1974 Starcraft Chieftain

bgc

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

The weight slip and registration are both for the trailer only and neither are good enough for Ohio.
I'm going to take the rig to a CAT Scale and see if they'll write in the trailer weight along with the total as there is no way I'm pushing this thing off the trailer.
 

64osby

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

... do you think the passenger car tires contributed to that, or would it have happened anyway? i'm really curious as i'm about to order tires for my trailer.

Happens to my wagon, with or without a trailer, just more exciting with a trailer.:eek:

....because the SCALES ARE DIFFERENT IN MICHIGAN AND OHIO WONT ACCEPT THEIR WEIGHT SLIP:eek:.....

Maybe that's why MI roads are so chewed up the trucks are overloaded.:facepalm:

Gravel pit or scrap yard might be able to write up a slip???
 

Watermann

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

I'm taking the 6th-8th off to get this old gal in motion. Coldest days of the year according to the forecast....

Picked up some LED trailer lights and wiring that I'm hoping to get on first thing Monday and then shes off to the scales....because the SCALES ARE DIFFERENT IN MICHIGAN AND OHIO WONT ACCEPT THEIR WEIGHT SLIP:eek:......

I'm looking into ordering the engine rebuild kit for the 2.5l Mercruiser, You guys have any recommendations?

The Merc 2.5 needs rebuilt? Man if maintained those things will go forever. My son has the car version in an old celebrity with over 200 k on it, runs strong too if you consider 90 HP strong. I guess if the boat was in working order and used all the time during it's life it could need a bit of work. If it's a good runner as is, I would leave it alone but if it's not you could get away with a valve grind and maybe just hone and re-ring if the bearings look good..
 

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I have the motor out of the donor boat and sitting in the shop. I figure it makes more sense to rebuild now, before it goes back in and WELL before the Admiral finds out.....
 

59Thompson

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I have the motor out of the donor boat and sitting in the shop. I figure it makes more sense to rebuild now, before it goes back in and WELL before the Admiral finds out.....

Prepare for disappointment at the scales. You will need the official yellow weight slip from the scale to provide to the Ohio DMV office to register the trailer. Ohio is death on weight enforcement, you might find a certified scale that will let you show them the boat brochure, subtract the listed weight from the gross and the net is your trailer (ignoring soaked foam, battery, fuel in tank, etc.) which would be logical. But every scale I visited refused so I had to pull the boat and return with just the trailer. It is a hefty fine if they get caught using logic for a simple boat trailer hence their wariness.

Next possibility is since the boat is pre- 1980 you will likely need the paperwork from MI and a brochure to obtain from the DNR in Columbus a 12 digit Hull Identification Number, to bring it into current state/federal compliance. They will issue you 2 plates one for the transom and one to hide under the dash at the helm. This is your chance to get the boat id'd correctly especially for length, model number, model name, all spelling etc. on your new title, which you then can take to a BMV office to get a registration. The ladies there are great to work with, were able to add details to both my boat title and outboard title for my inherited '59 Thompson 473 SeaCoaster, 15' 10'' saving me the 16' and up registration costs.

On insurance check out Progressive, I don't care for their politics but they have great rates and also U.S. Boat which has insurance and towing insurance. Hagerty is more for rare classics and they charge accordingly. Also if you have a large personal liability addition on your homeowner's or auto policy it may serve to lower your boat rate. Hope this helps.
 

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

Prepare for disappointment at the scales. You will need the official yellow weight slip from the scale to provide to the Ohio DMV office to register the trailer. Ohio is death on weight enforcement, you might find a certified scale that will let you show them the boat brochure, subtract the listed weight from the gross and the net is your trailer (ignoring soaked foam, battery, fuel in tank, etc.) which would be logical. But every scale I visited refused so I had to pull the boat and return with just the trailer. It is a hefty fine if they get caught using logic for a simple boat trailer hence their wariness.

