2-strokes legal indefinitely?

[Rowroy]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

I'd argue that the Exxon Valdez disaster 20 years ago caused 100x more damage than all the 2-stroke motors that have ever run in a lake, river or ocean. They are still trying to clean up that mess to this day I believe.

Wrong. It took exactly 5 days to clean up the Valdez disaster. The media made it look like a virtual nuclear winter of oil, but that was not the case. And yes, I was there . . . .

 

[pecheux]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Wrong. It took exactly 5 days to clean up the Valdez disaster. The media made it look like a virtual nuclear winter of oil, but that was not the case. And yes, I was there . . . .

5 days perhaps ... but it took 15 years for wildlife to repopulate.

 

[pecheux]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

I've been running 2 stroke OB's for 45 years and I have seen of lot a smoke and gas/oil stains floating around the boats.

But now using synthetic 2 strokes oil I dont ever see a hint of a gas/oil stain in water surounding my boat.

IMO bio degradable OB oil is THE answer. 4 strokes is a temporary patch ... like Hybrid cars. Evinrude E-Tech being the cleanest OB is proof in the pudding.

 

[Joe_the_boatman]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

IMO bio degradable OB oil is THE answer.....

Is there a such thing? (yet?)

 

[Joe_the_boatman]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

IMO bio degradable OB oil is THE answer.....

Is there a such thing? (yet?)

EDIT: Pennzoil claims their full synthetic TCW3 is biodegradable and has "low aquatic toxicity". I might try that stuff.

 

[pecheux]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Is there a such thing? (yet?)

EDIT: Pennzoil claims their full synthetic TCW3 is biodegradable and has "low aquatic toxicity". I might try that stuff.

I am using a Pennzoil competitor's synthetic that claims the same "low aquiatic toxicity" (but not biodegradable) = no more oil/gas stains and hardly any smoke.

Shell sells a 2 cycle biodegradable oil in New Zealand ... dont ask me why they dont sell it in America ???

 

[rolmops]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Please tell me that the government is going to pay cash for 2 stroke clunkers.
I will trade 1 35 horse 1957 Johnny and 1 1964 65 horse merc (pos).and buy nice new Evinrudes instead.The 9.5 rudi, the other 2 1957 35 horse johnnies and the 1984 75 horse merc,I will keep.

 

[pecheux]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Please tell me that the government is going to pay cash for 2 stroke clunkers.
I will trade 1 35 horse 1957 Johnny and 1 1964 65 horse merc (pos).and buy nice new Evinrudes instead.The 9.5 rudi, the other 2 1957 35 horse johnnies and the 1984 75 horse merc,I will keep.

I suggest you dont hold your breath waiting for the government to kick in ... LOL

And your next Evinrude will also be a 2 strokes E-tech if 25 hp and up. This OB also happens to be the cleanest OB among all (including 4 strokes) which confirms 2 strokes are here to stay.

 

[Rowroy]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

5 days perhaps ... but it took 15 years for wildlife to repopulate.

Wrong again. Good lord, where do you people get your information??

The entire ecosystem of that area was within 90% of it's previous self within a year.

 

[QC]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Careful ^^^^^^^ please . . .

 

[tx1961whaler]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/

 

[Bard1]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Ummm, I really, really hope that this is a case of me missing a sarcastic comment. Please tell me your not serious.

I've lost count of all the proposed 'clunker' laws that have been discussed, proposed, and in many areas passed all over the country side...

No, not serious. Just about everything I own is 20yr old or older,

 

[rolmops]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Is there a such thing? (yet?)

EDIT: Pennzoil claims their full synthetic TCW3 is biodegradable and has "low aquatic toxicity". I might try that stuff.

This kind of makes me think of the "light and low tar cigarettes" which turned out to be neither light nor low tar.

 

[Stromzilla]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

BRP has shown they can build a very clean 2-stroke motor and I suspect that may justify them to be around for some time. However, it may come down to whether or not the buying public wants them. So many are switching over to the 4-strokes that I'm starting to question whether or not there will be enough transoms out there that want a 2-stroke to justify keeping the etec lines running. What's interesting is the new direct injection 2-strokes are only slightly lighter than the newest 4-stroke motors i.e. 130 etec: 390 lbs, Suzuki 140 4-stroke: 410 lbs. The gap has narrowed with weight. IMO the only reason to buy a 2-stroke is because of the great all-around performance of the 2-strokes. And the reason for buying a 4-stroke would be for the much better long-term durability, and reliability. So when you look at many of the applications involving the hanging of a new outboard, it really doesn't surprise me that so many people are switching over to the 4-stroke motors. Personally I love the 2-stroke motor. But I have a real problem with the latest technology involving the use of greased bearings in the lower end to minimize the emissions. I'm familiar with greased lower end bearings in other applications and they don't get it for me from a longterm durability standpoint.

 

[wilde1j]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

You need to look more carefully at E_Tecs and their weight. The gearcases are very large (read heavy duty) for the motor size and really tough. That's where most of the E-Tec weight gain is (and I love it, since I own a pair of 175's). I had considered Zuke 175 4S, but glad I waited. BRP clearly could have built them lighter, but chose not to.

 

[QC]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

So many are switching over to the 4-strokes that I'm starting to question whether or not there will be enough transoms out there that want a 2-stroke to justify keeping the etec lines running.

And the reason for buying a 4-stroke would be for the much better long-term durability, and reliability.

I continue to see commercial applications that replace older OBs with a steady stream of ETECs. Rental boats, houseboats, commercial fishing etc. etc. etc. These guys make their livings and control costs by selecting the right technology, so I do not understand the durability concerns. May be true, I just don't understand that apparent contradiction.

 

[Joe_the_boatman]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

This kind of makes me think of the "light and low tar cigarettes" which turned out to be neither light nor low tar.

Agreed. I'm always skeptical of claims a company makes about it's own products. They can just about say anything they want about it, until someone calls their bluff.

 

[dingbat]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

I continue to see commercial applications that replace older OBs with a steady stream of ETECs. Rental boats, houseboats, commercial fishing etc. etc. etc. These guys make their livings and control costs by selecting the right technology, so I do not understand the durability concerns. May be true, I just don't understand that apparent contradiction.

In my world, the guys going with E-tecs on repowers are mostly those concerned about the additional weight of the 4 stroke on the back. My builder and a lot of others generally recommend not hanging the heavier 4 strokes on transoms designed for the 2 stroke motors.

My builder bolts nothing but Yammi 4 strokes on the back but advised me to go with a DFI 2 stroke or I had to move my fuel tank forward 12? to counter act the additional weight on the transom.

I like the E-Tec but I?m getting nothing but great reports from the guys running the 4 stroke Yamaha. Several guys I know have over 2K hours on them and they?re still running like watches.

May just end up moving the tank forward and hanging a Yammi on the back. It would probably improve my resale value having a "stock" motor on the back.

 

[pecheux]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

Wrong again. Good lord, where do you people get your information??

The entire ecosystem of that area was within 90% of it's previous self within a year.

Perhaps ... but 90% of wildlife perished at that time ... now how long does it take to get that back to it's original state ?

 

[jakebrake]

Re: 2-strokes legal indefinitely?

rolmops, you're wrong about light cigarettes..see? the filters are white instead of brwon with spreckles....see? light.