1982 Sylvan Bassboat project

jbcurt00

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Nice looking transom! Well done, and plywood on deck for cutting stringers,, going to be a busy week or 2!:)
 

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Wow Craig, you and your son have done a textbook transom install, great Job!...now you're really gonna start building up some steam!

Thanks Gus, It sure feels like we're going to be making some big progress fast :)

OH yeah ! You guys can give yourself a good pat on the back with that install ! It should be rock solid when your done!
Hey is your son in the band at school? I was a section leader in high school with the trumpet and my son did the same thing. We both were in schools with bands like the movie Drum Line. It was some of the funnest times in my life!
Have a good week gentlemen!!

Thanks SP. Yeah my son plays trombone in high school marching band, symphonic band and jazz band. He loves his music. I played trumpet as well and like you was a section leader. Our schools not a Chor band but we are high steppers. You are right, marching band was some of my best memories as well.

One things for sure...With proper care and maintenance, Your Son's Son will be able to enjoy that boat cuz that transom will be around for Decades. Absolutely Perfect installation!!!!!

:redface: Aww shucks Wood, you sure know to make a guy feel good! We couldn't have done it without your talking me through it last week.

Nice looking transom! Well done, and plywood on deck for cutting stringers,, going to be a busy week or 2!:)

Thanks JBC!! I sure hope this weather co-operates so we can keep the momemtum up.
 

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Nice job on the transom. Wish I knew about the drilling holes before I put mine in :(
 

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Nice job on the transom. Wish I knew about the drilling holes before I put mine in :(

Thanks Trooper! I was a bit surprised when Wood told me about it. I hadn't seen that done anywhere on here. Wood suggested I do it and document it for others. I agreed but said I'd blame him and OOPS, lol

Here is my progress for the mid week.

Tonight I was able to grind off any of the sharp edges from PB'n the transom in, wash it down and wipe it down with acetone then I proceeded to tab in the transom with 2 layers of 1708 layed wet on wet, first a 6 inch strip then a 10 inch strip. Man that stuff drinks the resin! There is a reason we learn with putting csm down first on the transom. It takes quite a bit more work and patience to get the 1708 right.

Once I got the tabbing the way I wanted I decided to continue on with a layer of 1708 I had already cut to cover the entire transom. All in all I'm pretty happy with the outcome. It laid down well and I feel good about the resin job. The only downside to the night was the realization the I will be sanding and repainting the stern. If I have any advice for others to learn from it's get your transom in before you paint. I had drips from the PB resin out the holes in the stern that I ended up grinding off tonight. I also filled what was left of the holes with PB. I plan on cleaning up and repainting the transom after I'm done with any further work that might mess it up again, like drilling holes for drain's, bilge etc...

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Here's the unfortunate side damage of the transom install,

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The good news out of this? Given everything we've done to date, fixing the stern damage is not even a blip on the scary radar...

Next up stringers....
 

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That is a classic install. Nice job on the 1708. No bubbles to be seen. How much resin did she take? How much PB did you use on the Glue when you clamped it in?
 

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Oooh man, that.....looks.....great!

I agree with laying the glass before paint. As a matter of fact, that is what I'm doing.:D

YEAH, what wood said. How much PB did it take and how thick did you apply it?
 
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That is some professional glass work you did. Great job.
Man the PB really did a job on the stern. Hate to see that happen.
As good as you have become with the spray gun, you'll never know it happen.:)
 

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It all looks great CW ! Keep on truckin !!:cool:
 

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Looking Good!...
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Bummer 'bout the transom mishap...but like you said, not even a blip, after all this...
 

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That is a classic install. Nice job on the 1708. No bubbles to be seen. How much resin did she take? How much PB did you use on the Glue when you clamped it in?

Thanks Mike! I got a couple of bubbles high in the port corner that I'll grind out and patch. That 1708 is tough stuff to work with for sure. We used about 5 quarts of PB between gluing the transom and fileting the corners. It was about 1 quart more than would have been needed had we cleaned up the corners better before we cut the transom not after. We used about 3 quarts of resin with the tabbing and 1 layer of 1708.

One question. Do we put 1 layer or 2 layers of 1708 on the transom? I'm leaning towards putting 1 more down just to be sure.

Oooh man, that.....looks.....great!

I agree with laying the glass before paint. As a matter of fact, that is what I'm doing.:D

YEAH, what wood said. How much PB did it take and how thick did you apply it?

Jitterbug, thanks bunches. we learned everything we know about glassin on iboats! We applied the PB to the transom and hull prior to clamping with a 1/4 inch tile trowel. Our theory was you can't be too thick but you can be too thin. We're pretty pleased with how it turned out, it feels rock solid!

That t install looks awesome

Thanks a bunch!