Next possibility is since the boat is pre- 1980 you will likely need the paperwork from MI and a brochure to obtain from the DNR in Columbus a 12 digit Hull Identification Number, to bring it into current state/federal compliance. They will issue you 2 plates one for the transom and one to hide under the dash at the helm. This is your chance to get the boat id'd correctly especially for length, model number, model name, all spelling etc. on your new title, which you then can take to a BMV office to get a registration. The ladies there are great to work with, were able to add details to both my boat title and outboard title for my inherited '59 Thompson 473 SeaCoaster, 15' 10'' saving me the 16' and up registration costs.

On insurance check out Progressive, I don't care for their politics but they have great rates and also U.S. Boat which has insurance and towing insurance. Hagerty is more for rare classics and they charge accordingly. Also if you have a large personal liability addition on your homeowner's or auto policy it may serve to lower your boat rate. Hope this helps.

Got the weigh slips, previous registration, documentation on hull and motor weight, and the Temp Tag has the weight of the trailer listed on it(?)

November 1st, 1972 is when the Federal Laws went into effect for the 12 digit HIN for watercraft, so I'm good there.

I currently have Progressive, looks like I'm moving to Hagerty, They seem to have what I'm looking for.

I agree the folks at the ODNR off Morse Rd. are great to deal with! Its always a pleasure to go there
 

bgc

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

We pulled the Chief off the trailer to get the weight today, Hillbilly Engineering at its best! It was quicker than setting up the gantry crane…..

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

Good work, I like the Chevy anchor point ;)
 

bgc

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The anchor really came in handy….I dragged it for about 10 feet till the ice on the bucks let go of the hull.
 

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

Jeez - Chevys don't even make good anchors. :lol: So did the Ohio weight match the Michigan weight?
 

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Boy, those tires sure support a lot of weight, even without wheels. They must be frozen stiff or something. - Grandad
 

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Can't honestly say I have seen a boat unloaded that way before, would have made a good video. Great job bgc.
 

bgc

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Jeez - Chevys don't even make good anchors. :lol: So did the Ohio weight match the Michigan weight?
Funny you ask, The Michigan slip said #680 (from 1989). The first Ohio weight was #1250 and after questioning the weight the weight was #1020. I didn't feel like asking for a third…..

Boy, those tires sure support a lot of weight, even without wheels. They must be frozen stiff or something. - Grandad
The front is sitting on a stump under the keel. The tires were just for looks……

Can't honestly say I have seen a boat unloaded that way before, would have made a good video. Great job bgc.
I thought about doing video but it was too cold:)
 

bgc

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

59Thompson, I took your advice and pulled her. Thinking about all of my trips to the BMV, the long lines, the folks behind the counter that dont care…..Less trips the better.
 

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

The poor ole Chief must have thought the worst when you pulled away leaving her in the boatyard with glassers naked and afraid.
 

bgc

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She did do a lot of moaning about coming off the trailer
 

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I can hear it's moan clear up here!! Nice work on the launch.

Your Chief is identical in color as mine except I did remove all that vinyl on the cabin. Looks like your front cabin window is one piece. Do you have a pic of it you could post. I believe mine was once replaced with 2 pieces of plexi and a makeshift front frame. I haven't taken it out yet but believe I will have to replace it before too long as it is spidered.
 
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Watermann

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Yeah Willie they are one piece that's bent in the center on all the old Chiefs I've seen and they want around $130 for a new piece of 3/16th" Polycarb to replace it. :eek:
 

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

the tradeoff being that 3/16 Polycarbonate will be uber strong and shatterproof. but i would add some sort of support in the center in case you have folks get on the cabin roof....that's what cracked the orig windsheild in my Starchief.

loved the tempo platform plan!
 

bgc

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Re: 1974 Starcraft Chieftain

WW, I can get some pics tonight.
The windshield is broken on the lower corners where the frame meets the bow cover. I understand Polycarb is very tough stuff, I personally wouldn't use it for a windshield, It's hard to polish scuffs out of.
I'm planing on making a mold for my JetStar windshield and might make one for the Chief. If I get around to it, I'll make the new ones out of 1/4" Acrylic.
 
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