Worst tow vehicle you have used !!!

ndemge

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Re: Worst tow vehicle you have used !!!

I have a '97 Geo Metro 3cyl 5speed that I use to commute.

Some of the hills, if I turn off the AC I can maintain speed, others I loose ground either way.

The manual lists-

Towing Capacity: 0

BUT GVR allows for 600lbs of peopel + cargo, so I should be able to tow at least 300lbs! if the 10 gallon gas tank is almost empty.
 

jenoble01

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Re: Worst tow vehicle you have used !!!

I have a '97 Geo Metro 3cyl 5speed that I use to commute.

Some of the hills, if I turn off the AC I can maintain speed, others I loose ground either way.

The manual lists-

Towing Capacity: 0

BUT GVR allows for 600lbs of peopel + cargo, so I should be able to tow at least 300lbs! if the 10 gallon gas tank is almost empty.

That old Johnny cash song "One Piece at a Time" comes to mind. If you take your boat to the lake one piece at a time you'll be fine towing with the metro. My dad used to have one of those, a '98 model that he drove back and forth to work to save miles on his truck. He didn't mind driving it, and it was a hoot to drive in the snow. Even if it was a pregnant roller skate. He kept it until my sister starter learning to drive, she managed to go from 5th gear to 1st gear at about 20 mph when getting ready for a turn and almost sent that poor 3 cly skyward. It did not like that one bit. dad traded it in for an auto tranny car for her the next day.
 

Rancherlee

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Suzuki Samuri, 63hp 1.3L with a 5 speed and a hitch on the back along with an 80" wheel base. I admit to using it when my wife has the mountaineer for the day and I want to go fishing. tops out at about 45mph on flat ground towing my 1600# Lund 3 miles to the lake. :D
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Worst tow vehicle you have used !!!

I have a '97 Geo Metro 3cyl 5speed that I use to commute.

Some of the hills, if I turn off the AC I can maintain speed, others I loose ground either way.

The manual lists-

Towing Capacity: 0

BUT GVR allows for 600lbs of peopel + cargo, so I should be able to tow at least 300lbs! if the 10 gallon gas tank is almost empty.

Now thats funny !!!!!
 

DavidD

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Worst Tow vehicle ever is my 99 F-250 Powerstroke Diesel. That would be because i forget theres a load back there. :p
 

reelfishin

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Re: Worst tow vehicle you have used !!!

Sounds like you are all set with your outfits.
My big beef with the Windstar is that it had all the towing bells and whistles from the factory, a 3,500 lb capacity (allegedly) I use a load levelling hitch and followed the recommendations of the manufacturer to a tee. It crapped out at 140,000 km. My last Windstar did the same thing around the same mileage and I had never towed a thing with it. Main problem was I had the minivan before I got the boat or I would without a doubt got a beefier tow vehicle from the get go. Did the research on the minivan and found that I would only be towing half it's rated capacity so figured all was well.
How wrong I was !!!!

The problem with the Windstar is that it uses the same trans as a Taurus/Sable. It's a light duty, front wheel drive trans. If properly maintained I would say live expectancy would be between 80 to 100,000 miles, that life span would be greatly shortened by towing. More weight equals more heat and more friction.
The greatest enemy of any automatic trans is heat, the cooler you can keep it, the longer it will last. The best transmissions when it comes to towing are the larger rear wheel drive units, Ford, E4OD, (4R100), older C6, GM 4L80E, Th400, Chrysler 727, (older). I can't say much for the newer Mopar transmissions, but the 46 and 47RE transmissions can be made to last for serious towing as well.

The smaller transmissions in the smaller trucks can hold up, but they are not designed with towing in mind. The 4L60E and TH700R4 in the smaller and mid sized GM trucks is 'OK' but not great, and the same with the Ford AOD, AOD-E, and 4R70W, and Mopar A500, and 42RE. The Ford would be my first choice in this class. The 4R70W has both a lower gear ratio in low and 4th and lock up is not in the torque converter.
The smaller Ranger/Explorer Auto trans, A4LD, 4R44, 5R55, etc is just too light and not recommended for towing. The later models can be made to survive better when coupled with lower rear axle gearing. (Lower rear axle ratios can help any automatic survive better). Most abuse or excess wear and tear on an auto trans happens on initial acceleration, once the trans is in gear and cruising down the road, the clutches are engaged and not slipping or creating friction. At that point the main sources of heat are from the torque converter and engine itself. An overheating engine will soon overheat the trans as well since most vehicles run the trans cooler inside or at least through the radiator. On my trucks, I remove the lines from the radiator and run a complete separate trans cooler totally independent of the radiator.
 

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Chevy trucks suck..... TO THE MAX!!!! I have a babied beautiful 1994 Silverado SS350 with a factory oil cooler that totally sucks. You cannot replace the oil cooler lines with anything but Chevy lines. Whatever I tow ends up with an oil mist on it. The truck is beautiful. Black and loaded to the hilt. Gorgeous,fun personal, great handling, fast truck. That's where it stops. It's for sale cheap. Everyone loves the looks, sounds etc. Me.... I have other toys for that. I need a decent tow vehicle.
 

shipoffools

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My worst tow vehicle was a '72 Dodge Tradesman 100 van. The 225 slant six engine was noted for its longevity but not its power, coupled with a 3 speed on the column and standard rearend, if a drop of water got near the drive wheel the thing would lose traction and spin. I can't count the number of times it got stuck pulling a 16 ft runabout up a gravel ramp.

