1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

OptsyEagle

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Now I am thinking about the carb.

A question Scanman: When you were rebuilding the carb, did you change the slow speed jet bearing. That little plastic funnel thing that sits in the slow speed oriface. If so, did you spray it with carb cleaner after that? I have heard that carb cleaner is pretty hard on plastic pieces and I have come close to doing that myself.

This last one may insult your intelligence, but if you did put in the new bearing, did you remove the old one first? Sorry, but I am reaching for ideas here.
 

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Now by no means am I an expert on reed valves but since everyone is throwing darts I thought I would contribute, now if I am wrong and this isn't possible then surely someone on here would know but the one thing you haven't been back to or that I have seen are the reed valves, say if one were sticking or something were blocking the higher revs of the engine would increase the amount of force put into the read to suck in so it would run and not die while at idle there isn't enough suction to keep the plate open when it should be? Personally I haven't seen reeds in person just in pic's online and i beleive it was on leeroy's ramblings. But since you have tried everything else thrown and somethings multiple times could this be a possibility?
 

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There are 4 reed valves on this motor, 2 per cylinder. If one were sticking it would still run. These motor will IDLE on 1 cylinder with 1 plug wire disconnected. This motor dies at idle and does not respond to additional fuel being provided by the carb. I am convinced that it loses spark at idle, I'm almost 100% stuck on ignition either timing at idle or loss of spark. It runs without issue off idle, reeds would present issue at all rpm and almost always show evidence of a problem- gas out the carb, fouled plug, running on 1 cylinder , etc etc etc.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Ok well I tried. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
 

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Sorry guys, I lost an hour of typing & uploading when this site "timed-out" on me while posting a reply, so I just went to sleep last night.

Compression test results are: COLD: #1 72psi; #2 75psi. WARM: #1 70psi; #2 70psi. However I don't believe these are reliable numbers cause I was forced to back the gauge out a bit. It was hittin the pistons. The o-ring was still sealed, but I'm not sure how well. I need to find another guage.
Also, I believe the spark test, which it passed, both warm & cold, is also unreliable. It will immediately restart after it dies, so I'm thinkin by the time I get the tester on it, its cool enough to try again. I discovered, early yesterday, that the driver coil laminations are seperating. In the pic I placed pieces of paper into the gaps for clarity. Even though these get bolted down, I'm thinkin this may be a source of spark failure at high temps. The points are new & cleaned with naptha, the condensers & secondary coils are also brand new with new wires & plug boots. Several sets of new plugs haven't helped either.
I checked the evinrude parts diagram for P/N 38 & I didn't see it. I can tell you that I use a rifle boresighting attachment to put visible light through every orifice in the carb. The parts that don't come in the kit are well scrutinized & cleaned. The only thing I didn't do was to pull the lead shots out, but those passages did pass compressed air. There are two pics of the carb needle below. I took it out to show you the tip. Maybe you see something I don't. Also, yes the needle seat was replaced, & yes, the old one was fished out first, but thanks for askin. No offense taken, cause at this point, I think it's probably somethin stupid like that too. I have also checked the bowl gasket for clearance.
One thing I found is that for some reason I chose to lubricate the friction bearing between the two plates! I always do a good job of it too! I took it all apart yesterday & cleaned it all off with carb cleaner. No residue left & dried it in the sun. This was before I ran all the day's tests, or made the new vids.
In the first vid, cold start, it may not have been as cold as I thought, but you can see that it starts easily with no choke necessary. In vids 1 & 2 you'll see that chokin it kills it almost instantly. I'm not sure if the third vid is good enough, but, it looks like, to me, that the timing is somehow moving a little bit from right to left just before it dies. Advancing itself, I think? Anyway you'll have to look closely, & I'm still not sure it can be seen in the vid. I'll go out & make another one today just in case.
I've gotta go out of town Friday, probably for the weekend, but I'll be back ASAP. I'll read posts from my phone, if I can figure out how, but IDK if I'll be able to answer. Never done it before.

cold start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxXy0xc8Fl8

warm start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyHPpNt6O-I

Timing:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtkK4KePHbA

AlTn, I have one of those old Ted Williams motors. Mine's a 1974, 7.5hp. They're lots of fun when they run.