That is some professional glass work you did. Great job.
Man the PB really did a job on the stern. Hate to see that happen.
As good as you have become with the spray gun, you'll never know it happen.:)

Decker, thanks a bunch but you need to get your eyes checked man, lol pro? I'm not sure about that but acceptable amateur is good enough for us. It wasn't so much the PB as my grinding off the drips after the fact but you are right about the spray gun. Who'd a thunk that 6 months into this whole thing and that is the least of my worries. :facepalm:

It all looks great CW ! Keep on truckin !!:cool:

Mucho gracios SP!

Looking Good!...
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Bummer 'bout the transom mishap...but like you said, not even a blip, after all this...

Thanks Gus, I hope your weather is more condusive to progress this weekend. We are on about the same pace so far.
 

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Ok, so I'm motivated at the moment :)

Tonight we cleaned up a bit and started rippin plywood for stringers. We ripped enought to lap join three 10 foot stringer blanks.

First I managed to remove the old FG from one of the original stringers to get an accurate measurement for it's replacement.

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Then we ripped enough ply to make 3 full stringers. Next we dado cut a 6 inch lap joint on each board then tightbonded them all together. Here they are all clamped up and curing for final shaping tomorrow.

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This should be a fun weekend of woodworking :) and progress.
 

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big update coming tonight. Major progress this weekend.

Quick question. I'm cutting my stringers down and things are looking good but as the original center stringer was the floor had slope of about 1/2 - 3/4 inch from center to the outside edges. I'm really thinking I'd rather trim the center stringer down so the floor is flat.

does anyone see a problem with this?
 

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I'm no expert CW but I can't think of a reason why it would hurt. Maybe they had a crown on it so water would run back down along the sides. I think as long as you don't create any duck ponds anywhere you would be ok..
 

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Did it have 2 drain plug holes in the original transom? Or 1? If there was only 1, it was centered above the keel, so why have the water run to the rear corners and stand, no crown.

If you expect lots of wet kids, pets & towels on board, I'd leave the slight crown to help keep the water puddling to a minimum, and put twin drain plugs in. I at each rear corner.
 

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Thanks JBC. You've helped make my mind up. it had 1 drain hole above the keel. Being it's a bass boat, the area of the floor that we have to drip on is very small. I think I'll go flat. Besides that will work with my OCDness better anyways, good right angles and such, lol

ok, off to build a boat :eek:
 

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Transom should get two layes of 1708. Deck crown is for drainage. Either center or sides. Mine was sides. Flat is really not desirable due to pooling. Up to you.
 

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I actually agree Wood, and am planning to add some crown to the FireFlite deck for this reason. It had a 'molded' in channel along both sides of the deck to channel the water back to the stern, but only had a single centered deck drain plug. But, if the deck crowns high in the middle of the deck, making the center line high, why only 1 drain plug centered on the transom? Wouldn't that encourage pooling in the rear corners of the deck against the transom? Esp when not underway, on the trailer, or tied up at the dock/slip?

If I had to choose between general pooling on a flat deck, & a centered single drain and a crowned deck, directing the water outward & along the outside edge of the deck along the hull, w/ a high centered single drain and pooling in the corner at the transom, I'd choose flat deck, but that may not be correct...... I'd probably store the boat on the trailer tongue high.

But, yeah, I should have said I was planning to add crown and dual drain plugs to prevent the pooling.

Are these high centerline decks supposed to have the crown reduced and run flat right along the transom? Or even reverse the crown to be low at the center of the transom? And why not make the centerline LOW, w/ a single drain, then this is all irrelevent...... Which was my original thought for the FireFlite, but the water channel is actually the inside of the other most chine, and I don't want to fill that w/ PB... Perhaps it was for directional flow of water while not underway, since under way all the water that can will make it's way to the stern naturally....

If anybody thinks its a really big mistake to go flat, hopefully they'll chime in before any stringers are cut for a flat deck......But Wood hasn't lead anyone astray yet, that does tells us something....
 

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Mine DOES Pool in the corners when stored Bow UP! I would think ideally you'd center crown and at the stern taper to bilge if possible. Maybe to anal engineering. Pooling in mine is appox. 1/4" @ most. Flat I guess would be fine If always stored bow up or ideally covered.
 

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Thanks Wood and JBC, after all the mucking around with it and thinking about the pooling issue I decided to with a bow or dip to the center. It just didn't made sense to my logical brain to push all water to the outsides and back when the bilge area is center and the drain is center. I also plan on gel coating the deck and not carpeting every square inch hidden under the cap like it was originally. This will hopefully keep moisture from getting trapped. I'm thinking of some kind of drain in the main deck area but we'll work that out later.

This weekend I have made huge progress on the boat! I finally had 2 days that I could spend the majority of my time on it. I now have the three main stringers cut and ready. All the cross braces are cut and ready. I cut the front bulkhead and it's almost ready. I've had the cap on and off and back on again. everything is matching up perfect and I'm close to being ready to glass it all in.

Here's the pic of the progress.

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Holy Carp look at all that potential storage space!! We've raised the front fishing deck by more than 6 inches.
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And the next 2 are for Judge... Yup, I made the motor boat noise
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My Son on the other hand wouldn't make the motor boat noise
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I hope everyone had a productive weekend!
 
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