Kemmy, I hear you on the Windstar, I have one with 150,000 miles on it but it has always felt like it was about to come apart. I can't imagine towing more than a few hundred pounds with it.
 

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Desperate to get on the water. Used Chevy Cavalier 4 cyl to tow an 18 foot Renken with 125 engine. It did it, but I wouldn't want to go more than the 17 miles each way.
That's pretty desperate ! :p
 

Monkaroo

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Worst Tow vehicle ever is my 99 F-250 Powerstroke Diesel. That would be because i forget theres a load back there. :p

Takes a big load to put any pressure on the old 7.3 no doubt . :cool:
 

kenmyfam

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My worst tow vehicle was a '72 Dodge Tradesman 100 van. The 225 slant six engine was noted for its longevity but not its power, coupled with a 3 speed on the column and standard rearend, if a drop of water got near the drive wheel the thing would lose traction and spin. I can't count the number of times it got stuck pulling a 16 ft runabout up a gravel ramp.

Kemmy, I hear you on the Windstar, I have one with 150,000 miles on it but it has always felt like it was about to come apart. I can't imagine towing more than a few hundred pounds with it.

Just happy I no longer own the Windstar. The Jimmy did a fine job over the weekend on a steep and long ramp and the 3 hour trip each way. Did not use overdrive as per owners handbook and got 17 mpg overall. (I will take 10 mpg if it gets me there and back !!!)
 

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Just happy I no longer own the Windstar. The Jimmy did a fine job over the weekend on a steep and long ramp and the 3 hour trip each way. Did not use overdrive as per owners handbook and got 17 mpg overall. (I will take 10 mpg if it gets me there and back !!!)

I really enjoyed my Jimmy for towing as well. Fine job with large hills in Barrie, ON and decent milage. We took a 6 hour trip to North Bay and didn't have one problem. The cottages didn't have so much of a ramp as the side of the lake by a dock :) But in 4WD it went in and out through the grass, mud and sand without issue. I've only got a 14' runabout on it of course but am looking for an 18-20' now. Mostly for fishing and joyriding.

It's a much better tow vehicle than my LeBaron turned out to be :)
 

kenmyfam

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I really enjoyed my Jimmy for towing as well. Fine job with large hills in Barrie, ON and decent milage. We took a 6 hour trip to North Bay and didn't have one problem. The cottages didn't have so much of a ramp as the side of the lake by a dock :) But in 4WD it went in and out through the grass, mud and sand without issue. I've only got a 14' runabout on it of course but am looking for an 18-20' now. Mostly for fishing and joyriding.

It's a much better tow vehicle than my LeBaron turned out to be :)

I bet you are glad you are rid of that LeBaron for towing. Glad to hear positive things about the Jimmy as well.
 

scrobo

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I bet you are glad you are rid of that LeBaron for towing. Glad to hear positive things about the Jimmy as well.

Well... the LeBaron did an OK job for the time it was needed. At least I won;t be turning the heater on to cool the engine anymore :)

And I can get more than 30mph on a hill!
 

kenmyfam

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Well... the LeBaron did an OK job for the time it was needed. At least I won;t be turning the heater on to cool the engine anymore :)

And I can get more than 30mph on a hill!
Have to install a bigger heater if the going gets too tough !!!! LOL
 

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one of the best vehicles I have owned 1991 explorer> V6 - 4.0 - (automatic,fresh rebuild)>>and very dependable,but I believe
one of the old 60's VW beetles would have more pulling ba**'s than this.. I was towing my 17 ft fiber. 140 rude,(2000LBS) and have to floor it to take off,motor gains rpm's ok but the trans has a hard time catching up with the engine,have to take it out of overdrive to make it over the inclines on the interstate,when already doing 60 mph,or it just starts losing speed,worst vehicle I have ever towed with..but a great everyday driver with decent power,as long as your not pulling anything.. what a mistake it was paying the price to have a class 5 reese hitch installed.. had 2000LBS of bubble gum in the back of it thou,and I did not see the wheel well come down any..truck will hold some weight,just won't pull it..
 

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Re: Worst tow vehicle you have used !!!

Worst:

1977 Datsun (Nissan) King Cab Pickup.

1982 Toyota Diesel pickup

2005 Toyota Sequoia SUV

Best:

1973 Ford Ranchero

1982 Buick Electra (RWD)

1988 Lincoln Town Car

2006 F-150

All AWD Aerostars (unstickable)

Had many others but these stick out as worst and best.
 

kenmyfam

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Re: Worst tow vehicle you have used !!!

Worst:

1977 Datsun (Nissan) King Cab Pickup.

1982 Toyota Diesel pickup

2005 Toyota Sequoia SUV

Best:

1973 Ford Ranchero

1982 Buick Electra (RWD)

1988 Lincoln Town Car

2006 F-150

All AWD Aerostars (unstickable)

Had many others but these stick out as worst and best.

The Aerostars were great !!!
I miss mine every time I run out of space in the Jimmy !!!!
 
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