'78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

'78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy


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fat fanny

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Troop exactly with the deck plate pushing down and inward with sort of wedged blocks on the perimeter of the tank pushing inward and down possibly angled to sort of wedges or for that matter a frame matching the perimeter of the tank. Watch that he bud it was 95 again here in Ohio today!
 

boatnut74

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Glasswork is looking great troop. The worst part is behind you and should be going pretty fast now.

I also thought I would share a little background info on Ebko as well. I picked up an Ebko donor last fall (and that's how I came across your thread) and found that Ebko's plant was about an hour away from where I live. I never thought they built boats in Nebraska but I think it's pretty cool. The plant was located in Hastings Nebraska in an industrial area that used to be a WWII base. The bunkers are even still there.
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Alright folks...taking into account the help you are all giving..looking for your advice/opnions on what I am thinking of doing here....


The 1x3's are to keep the edges of the deck sections lined up flush with each other...
the 1 1/2 x 1 1/2's I think will hold the tank down...I laid a piece of ply over them and stood on it to simulate screws holding it down...the tank does not lay perfectly flat...so the aft side I might have to shim with some plastic...the rest has good pressure to hold it down...
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Here you can see the amount of space I have to fill on the fore end of tank...even less on the stern end...couldn't get a decent pic of it...
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Other fore corner of tank...
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The two sides...not much room here at all...
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Here is what I propose to do...

Lay some plastic 3/4 of the depth of the tank...pour some 2 part foam in there...let it expand against the tank...pull it out...cut the top if it over flows...which it probably will...wrap in plastic..push back into the space...then using the 1.5x1.5's to hold it down... I have drainage in this compartment so should not see any water...foam will be protected with plastic.. I'll coat the wood with some resin/csm...sound like a good plan?




Oh...did anyone mention that it is FRIDAY????/!!!!!
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Glasswork is looking great troop. The worst part is behind you and should be going pretty fast now.

I also thought I would share a little background info on Ebko as well. I picked up an Ebko donor last fall (and that's how I came across your thread) and found that Ebko's plant was about an hour away from where I live. I never thought they built boats in Nebraska but I think it's pretty cool. The plant was located in Hastings Nebraska in an industrial area that used to be a WWII base. The bunkers are even still there.


Thanks BN...it is still a learning process...but I am feeling like i am getting the main idea to this stuff...

Not so sure how fast it is going to go...lots of little things to do yet...and putting the deck down, want to be sure I get them all done...

Ya I read up on Ebko too...having never heard of them...heard they got into some Gov troubles and closed...not sure if they were able to come back under a different name or not...
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

I think this foam together with the 1.5x1.5's is going to hold the tank in place...I can't budge it...

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fat fanny

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Tropp I think your on to something! If it were me I would lay a piece of 3/4 plexiglass over that tank for a deck board those kids will never be able to forget that they painted that tank and will be able to see it when thier our ages because that rigs gonna lst forever the way it's being built! Great work bud!
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Tropp I think your on to something! If it were me I would lay a piece of 3/4 plexiglass over that tank for a deck board those kids will never be able to forget that they painted that tank and will be able to see it when thier our ages because that rigs gonna lst forever the way it's being built! Great work bud!


Why thank you sir!

3/4" Lexan...bet that is expensive...
 

GT1000000

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

OK, here's my engineering side on your tank issues...even though I don't hold any kind of engineering degree [I can spell it though...:p] or even play one on TV...

First off, take into account that you don't want solid hard substance contact between the tank and hull...

So, get some kind of rubber, like I mentioned before... cut some strips to place on the bottom of the tank...check to make sure of your installed height, after that...then use rubber strips everywhere else to fill any gaps between the sides and the deck...don't make it so tight as to make it like a solid mass...

The reason being, when the tank has fuel in it, the fumes will want to expand and contract depending on temperature and how much fuel is in there...

You want a snug fit, but not so tight that the constant expansion and contraction, plus flex in the hull while hauling butt on the waves, could cause a stress fracture...some fuel tanks can change dimensions by as much as 1/2 an inch or more...

The idea of foaming is not bad, but if you don't keep a ton of weight on the tank while pouring the underside of it, the foam could easily raise the tank above your deck height, which would cause you to shave it back down to the correct height...then again, you could screw the tank down, pre-spaced from the bottom, so it doesn't move...

Don't get me wrong, I really don't know what I'm talking about, but I have worked with fuel tanks and expanding foam before, not necessarily together, and know that each of them have their quirks...

If you notice that older cars just had the fuel tank hung underneath the car with a couple of steel straps with some kind of rubber insulation on them and modern cars use fuel tanks that are made of a polyethelene type plastic...this was all done so they can expand and contract...

That is another reason some boat manufacturers foam their tanks in...the foam has a little give to allow the expansion and contraction...others just use either a plastic type tank or the same type of strap set up that they use in cars...

Then again, some are even rigidly mounted, but usually with just a couple of mounting tabs attached to some sort of structure, but the rest of the tank is free all around to expand and contract...

Boy, oh, boy...I hope this long winded babble is of some help, cause by now I am not sure if it is...:facepalm:

I guess that was my 2?, plus or minus a nickle...:rolleyes:

Later,GT

PS- editing for obvious reasons...by the time I got done jibber-jabbing, you had already foamed everything in place...Very nice job...that looks like it will work just fine, just don't put anything too solid between the deck and the top of the tank...
 

