seven_magnum's 76 Starcraft Islander 221 rebuild

[seven_magnum]

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The transom was a loss.

I am going to paint the inside of the hull with zinc chromate before I install the new transom. I don't have corrosion now, but i don't want any to start either. The boat will see some salt water use.

After I buck/replace all the problem rivets, should I coat the inside seams with gluv-it and then paint the inside of the boat? It makes sense in that order to me, but I am no expert.

Once the inside is painted, I want to install the new transom and pick the boat off the trailer to paint the outside of the hull. At the same time, I am going to do a quick restore on the trailer. I figure the transom should be in to give the hull some stiffness.

I thank everyone for their help!

Foster

 

[seven_magnum]

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Oh, and I was hoping I could get some help to rename the thread and moving it to the restoration area? I feel bad for having this posted in the wrong area, and a title that doesn't let anyone know what it is Im working on. Thank you!

 

[GA_Boater]

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Nice looking transom, SM. I think Gluvit before paint. That's how I would do it. On the name change & thread move PM one of the Mods, like EZ.

 

[jasoutside]

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Transom? Where?

Is it behind that pile of mulch you have there???

After I buck/replace all the problem rivets, should I coat the inside seams with gluv-it and then paint the inside of the boat? It makes sense in that order to me, but I am no expert.

Yup

 

[ShowMeGuy]

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Whoa! Nice transome.... lol

Ain't no template there for the new one.... WEEEE!

 

[ezmobee]

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I can move and rename the thread to whatever you'd like.

Don't just zinc chromate the inside. ZC is a "tie coat" meant to tie the aluminum and something else together. After the ZC, hit it with some Rustoleum or something.

 

[seven_magnum]

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I'm back from Japan and working full swing on the boat! I will upload my pictures tomorrow, today was busy enough.

I took off all the hardware on the boat except for the two short rails on top of the cuddy and the windshield. I am on the fence about taking them off or not. Is this something that will make my life easier when the time comes to paint?

I also performed a leak test today the best I could. I found a few areas that leak and circled them with a sharpie. Tomorrow I am going to remove the cracked rib in the bow and have it fixed. My question- is it better to drill the through hull rivets or grind off the flat head inside the hull to remove the rivet? Drilling seems logical, but I could see a few holes becoming enlarged by the drill wandering a little bit. Lets face it, no matter how careful I am it will happen. I am very good with hand tools being a machinist, but maybe I am being too picky. My though was to carefully grind off the flattened portion inside the hull and poke the rive out with a punch, leaving the original holes exactly that. Any merit to this thinking?

I have purchased a rivet gun and bucking bar, and I have rivets on the way. When they come in I will instal the repaired rib and be ready for the gluv-it.

I want to be 110% sure I have leaks covered, so I will be fairly liberal with the gluv-it. How much do you think I will need? I tried to find it in Jas's thread, but that really needs an index and I didn't have too much time to look. I just got in for the night!

After the rivets are in, this beast is going in to work for the gluv-it and paint. Floor will then be installed as well as the long block. I'm ready to kick this project into high gear and make it happen! I thank you all for your help!

Foster

 

[jasoutside]

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Hey buddy, I bought a gallon of Gluvit and it was perfect to cover both the Islander and the Jet projects. A quart won't be enough for ya.

Cheers

 

[ezmobee]

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One quart JUST did my 18'. So two quarts should be pretty good to do all your rivets and seams.

 

[djpeters]

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For getting old rivets out, I used a sharp wood chisel. A couple good whacks from inside the boat and the tail will come right off. I then used a flat punch slightly smaller than the rivet, and again, a couple good whacks and it'll pop out.

 

[seven_magnum]

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My project is moving along, but I need some help!

I am ordering a gallon of Gluvit to coat the seams of the boat because I know I will use it on other projects around the house. There are 7 boats in the yard right now and they all have rivets! For my Islander, I do not have access to the chine because there is an aluminum plate covering this joint. I can attach pictures if needed. I do not want this boat to leak, so here is my idea:

-Replace all the loose, leaky rivets I found in the leak test. I have the rivets (most of them, I did not order the 5/32 rivets found in the keel!) I will put a dab of 5200 on the rivet then buck it in place.
-Wash the inside of the hull down, scuff it up, wash again, apply Gluvit to every rivet and seam practical
-Zinc Chromate the inside of the hull, then paint with Rustoleum. It seems the popular combo is the industrial rusto with hardener?
-Install new transom and some bracing. Flip boat upside down
-Scuff paint on the entire hull. I want to remove the paint entirely from the chines and the keel area where the leaks are. Clean that area really well, apply Gluvit to the outside of the hull on these rivets and seams. I will paint over the Gluvit, so is this a good idea? The chine does not leak now, but I want to make sure I do this right the first time.
-Fill in the few gouges and dents in the hull with Marine Tex Epoxy Putty, sand flush.
-Fill in the few holes in the transom from the previous owner. (Epoxy putty or alumiweld?) One hole is about an inch, the rest are small screw holes.
-Zinc Chromate the hull, paint with Rusto and hardener, then flip her back over for floors, motor, ect.

Am I missing something for the hull work? Will the Gluvit will be ok on the outside of those problem areas as long as it is painted? I want to get this barge completely painted well before the end of May. I may be out of town for work again at the end of April or the beginning of May so If I can get all of this out of the way i will! I thank everyone for their input!

Oh, and when I am at my computer at home tonight I will post pictures of the weld job I did on the broken rib. It worked out pretty well!

Foster

 

[seven_magnum]

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I placed the order for the last rivets I need today. I will be ordering gluv-it early next week. Hopefully by then I will have the riveting finished and will be ready for the gluv-it.

