Was Jesus a real person?

[bootle]

Re: Was Jesus a real person?

Originally posted by DJ:<br /> Atheism IS a religion. <br /> <br />How can one NOT believe in something that is supposedly not true.

Perhaps atheism can be considered as a religion, since it is classified as a fundamental rule by some.<br /><br />One CANNOT believe in something that is supposedly NOT true if one happens to believe in truth.

 

[PW2]

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Ok, Aspeck...<br /><br />But my experience is that the fervency of those that want to tell me about their religion is inversely proportional to the amount they want to hear about mine.<br /><br />Why is that, I wonder?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Lived? Yep......Savior & son of God? Nah! .....JK

 

[mikeandronda]

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PW2 Im curious if you feel anybody on this forum has forced their opinion on you with out giving you your chance to respond? Im sure I havent but just in case I apologize. You are one I have sparred with in the past and even though I rarely agree with you on religion or politics I still respect your veiw. <br /><br />J.B. I understand your wish to protect certain peoples feels on this board but the post that was deleted from above which you call a myth on the LDS or mormons was not insultive and if it was not true then dispute it or explain why it was wrong. I have heard the same many a times and maybe ayou should explain why its a myth and not just make the post go away. I think you may have family members that are morman ( I could be wrong) that would put you in the position of explaining why it was wrong. If people say that all christians try and cram their beliefs down somebody elses throats, I would say thats a myth.....in truth its a false belief, yet shouldnt be taken off the board. I gues this just an opinion of mine

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> I have just one question on this topic.<br /><br />Why is it so important for so many believers that others believe the same as they do?<br /><br />I believe in what I do, and it really does not concern me what others believe. Why should it?

The answer to this is simple, according to the Bible, (And it "IS" the word of God)! those who do not are Lost forever. The old testament is the first copied parchments of the beginning of life, therefore it is the original words and scriptures, therefore anything writen after that that didnt follow those words is a fraudulent copy. Just like the model T was the first car, the others copied and made other cars, such is religion. All through the old testament it showed how Jesus would come, and he came exactly like it prophisied, to the letter. Quite a coincidence actually!

 

[mattttt25]

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anyone read the davinci code? (stir the pot, stir the pot)

 

[scrapper]

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There are so many different religions out there , That it makes it impossible to say which is right or wrong . Of course you shall say yours is right because you where brought up to blieve that . just as the other person blieves his/hers is the right way> If you truely belive what your heart tells you is right , I am certain you will find your peace of mind

 

[mikeandronda]

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Matt...it was a work of fiction........I heard it was good, but controversial.......

 

[heycods]

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Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> anyone read the davinci code? (stir the pot, stir the pot)

saw the movie , wife and I both thought it sucked, nothig presented as fact, only to lead you to believe it might have been that way.

 

[Ron G]

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I've been staying out of this one,Just lurking but im going to throw my 2 cents in yes i believe and very thinkful,but i try not to persuade someone that my way is right or wrong.i think it is up to the idualviduial to reason out there on believes.Me andmy future wife has talked about this alot, i dont think you have to go to church every sunday.i think if you talk to him and pray and do whats right everthing will be okay.Rember nobodys perfect and nobody has the right answers thats why he gave his son.<br />Im just glad so many beleive in something.

 

[txswinner]

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mikeandronda, sorry to do this but I agree with you 100% on the censorship issue. You and I a usually on opposite poles as I recall but we both seem to agree that dissent is not bad. To not be heard is the end.<br /><br />PW2, I am rather strong in my beliefs but not stubborn. I enjoy hearing of others beliefs and where they came from. Not my place to decide who gets in heaven, thank goodness God takes care of that decision.<br /><br />PW2, Why do we tell about Jesus, because we were told to spread the word, to love one another (we don't do a very good job of that), to witness our beliefs and serve our Lord. I will sit down with anyone and listen to what they have to tell me about their beliefs provided they will give me the same consideration.<br /><br />Matt: da Vinci code, fictional take off from the old beliefs of the modern Masonic lodge (17 century) and the fog of secrecy that has surrounded this organization. Ben Franklin said it best "the secrets of the Masons are not secrets at all."

