Social Security, Now or Later?

JRJ

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Crunching numbers, trying to decide weather to file at 62 or wait till I'm older for the additional monthly income. Curious how others see it or have done it. We can live without the income at the moment.
 

Beefer

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

If you can live without it, won't you end up with more (monthly) if you wait? I'd wait if that's the case. The cost of a gallon of gas won't be $3 three years from now....
 

robert graham

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

If you don't need the money, then wait. I'm still working at 67 years old and I waited until my full retirement age of 66 to start drawing my SS. You can always do it when you need to. good Luck!
 

JB

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

Take it now. If you don't need it, invest it. Here are some reasons why:

* If you wait 'til, let's say, 66, it will take you to near 85 to "catch up" with total benefits collected. If you wait even longer it will take you even longer to "catch up". For the average American male, he will catch up at about the time he is expected to pass on.

* SS reform must happen in the next few years. While alarmists say SS will go away, I don't believe it, but here are a few bad things that I think are likely to happen:

** The amount of benefits you can receive may be reduced by a formula that measures how badly (if at all) you need them. No documented need = no check. That would return SS to its original purpose, a safety net.

** What is now known as a "payroll tax" may become an income from all sources tax with no cutoff amount. My guess is that would greatly reduce the rate of the tax on wage and salary earners and get all potential beneficiaries to share the cost. Worst case, you might end up continuing to pay the tax and collecting nothing.

If you are already in the system, like many of us, we might be grandfathered around some undesirable changes.

The above has nothing to do with any political philosophy, proposal or plan. This is not intended to support or oppose the possibilities mentioned.
 

Brewman61

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

My opinion is to consult with a financial planner that you trust- this is a very complicated issue with a lot at stake. You could take benefits now, locking in a lower monthly income for the rest of your life. Or you could wait and get a higher monthly income, risking that you may not live long enough to "break even", if that matters to you at all. After all, when you're gone it don't matter anymore.
If you have a surviving spouse you might consider that impact.
One thing they are going to do, and soon, is to not allow us to take an early income and pay it back if you change your mind and want to delay payments to get a higher monthly amount. People can do that now, but it's going away very soon, if it hasn't already.
While I believe that changes are necessary to shore up the SS system, in my opinion it's unlikely to impact you. More realistically, any changes will happen to those entering the program. It would take only a couple relatively minor steps to keep SS solvent. Delaying the normal retirement age, originally 65, changed to 67 for some of us, and increasing the payroll deduction a bit would go a long way to funding the program. The only thing in my opinion that may affect those drawing income now is to cap or limit any inflationary benefit increases. Those who believe the SS sytem is broke, or going broke, aren't very well informed. It wouldn't be in the anyone's best interest to eliminate the program or let it go bust. That would simply transfer millions of people to welfare programs, not saving a penny.
If you think about it, raising the normal retirment age a year or two make sense. When the program was created, the average Joe retired at 65 and was dead by 70 if that long. I'm in the group with 67 as the normal retirement age, but we're living a lot longer.
And a minor increase in taxes on those paying in would also extend the program's solvency. Either option is political fire, and AARP and other lobby groups rabidly fights any such changes, so the changes never happen. They'll need to sooner or later, but anyone nearing retirement age in the next couple years has little to worry about there.
Social Security was never meant to be the sole source of retirement income, and it never will be. Other retirement income sources, like pensions, IRA's, etc.. are more imprortant to worry about and to fund.
 
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SparkieBoat

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

run the numbers and see how long you would have to live to make up for the increased benefits..most people I know start at 62, If I remember right you would have to live past 85 before it started to profit you to wait. but run the numbers and it is a decision only you can make. also I do not expect SS to be around very much longer..with a 14 trillion deficit and 46 states in critical deficits also, they are going to have to make some serious cuts somewhere very soon.
 

JRJ

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

I appreciate all your thoughts and still considering options. Leaning toward waiting a couple of years at the moment.
 

RGrew176

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

I am in the same boat (boating reference) as you. I turn 62 in August. I have to start drawing at 62 and one month which would be september. My pension "bridge" expires in September. My decision. If I start drawing in September instead of waiting 4 years until I turn 66 I will lose based on my current numbers $508 per month. For one living on a fixed income that is not chump change. I am looking for a job now that will at least pay the bridge amount that I will lose in September. Job market as it is here in Michigan and being 61 it is a challenge finding a job.

Decisions, decisions.
 

12vMan

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

I say take it now. Think about JB's very valid point: SS reform....
 

JRJ

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

I say take it now. Think about JB's very valid point: SS reform....

SS "reform" is mentioned a lot these days. Many worms in that can. Like my pappy used to say, "if you've got a hunch, bet a bunch......if your hunch is wrong........your bunch is gone" Too bad that what should be a sure thing, seems like a gamble at the moment.
 

Go Aweigh2452

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

As soon as I hit 62, I'm going for it and that is in just 2.4 years. I doubt reformers will touch those already on it because there would be little the person on SS could do to earn the missing amount and would have to look for federal/state support which will burden the system even more. However, if you are still earning and not on SS, you are less affected by any law changes and congress could decide that you can still work a while longer before you collect. At least that is my view based on being a family financial advisor for many years and crunched the numbers many times... I'm betting I live long enough to enjoy retirement and for me, after 82-84, I could give a carp...
 

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

I am cashing in at 63.9 Life is a crap shoot and after 85, if I live that long, I will probably be satisfied just sitting around....right now I want to have fun.
 

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

You will be limited to $14,???.00 earned income if you collect at 62. For every two dollars you earn over that, they will take away a dollar of the Social Security.
 

bigdee

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You will be limited to $14,???.00 earned income if you collect at 62. For every two dollars you earn over that, they will take away a dollar of the Social Security.

Also even if you earn $zero but your spouse still works and you file jointly,you will be penalized!!
 

bigdee

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That is not true. Been doing it for 6 years now.

Your under age 66 and not taxed? tell me your secret!!! 85% of annual social security has to be listed as gross income when filing jointly unless your spouse earns under a certain amount.
 

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

You need to go to the SS office and talk with them and run the numbers. There are a lot of variables. If you plan on working while drawing, you should wait until 65 and then they penalty phase goes away. It always depends on you situation. I had a government pension was penalized about 75% of amount I would normally draw w/o it. I have brother in law that went back to work, he is 73-74 now and has no plans to quit.
 

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

Also even if you earn $zero but your spouse still works and you file jointly,you will be penalized!!

That is not true. Been doing it for 6 years now.

The latter is the true case. What Soc Sec guards against is if you are a principal in a corporation and try to shift income from yourself to a spouse. They make you declare that you are not a principal. If you are, your goose would be cooked.
 

Boomyal

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

You need to go to the SS office and talk with them and run the numbers. There are a lot of variables. If you plan on working while drawing, you should wait until 65 and then they penalty phase goes away. It always depends on you situation. I had a government pension was penalized about 75% of amount I would normally draw w/o it. I have brother in law that went back to work, he is 73-74 now and has no plans to quit.

Once you are 66, qualifying for full retirement, your annual income is does not detract from your SS payments. You will, of course, have to add your SS payments to your earnings for tax purposes.
 

JB

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Re: Social Security, Now or Later?

You will be limited to $14,???.00 earned income if you collect at 62. For every two dollars you earn over that, they will take away a dollar of the Social Security.

That's what SS told me in 1997, Boomer. In 1998 they raised it. In 1999 they said I could earn as much as I wanted and there would be no deduction.

Are you quoting old info or has the law been changed again? Please reference a current source.
 
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