Starmada Testing Laboratories

[djpeters]

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I'll refrain from mentioning pour in foam...

Oops.

 

[barato2]

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This is even more absurd than the assertion that it's "illegal" to overpower. Is either recommended? Nope. Actually illegal, let alone enforced in 99% of the country? Highly unlikely.

you're quite right. was thinking about this last night....what they gonna do, drill holes in your floor to check? "Foam Police! Up against the wall!"

and you're right that the USCG requirement is for OEMs only, but this begs the question......i don't want to put less flotation in my boat than the OEM would.

Dirty, i wasn't trying to harangue you. it's just that it only takes a little capsize from a wake, or inexperienced passengers all leaning the same way at once, or......and the flotation-less boat goes to the bottom.

this was a friend's meticulously maintained boat. he said it was less than 3 min from time they first realized they were taking on water until the boat rolled. i got there a few minutes later and fortunately everybody was safe. but he was really glad he had flotation........totally aside from the safety issue, it let him rescue fishing gear worth more than most of our boats!

 

[ezmobee]

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At least for us SC guys, it would be tough to do worse than OEM http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2225.jpg Although if you add an in-floor ski/rod locker that comes at the expense of a significant amount of floatation which should be made up elsewhere. I feel I probably have enough flotation to bob along as well as barato's friend's boat but I highly doubt I have enough to achieve this http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/063Small.jpg which is what we're after.

 

[North Beach]

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At least for us SC guys, it would be tough to do worse than OEM http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/New Boat/DSCF2225.jpg Although if you add an in-floor ski/rod locker that comes at the expense of a significant amount of floatation which should be made up elsewhere. I feel I probably have enough flotation to bob along as well as barato's friend's boat but I highly doubt I have enough to achieve this http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w200/ezmobee/063Small.jpg which is what we're after.

haha If i could just get it started and maybe get up on plane.....

 

[starcrafter65]

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And that rule only applies to OEMs.

Exactly - our resto's are legal w/o flotation

 

[64osby]

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Re cutting foam - I used to buy soft foam (upholstery) from a guy that would do all kinds of custom shapes. He used a very large band saw. The blade was modified with a grinder to eliminate the teeth from sticking out, a clean edge cut, much like a utility knife blade. Might work for a small band saw or even a sawzall.

 

[DirtyHarry83]

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Re cutting foam - I used to buy soft foam (upholstery) from a guy that would do all kinds of custom shapes. He used a very large band saw. The blade was modified with a grinder to eliminate the teeth from sticking out, a clean edge cut, much like a utility knife blade. Might work for a small band saw or even a sawzall.

I'd love to see the results with a saws all. Then again when I use those I get a little carried away.
Not quite Tim to Tool man Taylor but it gets interesting. I need an Al Borlin to stand nearby to say... that's not such a good idea or I wouldn't do that if I were you.

 

[dozerII]

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Glen the EPS or Expanded Polystyrene is the stuff that came in the 60's era boats originally and is the stuff you want to stay away from. The Extruded Polystyrene is the way to go-IMHO

And E-I remember reading that somewhere a while back also....

Dozer, if it's Extruded, you're good. Lowes has it's own brand that's green. Just used it for my basement walls. Same as the blue Dow and pink Corning.

Nothing like throwing out lots of MIS information...... Sorry E! And Glen-I just checked-the Plastispan is def an Expanded (white bead board) so you want to stay away from it.

Thanks NB and EZ, looks like it will cost way more then. Owens Corning :facepalm:

Hey Glen, I found a great source for the blue foam! Check it out...

http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Sea Nymph SS 165/IMAG0017.jpg

Just let me know and I can grab some for ya! It's right near my place, it's a gold mine of foam, just sitting out like that too! I had to snap a photo for ya. Prolly too expensive to ship but I know you are good with driving ridiculous distances for boating gear so I can hang onto it till ya get here

Alright Jason , just let me know when you have it ready to go and I will be there for a load.

