Type of battery to use

jagsfan811

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i have a 1960's Chrysler 15 foot boat.. i am looking to purchase a battery but i dont know which kind is necessary. i am looking to run a all around light on the stern, 4 interior led lights a flood light on the bow and a stereo.. any information will be welcomed thank you
 

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Unless you add a Nav light (Red/Green) on the bow you will be illegal at night. On that small boat you should run a Deep Cycle or a combination Marine Starting/Deep Cycle. Contrary to popular belief, you do not need a "Starting Battery" unless your engine happens to be a 7.4 or 8 liter monster.
 

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oh ok thanks, yeah i forgot i have a nav light also thanks.. i dont have a big motor so 1 of the deep cycles is worth it.. is there different sizes i should be looking into?
 

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Ya, I'll second that. The stores call them dual purpose. Do a search for battery and there was some recent discussions on which is the best battery.

I found out "after" I bought a Walmart dual purpose last month for $60 that they don't warranty them anymore!

People abuse them. Run them down flat, don't charge them up ASAP and then bring them back to Walmart where they always replaced them for free no questions asked. Some Walmarts still give you a 2 year warranty. Most don't until the change their policy again.

Walmart also carries a cheaper dual purpose around the mid $50 range.

Many here have had good luck with Autozone batteries and they carry the 2 year warranty. Check them out!

Tip: after using your stereo with the engine off for awhile, be sure to charge your battery as soon as you get home. Even if your motor has a charging system, it won't bring it back up to full as fast as you think it would and the battery stays in a less than full charged state until you use the boat again. I was doing exactly that (leaving it in a slightly discharged state for weeks) and didn't know it cause I thought the alternator would charge it back up on an hour cruise back to the dock, but it doesn't. My stereo after 3 hours would drain the battery down to 1/2 full. It takes like 6-8 hours charging at 2.5 amps with my black and decker charger when I get home to bring it to full.

Note: you might want to invest in a volt meter gauge so you can keep an eye on how fast the battery might be going down while you use the stereo and lights. That's what I did.
 

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oh ok thanks, yeah i forgot i have a nav light also thanks.. i dont have a big motor so 1 of the deep cycles is worth it.. is there different sizes i should be looking into?

A group 24 battery with wingnut style posts will work for you.
 

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thank you very informative.. i was just looking on autozone and i cant seem to find how long the battery will last for on a full charge while being used.. is there a way to calculate that with the information given..

does these batteries look good?

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ca...Battery&categoryDisplayName=&_requestid=48670


Ya, I'll second that. The stores call them dual purpose. Do a search for battery and there was some recent discussions on which is the best battery.

I found out "after" I bought a Walmart dual purpose last month for $60 that they don't warranty them anymore!

People abuse them. Run them down flat, don't charge them up ASAP and then bring them back to Walmart where they always replaced them for free no questions asked. Some Walmarts still give you a 2 year warranty. Most don't until the change their policy again.

Walmart also carries a cheaper dual purpose around the mid $50 range.

Many here have had good luck with Autozone batteries and they carry the 2 year warranty. Check them out!

Tip: after using your stereo with the engine off for awhile, be sure to charge your battery as soon as you get home. Even if your motor has a charging system, it won't bring it back up to full as fast as you think it would and the battery stays in a less than full charged state until you use the boat again. I was doing exactly that (leaving it in a slightly discharged state for weeks) and didn't know it cause I thought the alternator would charge it back up on an hour cruise back to the dock, but it doesn't. My stereo after 3 hours would drain the battery down to 1/2 full. It takes like 6-8 hours charging at 2.5 amps with my black and decker charger when I get home to bring it to full.

Note: you might want to invest in a volt meter gauge so you can keep an eye on how fast the battery might be going down while you use the stereo and lights. That's what I did.
 

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thank you very informative.. i was just looking on autozone and i cant seem to find how long the battery will last for on a full charge while being used.. is there a way to calculate that with the information given..

does these batteries look good?

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/ca...Battery&categoryDisplayName=&_requestid=48670

Well first off it's expensive. Nice 3 year warranty though but that's probably built into the price. Next it's not a dual purpose so that's why it's more expensive and probably heavier to lug around.

Check with your local Walmart too to see if they offer a 2 year warranty anymore. Their Everstart brand is very popular with boaters even without the warranty. many name brand batteries are made by the same company called Johnson controls anyway. Take the extra savings over that Autolight and put it towards a black and decker charger too while you are at Wally world, if you don't have a good one now. Get the auto type that starts off like 10 amps and then goes down to a 1.5 to 2.5 slow charge. This will extend the life of your battery then connecting it to a 10 amp "constant" charger that frys it up to full charge very fast.

You will get probably 5 hours or so of stereo use with lights too. Just guessing on that. But you may be hand pulling your outboard to get home if it's electric start. I used to get 4 hours off my plain old starting battery for the past 3 years even with unkowingly abusing it by not charging it up ASAP.
 