Once the gluv-it is down on the inside, I am going to zinc chromate the inside of the hull then paint over top of that. I will flip the boat and then gluv-it the outside of the rivets on the chine, and probably the leaky area of the keel just to be 110% sure.

Trout season starts this saturday! I cant wait go get out there. It makes me want to get this boat finished and go after something a little bigger!

Foster

 

[seven_magnum]

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I haven't been logged in for a while so I figure it's time for a little update. I ordered a gallon of gluv-it and it came in! I have been bucking some rivets in the boat now, and am almost finished. I have two more in the keel that need replaced and the one cracked rib needs fixed and put back in. I tried to fix it with the aluminum brazing rods, but it cracked again when I riveted it in place. It's now living at an aluminum welder right now to get it fixed right! If it doesn't work out, He is going to fab up a new one for me!

My front lower windshield was giving me problems. The wooden support underneath was rotted out on both corners and let the lower trim piece pull away from the plexiglas. I tried to pop it back in, but it was being a problem. It also had a pile of little spiderweb cracks everywhere in it. I decided not to fool with it any more and took the whole thing out. I dropped it off at Lancaster Paint and Glass and they are fitting it with two new pieces of laminated glass in a smoke color. I figure for the crack in the center I will use their special silicone to seal it up, and make an aluminum angle trim piece to run top to bottom on the corner. I will put one inside and out, and I think it will look pretty good! Tomorrow I am going to take out the two side windows in the cuddy and drop them off to get matching glass put in.

Tomorrow I will be taking out the board that holds the two gunnels together in the back of the boat. I want to cut a new one and get a coat of epoxy on it awhile. For the two rivets in the keel, I can't get to either one while the boat is on the trailer. I am going to slide it back about a food and then I will have access to them both. Once they are in place, I will pressure wash it and scrub it down for gluv-it again. I wanted to start gluv-it this week, but it doesn't look like that will happen until I get that last rib back. It may happen though- this guy has dropped off things on Saturday's before!

Once the gluv-it is down, I am going to zinc chromate ht inside of the hull, then hit it with some flat paint. Then Im turning this rig upside down and will hit the outside of the hull with gluv-it, especially on the chines where I don't have access from the inside. I will paint the bottom, flip her back over, then paint the top.

Foster

 

[GA_Boater]

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She gonna be a hard to flip. 22 feet of Islander - wow. Be careful, buddy.

 

[seven_magnum]

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I am getting a little done to this thing every day now. It really helps having it inside with lights to work right now.

I started today by trying a little bit of paint/adhesive stripper to see if I can get the glue off the inside of the hull where the carpet was in the cuddy and under the gunnels. I did a little test area and It worked out pretty well!

Before

After

I now have all the glass off of this tub. I got the call today that the lower windshield is finished. I am going to pick it up tomorrow and drop the two side windows from the cuddy at the same time. I also removed the windshield to make painting a little easier.

The windshield put up a little bit of a fight, but I did get it off ok. There was one screw on each of the wing pieces at the end that held them down. There was also a screw at the top of them into the frame of the main windshield keeping them secure. Once these two were out I was able to lift the wing section straight up and off. It interlocked with the main part there. I took the strip out of the middle that supported the center of the windshield and the other side off. I couldn't get the two front panels to budge. I decided they must slide off by studying them and put some effort into it. They were held down with some type of adhesive, but finally gave up and slid right off.

 

[seven_magnum]

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I am going to finish fabricating the lower windshield support and the part that holds the gunnels together in the back tonight. I have them cut out and ready for holes. I am going to mount them loosely tonight and then take them home to finish. I am staining them and sealing them with Polyurethane.

I also picked up some primer I hope works ok. It is Ace Aluminum and Galvanized Primer.
http://www.acehardware.com/product/...246&kw=aluminum+primer&origkw=aluminum+primer
It was only 29 bucks for a gallon. I am going to use this on the inside of the hull and see how tuff it is. If it works ok, I guess this stuff is ok to use on the outside as well? It's and interior/exterior paint that advertizes excellent adhesion and can be coated with Oil based paint. I hope this works ok. I am planning on top coating it with this stuff.
http://rustoleum.com/CBGProduct.asp?pid=130

Should this be ok? Do I need to use some type of hardener with it? I painted a 14foot jon boat last year with this without hardener and it seems to be holding up very well. It also seems popular to use Rusto with Valspar Hardener by reading the threads around here. Any input would be appreciated!

Foster

I edited to put in the primer link

 

[ezmobee]

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LATEX. I say return it. I would not mess with that. If it was my boat, I'd hit any bare aluminum with etching primer (light coat is all that's needed), then Rusto Clean Metal Primer, them Rusto Top coat perhaps with the hardener.

 

[seven_magnum]

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I was worried about the laytex thing myself, but I really wasn't sure. I guess I will take this stuff back and pick up some zinc chromate etching primer. I was hoping I found a cheap way out of that! Oh well, I would rather do it right once than repaint it later because everything is peeling off! I remember the last time I bought the etching primer it was something crazy like 40 or 50 bucks a quart! I am going to call around and see if I can find it cheaper!

 

[ezmobee]

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I got Duplicolor's etching primer in a rattle can at Pep-Boys for like $5. You really only need a dusting of the stuff. I only did my transom and splashwell with it so I'm not sure what you'd need to hit the whole boat but it wouldn't be something completely ridiculous. http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2605.jpg

 

[Woodonglass]

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The "Paint Your Boat" link in my signature below has some good info that might interest you.