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Looks like a good plan. Nice work fabbing some plastic wrapped foam & a tank hold-down system.

Troop, I gotta give you props, I don't know how you've been working in that heat. It has 'only' been high 90's here w/ similar humidity to what you've got in Louisiana. Oppressive is about the only thing close to describing it. I get a couple hours in the am removing bedliner, break for 1-2 hrs to recover, then work on other stuff in & out of the sun for a couple hours, break for a bit then back & forth until 630 +/- when I give the bedliner my best last effort for about an hour.

Then done, kaput, finito. Take your pick. I changed shirts 7 times today, and shorts 3:facepalm:

I feel like I've been sentenced to a Miracopa County AZ chain gang:(



If you're not covering the boat during the day, probably outta. Foam don't like UV:)
 

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

GT - I hear all that you are saying and it makes sense..I laid those vinyl pieces under the tanks...to keep it off the gelcoat ...At the time I got it, I was thinking plastic...some link someone shared talking about how to install a tank...Only placing those boards on the sides, the tank center flexes alot...I can walk on it and it goes down, get off and it pops back up..I do not plan on putting foam on the top..though that is how it was originally...I will also not be adding anything to the front/back sides of the tank...that should help some with flex too...

I hope this works..I think it will... we'll see...
I always appreciate your input, you know that...

JB - Make sure you are staying hydrated, that is my secret...the wife hates making me so much tea though...

The UV, yes I have seen the effects of it on my channels I made..they will get covered soon enough...like this weekend I hope...

Till Murphy rears his head...
 

GT1000000

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Yep, I think you are "golden" with the set up you got going...Looks awesome! and should work out just fine...
 

sphelps

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

I don't know much / anything about tank installation but it looks to me like it's gunna work fine and dandy Troop!
Nice job all around !;)
 

CaptainKickback

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Yep, I agree. Lookin good.

I had a 110 gal aluminum tank spring a leak once (bilge pump filling the canal all that Sunday morning). The manufacturer paid for the repair because, they said, pictures showed the tank had been sliding around. Point being, control of lateral movement is as important as up/down.

Sea ya...
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Yep, I think you are "golden" with the set up you got going...Looks awesome! and should work out just fine...


Thanks GT...I sure hope so....

I don't know much / anything about tank installation but it looks to me like it's gunna work fine and dandy Troop!
Nice job all around !;)

That makes 2 of us SP :)

and Thanks!
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Yep, I agree. Lookin good.

I had a 110 gal aluminum tank spring a leak once (bilge pump filling the canal all that Sunday morning). The manufacturer paid for the repair because, they said, pictures showed the tank had been sliding around. Point being, control of lateral movement is as important as up/down.

Sea ya...

Bet that wasn't good...

I think I have the movement covered...

Thanks Capt...
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Got three sides done...I forgot to put resin/CSM on the wood....oh well...Should be fine...

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Second view (Grandson was taking the pics...)
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Safety first! He is learning pretty good....doesn't even come near the boat without his glasses on...
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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

JB - Make sure you are staying hydrated, that is my secret...the wife hates making me so much tea though..

Took a bit, power off & back on 3 or 4 times.......

We won't discuss the # of restroom breaks the crew took these past few days:facepalm: Their pay has been docked accordingly:eek:

As a tinny, I am 'required' to consume a daily allotment of Kool-Aide, so................. Raspberry Lemonade;) Well hydrated for sure. Thanks

Best of luck wrapping up & getting some decking down this weekend. Fantastic!!!:D
 

Trooper82

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Last piece had to be tapered...oh to have a bandsaw....
I took out the sander with 24 grit....

Started sanding...
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and sanding...
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and sanding some more...
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when it hit me....I have a belt sander!

So started sanding...
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and sanding...
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and sanding some more...
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It fits like a glove...but I am too tired to install it now...just drained....

The wife has had some sort of head cold all week..I started getting it last night....
and have felt like crap all day... looks like it is going to last a week...How the heck can you get a cold with it as hot as it has been down here?



Have a good weekend everyone!
 

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Took a bit, power off & back on 3 or 4 times.......

We won't discuss the # of restroom breaks the crew took these past few days:facepalm: Their pay has been docked accordingly:eek:

As a tinny, I am 'required' to consume a daily allotment of Kool-Aide, so................. Raspberry Lemonade;) Well hydrated for sure. Thanks

Best of luck wrapping up & getting some decking down this weekend. Fantastic!!!:D

If they need restroom breaks...it isn't hot enough...I seriously go all day sometimes...without so much as an urge....but I sweat buckets!
 

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Re: '78 Ebko Lebaron - Therapy

Thanks BN...it is still a learning process...but I am feeling like i am getting the main idea to this stuff...

Not so sure how fast it is going to go...lots of little things to do yet...and putting the deck down, want to be sure I get them all done...

Ya I read up on Ebko too...having never heard of them...heard they got into some Gov troubles and closed...not sure if they were able to come back under a different name or not...

From what I read they were sitting on a superfund site and the EPA came in and shut them down. I want to go see if the plant is still standing I just havn't made it that direction in a very long time.
 
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