If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

[Livewire]

I ran home to the mail box and it was like Christmas in July for me. The long awaited Johnson/Evinrude Service Manual (from ebay $51.39 with shipping).

If you ask me for help and I give it, and then ignore the help I am offering, I not as ready to help you again? What I am saying is that it has been stated more times than could be counted: Get a Service Manual. Now I have included the quote from Tashasdaddy, but that is for the point that I am trying to make. There is a lot of great help here, and I will need it, but if I chose to ignore it, then I should not be surprised that I would not get any other help. What this boils down to is the information in the Service Manual is so complete and easy to understand, I can continue to work on the boat until I run into something that is not as clear in the book or is a troubleshooting problem that someone has experienced and can pass that info along for the rest of us.

"I have a Clymers " you have trash. Did you remove all the jets and replace all the fuel hoses from tank to carbs? 88's are border line on ethanol poisoning. Sounds like clogging high speed jets, synchronization, which Clymer leaves short.

get the real johnson manual. outboardbooks.com

The Clymers is like 1/8th of the information in three times of the pages and then stopping in the middle of the subject.

Just from what I read about the LINK & SYNC alone, I feel that is my whole problem, well not just that, I know that my fuel lines and primer lines are miss routed and that according to the Service Manual is very important.

So long story short; if you don't have it, stop where you are and get it; the book in itself will answer 85 to 90 percent of the questions one will have.

Thanks to all of you?

 

[AlTn]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

Live...could not have said it better, nor agree more.

 

[Cofe]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

I totally agree Livewire

Just to add to this: If your problem with your motor was solved with the help of others here. It sure would be nice to post what it took to solve the problem.
Many times people get what they want to get it fixed, and never report back.
Even if you found a fix for your motor by reading prior posts. Let people know what worked and what didn't. "It helps all of us to do a better job."

 

[Al-53]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

I have bought 3 OMC manuals so far...and I still check Ebay for a good deal on a manual even if I don't own the engine....to me its sorta like collecting cards...lol....I like reading them......never know when I am going to upgrade my motor...

best money spent....

Al

 

[Cofe]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

I have bought 3 OMC manuals so far...and I still check Ebay for a good deal on a manual even if I don't own the engine....to me its sorta like collecting cards...lol....I like reading them......never know when I am going to upgrade my motor...

best money spent....

Al

So that's You I have been bidding against Send me a PM when you go to bid on a manual, so I don't bid against you...... LOL....

 

[SwiftFootTim]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

What specifically would you look for on Ebay? I'd love to get one for my 60HP 1982 EL60CNM

 

[ezmobee]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

What specifically would you look for on Ebay? I'd love to get one for my 60HP 1982 EL60CNM

Didn't see one for yours on there at the moment. Search "1982 Evinrude 60 manual"

 

[Al-53]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

So that's You I have been bidding against Send me a PM when you go to bid on a manual, so I don't bid against you...... LOL....

I have not bid lately on any....but i did just get a manual..its a CU(1987) year for 9.9 to 30hp for 9.99....lol....

I am fishing to much now to watch auction...winter is a good time to look...most that I look for is 75 horse and under....and in the 80's ..I like the 80's motors...seems like the build quality was very good then...and my boat is rated for up to a 75hp....would like a 50 myself...75 be a bit hairy I think...lol

Al

 

[lmuss53]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

One more vote for the factory manual. I got one of those 2 to 200 HP 1972 to 1999 CD's that was a complete waste of money. I broke down and got the factory manual for my 1990, 90 HP for about $45 on ebay and it's the best $45 I've ever spent on boat equipment.

Save the search on ebay and they will email you when one shows up.

By the way, the factory manual was not available from my 'Rude dealer anymore and would have been over $300 if they had it. So when they hit ebay don't fret about giving $40 or $50 bucks for them.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

I have a half dozen factory OMC manuals..

they are not that great!!!!!!!!!!! they leave a lot out, and they make it sound like you need tool number xyz. all the time or you cant do the job!!

I bought new seals for the inside of my head where the thermostat seals..

there was ZERO about replacing that seal in the factory manual!!!!

they just skip right over sooo much stuff...

I love their pictures though..clear and large

I have a clymers as well for a few motors
and some SELOCs for some others.

I really like the SELOCs they give you a heads up if the job is easy moderate or difficult...

they go into tools needed. and they give you a little story...I personally really like it.

