't find any rot or soft areas. The engine itself seemed nice and clean and although I couldn't find a odometer showing runtime hours, pulling the dipstick didn't show any indication of water in the oil or anything odd. It doesn't run right now as the owner is having an issue with the distributor, however I'm considering running the risk of making a low offer just to see what he says. If I can walk away with it for $800 or $900, with a good hull and the potential for a functioning engine it could be a deal that I can work with.

Comes with trailer that seems to be in great shape as well.

Thoughts?
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

Dont buy a boat you dont hear run. Never know you get it home and get it running just to find it has a cracked block. Just my 2% of a dollar
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

Dont buy a boat you dont hear run. Never know you get it home and get it running just to find it has a cracked block. Just my 2% of a dollar

I know - I shouldn't even be considering it but part of me is willing to take the risk. I had considered taking some time and offer to replace the distributor for him just so I can fire it up and see how it runs prior to a purchase, but then he'd probably change the price. All the 18' foot boats that I've looked at that run are up over $2000. If I can get this one for under $1000, might it be worth the gamble? I'm trying to think about any tests that I can do in lieu of firing it up that would prove / deny any serious problems, but other than examining the engine oil for water and looking in the engine well for oil, nothing comes to mind.

I'm considering offering a deposit to let me take it for a week and examine it before agreeing to a purchase, but that's probably a little out of the ordinary.
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

Even with the engine not firing you can do a compression test. At least that will give you some indication. I would also check the gear oil and make sure that doesn't have water in it. Also if the owner will allow, I would pull the drive off and look inside the bellows. You don't want to see water in there either. :D

Chris.........
 

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Even with the engine not firing you can do a compression test. At least that will give you some indication. I would also check the gear oil and make sure that doesn't have water in it. Also if the owner will allow, I would pull the drive off and look inside the bellows. You don't want to see water in there either. :D

Chris.........

Great idea. So with the distributor gone, I can just power up the ignition system and crank the starter over for a moment to check the compression correct? No different than how you'd check it on an automobile?
 

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Re: Question about a possible upcoming purchase - ford 2.3 cyl w/ problem

You might pull the distributor and have it checked out by an auto electric shop. "Distributor" problems can be anything from a bad coil to burned points or a bad ground.
 
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