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thank you very informative.. i seem to have come across some difficulty finding the batteries at walmart i looked all over the online page and couldn't find any.. if i do come across them.. are there different sizes i should be looking into and what is usually a good price range for them.. i will definitely look into that charger seems very worth it.


Well first off it's expensive. Nice 3 year warranty though but that's probably built into the price. Next it's not a dual purpose so that's why it's more expensive and probably heavier to lug around.

Check with your local Walmart too to see if they offer a 2 year warranty anymore. Their Everstart brand is very popular with boaters even without the warranty. many name brand batteries are made by the same company called Johnson controls anyway. Take the extra savings over that Autolight and put it towards a black and decker charger too while you are at Wally world, if you don't have a good one now. Get the auto type that starts off like 10 amps and then goes down to a 1.5 to 2.5 slow charge. This will extend the life of your battery then connecting it to a 10 amp "constant" charger that frys it up to full charge very fast.

You will get probably 5 hours or so of stereo use with lights too. Just guessing on that. But you may be hand pulling your outboard to get home if it's electric start. I used to get 4 hours off my plain old starting battery for the past 3 years even with unkowingly abusing it by not charging it up ASAP.
 

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thank you very informative.. i seem to have come across some difficulty finding the batteries at walmart i looked all over the online page and couldn't find any.. if i do come across them.. are there different sizes i should be looking into and what is usually a good price range for them.. i will definitely look into that charger seems very worth it.

Just go into one of their stores. They have acid in them so they probably don't ship them. Or they come dry and they would have to ship with a bag of acid which I doubt they would do.

Get the mid range dual purpose. The bigger one is a bigger size all around. I paid like $60 something for the middle one. If you don't have electric start then you could buy one that's just a deep cycle and not dual purpose. You may want to run an electric trolling motor off it in the future. They have 3 Black and Decker models. Get the middle one of those too. I think it's the 10 amp automatic charger.
 

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you make a very good point i didnt think about the shipping.. if you dont mind i hate to ask but whats the difference between the dual purpose and deep cycle.. is the dual purpose both a deep cycle and an electric start? thanks for all the help i hate to keep bothering you

Just go into one of their stores. They have acid in them so they probably don't ship them. Or they come dry and they would have to ship with a bag of acid which I doubt they would do.

Get the mid range dual purpose. The bigger one is a bigger size all around. I paid like $60 something for the middle one. If you don't have electric start then you could buy one that's just a deep cycle and not dual purpose. You may want to run an electric trolling motor off it in the future. They have 3 Black and Decker models. Get the middle one of those too. I think it's the 10 amp automatic charger.
 

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You've got it right. Dual purpose is for both starting and trolling use. The inner construction for a dual purpose probably has thinner plates than a deep cycle battery which probably has thicker plates since when trolling you are sure to run the battery down to a discharged state more often than you would a starter type battery.

My guess is a dual purpose weighs less than a deep cycle because of the plates inside. They are both "deep cycle" though.

Dual purpose are newer to the market (at least to me) if some one doesn't troll a lot than you can get away with not carrying two different batteries on board. This is helpful in small boats to keep the weight down.

By they way, which ever model you get don't run them flat. That's the worse thing you can do to a deep cycle battery. They will eventually short out instead of lasting like 5 years if you take care of them. Only run them down to about 20% left. That's why I said to invest in a volt meter gauge so you don't run the battery to flat. Keep it full charged over the winter too.
 

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Quick someone ask me a question. . . about anything . . . anyone anyone??

Nope, that's OK. This post did it . . . The big 1500 mark!

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i currently don't own a trolling motor, and right now i don't think i will get one but i will have to check to see if my motor has electric start, if it doesn't i should get the dual purpose? i will defiantly invest in the volt meter and 10 amp charger.. are they connected or separate products? yeah i am trying to keep the weight down because i can only carry 1200 lb which includes my motor, cooler and 4 people along with the rest of the supplies so any where i can cut down on weight really helps

You've got it right. Dual purpose is for both starting and trolling use. The inner construction for a dual purpose probably has thinner plates than a deep cycle battery which probably has thicker plates since when trolling you are sure to run the battery down to a discharged state more often than you would a starter type battery.

My guess is a dual purpose weighs less than a deep cycle because of the plates inside. They are both "deep cycle" though.

Dual purpose are newer to the market (at least to me) if some one doesn't troll a lot than you can get away with not carrying two different batteries on board. This is helpful in small boats to keep the weight down.

By they way, which ever model you get don't run them flat. That's the worse thing you can do to a deep cycle battery. They will eventually short out instead of lasting like 5 years if you take care of them. Only run them down to about 20% left. That's why I said to invest in a volt meter gauge so you don't run the battery to flat. Keep it full charged over the winter too.
 