Glen

 

[dozerII]

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Okay! Did some calling around for pricing on the Extruded foam, not gonna happen in Canada. 1"x2'x4'x8' $24 Havre Mt USA 2"x 4'x8' $33 I might have to take a trailer with the pickup so I can bring the plywood and foam back in one trip. So if our dollar stay where it's at or a little higher the lesat I can save is $560. by shopping in the USA. I love Canada but, boy they make it tough to shop local.
Glen

 

[jasoutside]

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Hey Glen, how bout noodles?
http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Sea Nymph SS 165/P1080667.jpg

Right from the homeland...
http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Sea Nymph SS 165/P1080668.jpg

 

[North Beach]

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Glen try some commercial roofing contractors near large metro areas They use a ton of extruded in roofing applications and sometimes these folks have more than they can store.

 

[DirtyHarry83]

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I'm afraid to ask.

Why not use noodles again? 1 cubic foot holds 60lbs of weight up. It's roughly the same for the block (pink, blue foam). I saw you packed the naked lady full of noodles pretty well. Typing that sentence made me grin... :facepalm:

 

[dozerII]

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Hey Glen, how bout noodles?
http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Sea Nymph SS 165/P1080667.jpg

Right from the homeland...
http://i543.photobucket.com/albums/gg451/jasoutside/Sea Nymph SS 165/P1080668.jpg

Glen try some commercial roofing contractors near large metro areas They use a ton of extruded in roofing applications and sometimes these folks have more than they can store.

Thanks NB Where I am located is minimum 6 hours to large metro area, So croosing the boarder to Havre Mt is only 2.5 hrs return.

I'm afraid to ask.

Why not use noodles again? 1 cubic foot holds 60lbs of weight up. It's roughly the same for the block (pink, blue foam). I saw you packed the naked lady full of noodles pretty well. Typing that sentence made me grin... :facepalm:

Jason and DH I don't have a problem with noodles, but the 201 has a different lay out for the ribs, they are further apart than other SS's so I think the pour foam added a lot of strength to the hull. If I cut and fit it sheet foam like Jason did on edge it will add flotation and support, starting to sound like Victoria Secrets AD:facepalm:

 

[InMotion]

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If I cut and fit it sheet foam like Jason did on edge it will add flotation and support, starting to sound like Victoria Secrets AD:facepalm:

As long as you don't add the words "The Bro" or "The manzier" or "Foam with Frilly Lace", then we won't hold it against you!!!

 

[jasoutside]

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So let me see if I have this straight...

This thread went from Starcraft Mad scientists testing stuff, to "the foam debate", now two Kanucks yakking about women's underwear?

What in the heck is going on around here? Who is the captain of this ship, we are off wayyyyyyy of course!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!




Have a great Sunday guys

 

[GA_Boater]

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Maybe I should stop working on a foam test and work on what goop sticks to poly cutting boards.

 

[North Beach]

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So let me see if I have this straight...

This thread went from Starcraft Mad scientists testing stuff, to "the foam debate", now two Kanucks yakking about women's underwear?

What in the heck is going on around here? Who is the captain of this ship, we are off wayyyyyyy of course!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!




Have a great Sunday guys

hahaha way too funny JAS...........

 

[barato2]

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lift and separate those stringers..................the Starmada Cross Your Bilge(tm) foam

the captain? was that the guy we tied to the mast when the sirens started singing about the great specials on beer........?

 

[barato2]

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OK! it's now been better part of 2 weeks so i decided to pull out the plywood samples and have a look. some surprising results.

here you see the untreated samples of the various plywoods. marine ply as expected did fine, but at $75/sheet for 1/2 and abt 93/sheet for 3/4, it should. Arauco and oak both likewise did great.....no delamination at all that i can see. the birch, on the other hand, seems to have flunked miserably....massive delamination on 2 of my 4 sample pieces. not sure why i'm seeing such different results from the first time i tried the birch...maybe it's from different suppliers? (Lowes has only 2x4 sheets in 1/2", but i can get full 4x8 sheets at Home Despot)??

closeups of the Arauco and oak, and of the sad birch

on to the treated wood. this is a little less reliable since the samples have different levels of coating and most are not coated on all sides (and i don't recallt the details). basically all samples did fine but i thought i saw some minor delamination on the birch, but it wasn;'t enough to get a fingernail under.

so there you have it. oak and Arauco both seem to be equivalent to marine ply, but don't use birch in below-floor applications and even above decks unless you epoxy it heavily. water is being changed and all samples will go back into the drink for another week or 2. more pix then.

 

[lakelover]

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Very interesting and good to see, since I used the Arauco. This thread should be pinned. Thanks for doing the work!