 

[18rabbit]

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Yup, the Da Vinci Code is a good read, but not entirely fictional. Some of the symbols referenced in it are accurate in origin and/or meaning. I believe the mal-intent of the plot is entirely fictional. What makes the Da V Code so good is that it intertwines fact and fiction.<br /><br />A better book is the one published by the same author, Dan Brown, prior. The Da Vinci Code is the sequel to ‘Angels and Demons’, where it all starts and the characters are developed.<br /><br />If you like Dan Brown’s novels, another good book, similar but different, is the ‘The Rule of Four’, a fictional work based on the real book with printed graphics called the ‘Hypnerotomchia Poliphili’ published in 1499 and almost translated in 1999. “Almost” because there is no way to fully translate the work.<br /><br />Almost everything in the Da Vinci Code was cataloged by a fellow in southern California that has been studying symbols and their origins for more than 50-years. I forget all of the particulars but the pyramid and “all seeing eye” on the back of a dollar bill has nothing to do with the Masons, as is popularly believed. They are religious in origin, from references in the Bible.

 

[jtexas]

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Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by PW2:<br /> I have just one question on this topic.<br /><br />Why is it so important for so many believers that others believe the same as they do?<br /><br />I believe in what I do, and it really does not concern me what others believe. Why should it?

The answer to this is simple, according to the Bible, (And it "IS" the word of God)! those who do not are Lost forever. The old testament is the first copied parchments of the beginning of life, therefore it is the original words and scriptures, therefore anything writen after that that didnt follow those words is a fraudulent copy. Just like the model T was the first car, the others copied and made other cars, such is religion. All through the old testament it showed how Jesus would come, and he came exactly like it prophisied, to the letter. Quite a coincidence actually!

Lubedude, do you eat pork? How about shrimp? Catfish?<br /><br />Here's what the Old Testament has to say about it:<br />"8. And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.<br />9. These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat: <br />10. And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you." Deut. 14:9-10 KJV

 

[mikeandronda]

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Jtexas those things were in the Old tesament for a reason.....if not prepared correctlly they could cause death. God knew they were not scientificly advanced enough yet to understand that.......Jesus came and that changed things........In Leviticus it states somewhere that one should not cook a baby goat in its own mothers milk..........Doesnt fit with my diet today.....but a few thousand yrs ago maybe? Well that one still might apply to some other countries

 

[mikeandronda]

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Also there are many thing written into the Bible that are culture specific.........Like long hair on males, short hair on females........Tattoos and peircings and such.......hmmmmm this could almost be another thread........

 

[LubeDude]

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Thanks mike, I couldnt have said it better myself.

 

[jtexas]

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sure, and about washing yourself and your cooking utensils, (really very ahead of its time). My clever way of saying, a person should take care when you making blanket statements like "therefore anything writen after that that didnt follow those words is a fraudulent copy."<br /><br />To use the Bible as evidence that the Bible is true is sort of like lifting yourself by your own bootstraps.<br /><br />It's no coincidence how the birth of Christ conformed to the prophesies, but neither is it proof - Luke was well-aquainted with the Old Testament scriptures when he wrote his gospel.<br /><br />If I may quote myself, "for proof of divinity of Jesus Christ, all you have is your own faith. At least that's all I know about for sure."

 

[lark2004]

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About the power of prayer, No, not all prayer's are answered. If you pray for someting, and it doesn't happen, you have to accept that what you wanted, wasn't what God had in mind. I believe that God healed my son for a reason, maybe some of the dotors or nurses who witnessed it became Christians because of it, I don't know.<br /><br />As I also stated, for everything we can say to prove that God is real, those who don't believe will always have a comeback to say He doesn't.

 

[PW2]

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And, M & R, No, I don't think anyone has tried to force their opinion on me without giving a chance to respond--Although through the beauty of electronics I manage to maintain a certain safe distance...<br /><br />I am curious why you sometimes feel your religion is under attack.<br /><br />What a person believes is a personal thing, and someone who believes differently than I is ok with me, as long as they don't attempt to enlist the government's help in converting me.

 

[SoulWinner]

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For those who dot believe, and are intelligent, I would love for you take a minute and read a little book titled "Hidden Treasures in the Biblical Text" by Chuck Missler. It has 14 chapters and only 112 pages and can be read in an afternoon. Read this, check it out against your bible, and lets discuss how a book could be written that defies statistical probability.