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thanks again for all your help.. congrats on the 1500 posts.. i do have another question when wiring all of the accessories i will be running off the battery is there something i should be using to attach the wires to the battery?

They are seperate. Here is an inexpensive one instead of installing a built in one.

http://www.minnkotamotors.com/products/accessories/battery/digital_battery_meter.aspx

You can find similar testers in the boating section of Walmart or another boating store.

I'd go with the Dual purpose deep cycle because they are cheaper than a big deep cycle battery made for trolling only.
 

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thanks again for all your help.. congrats on the 1500 posts.. i do have another question when wiring all of the accessories i will be running off the battery is there something i should be using to attach the wires to the battery?

I don't know your boat but any wires coming from your accessories need to go first to a fuse strip or circuit breaker strip. Some like the radio usually have an in-line plastic fuse holder built into the red (the hot or positive) wire. Everything needs a fuse if you don't use a fuse block.

West Marine or Napa if you are in a hurry or order one from iboats. Then you run two wires one red and one black back to the battery from the fuse block.

Post a pic of the inside your boat we could give you more specifics.

Both our boats are side console steering models so they both came with fuse blocks under the dash. It's just like hooking up a car stereo. You run the radio wires to the fuse block and the fuse block is wired to the cars battery.

If you have a tiller type boat you can run all the accessory wires to the battery (marine batteries have those wing nut screw posts) that you can crimp on a circle connector onto the end off the wire and then hook it to the battery post. But each accessory needs it's own inline fuse.

They make a circuit breaker that connects onto the positive battery terminal first then the red (hot) wires connect to that circuit breaker. That's how we hook up a trolling motor. We use a circuit breaker that comes with a new troller, but that won't protect accessories that use smaller fuses.

Best to run a separate black wire to the battery for the negative. Don't just ground it to the metal on the boat like you would a car. Grounding to an aluminum boat may cause a galvanic reaction with the aluminum especially in salt water. I've seen pics of peoples boats where their paint starts to bubble off.

iboats carry these items, but here is a link that shows what a circuit breaker that hooks up to the battery looks like. But they are 40 and 50 amps and designed only for trolling motors. They are too big on the amperage to protect accessories. Also to the right of the pic shows what a crimp on connector looks like. Napa has all sizes on a store rack.

I'm sure you can find a friend or a relative that can show you how to hook this stuff up.

Here is another link showing the heavier gauge wire #8 or 10 gauge that you run the the battery from a fuse block. And another pic of a crimp on connector. Home Depot has both these items. The black and Red wires are on big rolls and they cut how much you want.

Some boaters only use marine grade wires especially if you around salt water. But I just use the Home Depot stuff. I've had no issues with wires corroding.
 

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How long a battery will last depends on the load it must power and the capacity of the battery. Deep cycle batteries have a label with the specifications for "Reserve Minutes" @ 23 amps. What that means is the battery can supply 23 amps for whatever the reserve minutes are before dropping out of spec. Add the current draw of the items you run most of the time and roughly how long you run them. For example if you have accessories that draw 23 amps and you run them for an hour, a battery rated for 150 reserve minutes the battery would be able to run that load for roughly 2.5 hours before dropping out of spec. 23 amps by the way is a very high load. Unless you have a trolling motor, killer stereo or other high amperage items on board, you will not see that kind of current draw.
 

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i just recently went to walmart and i was looking at the batteries but i didnt find a battery that said "dual purpose" this is what i found, hopefully someone can make something of them.. they are all Everstart
1. "Starting" 24ms-6
625 cranking amps at 32 degrees farenheit and 500 cold cranking amps

2. "trolling, deep cycle, RV" 24 DC-6
75 amp hours
525 marine cranking amps at 32 degrees farenheit and 405 cold cranking amps

3. "trolling, starting, deep cycle, RV"
125 amp hours
875 marine cranking amps at 32 degrees farenheit and 675 cold cranking amps

also will a 12 amp charger work with variables of 12 amp for fast charge 8 amp for med. charge and 2 amp for trickle charge

thanks again
 

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i just recently went to walmart and i was looking at the batteries but i didnt find a battery that said "dual purpose" this is what i found, hopefully someone can make something of them.. they are all Everstart
1. "Starting" 24ms-6
625 cranking amps at 32 degrees farenheit and 500 cold cranking amps

2. "trolling, deep cycle, RV" 24 DC-6
75 amp hours
525 marine cranking amps at 32 degrees farenheit and 405 cold cranking amps

3. "trolling, starting, deep cycle, RV"
125 amp hours
875 marine cranking amps at 32 degrees farenheit and 675 cold cranking amps

also will a 12 amp charger work with variables of 12 amp for fast charge 8 amp for med. charge and 2 amp for trickle charge

thanks again

Charger is a good one.

What were the prices of each battery?
 
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