Was Jesus a real person?

18rabbit

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In his writing of the biographies of the 12 Caesars, Suetonius mentions the Christians in Rome, and he writes that Jesus was the person responsible for the Christians. We know when the Caesars lived, and from what Suetonius wrote, it is believed the biographies were written just after 100 A.D. Suetonius was born in 69 A.D.
 

mikeandronda

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Right on 18R I read that not 2-3 weeks ago in a book Im studing........So historicaly speaking if the people who wrote romes histories that we feel is credable enough to teach in school shouldnt we also take what they wrote about Christ's exsistance as the truth also?
 

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Maybe the athiest should prove he didn't exist.. I think he is just being lazy..
 

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Not believing that Jesus was divine hardly makes one an atheist, Heycods.<br /><br />And LD, every deeply religious person believes that all who don't agree with him are lost. So, what's new? With several hundred religions on earth can they ALL be right? If so, we are all lost.<br /><br />Intelligence is as likely to cause one to reject mythology as to accept it.
 

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Well no matter what you believe, one day we will all find out who was right, and, who was wrong. We just wont be able to tell anyone else about it. Oh yeah, He is a real person.
 

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Faith is demanded of believers. If there was tangible proof, then faith would be quite devalued, woudn't it?
 

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Originally posted by dogsdad:<br /> Faith is demanded of believers. If there was tangible proof, then faith would be quite devalued, woudn't it?
WELL SAID, DD
 

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Thus far this thread has been handled very well by all invovled and for that I thank each one who is particapating. J.B. I respect your veiws and I think we have sparred with words on this subject in one form or another but let me ask you this if you were to witness a miracle by a man who said he was the messiah do you think you might rethink your veiws? What if there is a right and wrong.....one way is the truth there is a black and white, wouldnt you want to know. What if the Bible tells it like it is, wouldnt you want to know? I know you to be a wise man and Im guessing you have pondered these things and more but please dont take lubedude words of all are lost without Jesus as an insult or a dig. To me either the Bible is telling the truth about Jesus or its not and I personally believe it is.....that means those who still have sin in their lives are lost. I also believe those who seek the truth from God will recieve it if the genuinly look for it. Intellegence and wisdom are two different animals you can have one and not the other.....I will take wisdon any day over other.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Not believing that Jesus was divine hardly makes one an atheist, Heycods.<br /><br />And LD, every deeply religious person believes that all who don't agree with him are lost. So, what's new? With several hundred religions on earth can they ALL be right? If so, we are all lost.<br /><br />Intelligence is as likely to cause one to reject mythology as to accept it.
Didnt say that JB I said athiest, agnostic or other, and I do realize thier are many others, starting with jewish through ragheadisim to budist. If someone chooses to worship money I probably cant change thier mind. Probably not making sense , kidney stones back, dope on board, going to bed. No stones cast!
 

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Originally posted by mikeandronda:<br /> please dont take lubedude words of all are lost without Jesus as an insult or a dig.
Thanks, it surely wasnt ment that way.<br /><br />To open another can of worms, Thats why Christians are so hard on Mormons. Truth be known, there true beleif is that Jesus is actually less devine than Joseph Smith. They also do not hold Jesus as God, Therefore they cannot be concidered Christian, and are lost. Good people yes, but never the less lost.
 

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Quote by Cods:<br />"ragheadisim"<br /> Thats funny. :D
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br /> ... To open another can of worms, Thats why Christians are so hard on Mormons. Truth be known, there true beleif is that Jesus is actually less devine than Joseph Smith.
No, LD, that isn’t true at all. The actual name of the Mormon church is ‘The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Nothing in there about a Church of Joseph Smith.<br /><br />I forget who Mormon was, but it is the name of a person. I’m told that LDS folks prefer not to be called Mormons, but tolerate it because it is a commonly used name that stuck.
 

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> ... With several hundred religions on earth can they ALL be right? If so, we are all lost.
Yes, they can all be right, and no, we aren't lost. Think of a cone sitting on your table. Each of the hundreds of religions are scattered around the base of the cone. Every one of them thinks they have the straightest path to heaven, the tip of the cone. Each one of them is travelling the same distance to get there.<br /><br />Anymore questions, Grasshopper?<br /> :D
 

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Plenty of historical evidence of the existence of "Jesus of Nazareth" - he made a pretty big splash on the political scene. Jews & Muslims accept him as a prophet on par with Moses & Noah and some others.<br /><br />Proof of his divinity? Nah. The Bible is a theological document, not a history or science book. An engaged girl gets pregnant, leaves town.... There's no "official" record of the census Luke cited in his Gospel as the reason for the trip to Bethlehem. Doesn't mean it didn't happen...lot of records have been destroyed since then. A celestial event to mark the birth of a "king" - appearance of angels - it parallels the stories written about the birth of sons to the caesars.<br /><br />Miracles witnessed by thousands, yet how many written accounts of them are there? The Bible was written in a time when "magic" and "supernatural" events were accepted as fact. In fact you might say that when Jesus walked the earth, it was a flat surface at the center of the universe, and the heavens revolved around it. That was known scientific fact just as surely as we know the earth is round. For that matter, you only believe it to be round because some smart people told you so and you believed them. (Unless of course you've been on a shuttle mission where you could see it for yourself).<br /><br />Alls I'm sayin is, for proof of divinity of Jesus Christ, all you have is your own faith. At least that's all I know about for sure.
 

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />
<br />To open another can of worms, Thats why Christians are so hard on Mormons. Truth be known, there true beleif is that Jesus is actually less devine than Joseph Smith. They also do not hold Jesus as God, Therefore they cannot be concidered Christian, and are lost. Good people yes, but never the less lost.
This is the sort of inaccurate stories which gets branded about and in time becomes accepted as truth.<br />The same can be said of the stories in the Bible.
 

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Jesus loves me. Been there and got the book. It is the most popular book ever published. If he didn't exist there are going to be an insain amount of refund checks going out to all owners of a bible.
 

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Originally posted by POINTER94:<br /> Jesus loves me. Been there and got the book. It is the most popular book ever published. If he didn't exist there are going to be an insain amount of refund checks going out to all owners of a bible.
Okay, but when is the end date to this warranty? ;)
 

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I think it is four angels with trumpets that will let you know the warranty has expired.<br /> :D
 
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