As always, Thanks yall!:)
 

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hail far, Scan...you've come up with a truth in advertising that should grace every marina, boat dealership, motorsicile shop,etc...."lots of fun when dey run".....hahahaha....yeahhh buddy, dey sho' is...enjoy the weekend..hurry up wid dat drive coil....still hangin' with ya, man...that low speed mixture needle looks normal to me and as easy as it starts cold I dunno..ignition seems a more likely suspect...you'll get there
 

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I appreciate your encouragement! thanks!:D
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

It's gotta be the coil. What's left?

Those compression numbers seem a little low but as you said, that could just be your tester.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

What started it all. Moved to the gulf coast, a 235' elevation drop.
I'm a 0' saltwater guy but I have to ask, would the 235' have anything to do with it? Different jets?
 

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I kinda wondered if that made a difference, but I'm not really sure. Everything I've read talks about "higher elevations" in the thousands of feet, but that's why I put that comment in. OMC does recommend a second set of jets be kept with these motors, but I don't remember how many feet make it necessary to change em. Also it ran fine for about 35 min when we first moved here, so I kinda think it's a non issue. I posted that a bit later, but, I am, however, still guessin!:)
 

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I always thought that you could just readjust the slow speed jet to accomodate any new elevation. I doubt 200' is going to make much difference, but have you tried adjusting the needle in and out to see if it works any better, or are we still using the 1.5 turns out starting position?
 

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I've started with it totally closed cause I thought it was floodin & worked 1/4 turn at a time all the way out to 8 turns out. I don't really think it makes much of a difference unless you go really high where the air gets thin.

I'm takin a road trip. yall have a good weekend! I know I will!:D
 

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I'm a 0' saltwater guy but I have to ask, would the 235' have anything to do with it? Different jets?

200ft is less difference than what you have between a sunny day with high pressure and a stormy day with low pressure.
 

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Re: 1975 evinrude 9.9 fuel pump prob?

Thanks Haffiman I didn't really think it would be a problem but with zero experience in anything above sea level I thought I'd throw it in.
Then I started thinking maybe the motor came from a higher altitude, still managed to run OK at 235' but coming down to sea level was the straw that broke the Camel's back so to speak.

We'll talk about you while you're gone Scanman, have a good one.
 

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Hey yall.

The boy called & said my coil was in so we drove all night to get home today. I couldn't wait to try it! What arrived, via UPS, was a new coil with the first two laminations on the STBD side bent upwards about 30 degrees! I'll have to re-order it & wait. Also gotta deal with either Evinrude or UPS to see who's gonna reimburse me. Thanks yall. GOOD TO BE HOME! Here's the pic. Yall think it's UPS or Evinrude? Any way to tell? You should be able to see the dent in the box. Somebody dropped it, I think.:rolleyes:;)
 

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Scan...the crappie gods are extracting their revenge...man, that's gotta be frustrating...what a dang hassle...not to mention the untimely wait forced upon the followers of this thread...still wid ya' pal
 

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Woudn't mounting the coil bend them back, IMO that's no big deal?
 

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Woudn't mounting the coil bend them back, IMO that's no big deal?

Not sure if it would be a big deal or not, & I was really tempted to try it anyway! Then I got to thinkin... Every time the motor hiccuped or wouldn't start that coil would be the FIRST thing on my mind! The old one was seperating just like that, too. In order to be sure of it, and after all our(iboats members) hard work I decided to wait. So... I called shopatron(evinrude parts) this mornin. they already shipped a replacement & a label to return this one! Great customer service!:) It should be here in two days or maybe three. It's only comin from Pensacola, bout two hours away.
Thanks for hangin in there guys!
 

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Scanman, whatever happened; did you get the new coil and did it solve the problem? If it didn't you may have to arrange a trip to Hattiesburg and see if my carb works on your motor and solves the problem. :confused:
 

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Hey yall. I got the new coil today. I'm sorry to say that it did NOT solve the problem! I was gonna post a vid, but there isn't any change. I'm so dejected! I been dreamin about fishin (or sinkin a motor!).:mad: I'm not sure what else to try. All the electrical stuff has been replaced, except the wiring harness itself & I have good strong spark (checked it again today)! I guess I'll take you up on your offer Will Bark, if you're serious. Otherwise I'm probably gonna have to save up for a carb for it. I just can't imagine what the *&%^ could be wrong with the carb! I looked on e-bay for one today, but, nothing. I'm really startin to question wether I screwed up the internals or not.
 
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