The downside is they cover too many models and the book is way bigger than needed....but for a guy with LOTS of outboards, they are nice...I would always have the factory manual as well...but the selocs are a nice ADDITION in my opinion

I have found a few mistakes in the factory manualas as well

like how to install a float...they show it upside down in one photo and right side up in another..

not good!!!
who proof read that book?


bob

 

[wilde1j]

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Bob, the OEM manuals assume you know how to do really very basic procedures, but they are complete, have very few errors and cover YOUR motor, not a bunch you don't care about. I.E., they don't explain how to do a compression test. Seloc explains some basic procedures but are pretty short on important detail where it really counts. Anyone working on motors for a living has almost zero use for any third party manuals.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

Bob, the OEM manuals assume you know how to do really very basic procedures, but they are complete, have very few errors and cover YOUR motor, not a bunch you don't care about. I.E., they don't explain how to do a compression test. Seloc explains some basic procedures but are pretty short on important detail where it really counts. Anyone working on motors for a living has almost zero use for any third party manuals.

well I definately stand in the GET THE FACTORY MANUAL crowd... dont get me wrong

but I just wanted to speak my mind on my real life experiences...I know the die hard outboard guys here have more experience than me...

BUT I have bought 7 manuals in the last three years all OMC along with the few other I bought on spur of the moment.

and i have used those manuals to DO STUFF!!!

and all the mistakes and missing info was found during the course of NEEDING such info!!!

luckily the seal that goes into the head (from the inside) on my 60 degree looper 115 actually says on the seal..THIS SIDE TO HEAD!!

because it wasnt to be found in the book!!

id think that is as important as some of the stuff they didnt specify!!

another sticker that really bothered me..in my manual was on page 4-25 "thermostat servicing-all models"

I am having issues with head temps and have been here and in the book for months trying to solve them..

guess what? the picture of the thermostat in the book isnt sold any more!!

and looks NOTHING like the units i found in my motor and the replacements that came ( from BRP)!!!

as for the info on the heads... they have very little in the factory book, page 4-19 shows where to put the rtv adhesive around the water ports in the block-head

THATS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no picture of the heads other than the feeler guage check for warpage!!!!!!!!! just says remove the heads in one section...NOTHING ELSE!!!

seems weak to me...maybe because I am working on my heads and WANT more info!!!

just being brutaly open..

for sure i wont be throwing my manuals away


bob

 

[Livewire]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

I totally agree Livewire

Just to add to this: If your problem with your motor was solved with the help of others here. It sure would be nice to post what it took to solve the problem.
Many times people get what they want to get it fixed, and never report back.
Even if you found a fix for your motor by reading prior posts. Let people know what worked and what didn't. "It helps all of us to do a better job."

I try really hard to report back on anything that I have asked about. For example take a look at this posting.

##UPDATE from CDI @ bottom##88 GT200 (J200STLCCM) Boggs then dies 3 out 5 times.

And for the most part look at all of the post that I have made. Generally, I am the last one on the post...

You are right though, there are a lot of people out here that doesn't bother to look back after the repair is complete. I am in the process of keeping my noodle from turning to mush and saving big money in the process...
Plus my next door neighbor is a ?certified MERCURY/MERCRUISER marine mechanic!! ONLY CERTIFIED MERCURY TECH. IN TOWN.? (His words).

I think that the Johnson has him scared, he won?t even come over to visit anymore. (Since I got the Big Johnson GT 200)

 

[d.boat]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

What specifically would you look for on Ebay? I'd love to get one for my 60HP 1982 EL60CNM

I might have one for you. I have a OMC service manual I no longer need. It covers all 1982 models and lists that model (listed as E60ELCN). If you're interested, pm me.

 

[bob johnson]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

I might have one for you. I have a OMC service manual I no longer need. It covers all 1982 models and lists that model (listed as E60ELCN). If you're interested, pm me.

they have manuals for all hp ranges in one year from OMC????


bob

 

[bob johnson]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

What specifically would you look for on Ebay? I'd love to get one for my 60HP 1982 EL60CNM

until you can get a 1982 manual...this is a good deal for only $17


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1981...at_Parts_Accessories_Gear&hash=item27b278b1da


bob

 

[ezmobee]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

they have manuals for all hp ranges in one year from OMC????


bob

I've wondered that myself. I've seen them on ebay and wondered if they were indeed OMC. Found this one today when I was looking for a manual for Tim above http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Evin...10136034807QQptZMotorsQ5fManualsQ5fLiterature

 

[wilde1j]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

If you can't find a manual on Ebay, you can always get a pre 1997 book from outboardbooks.com. Newer models from any BRP Evinrude dealer.

 

[Sir Robin]

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I am seeking one for E 150 eleom 1995 150 HP 60 degree V6
Any one know of metal replacement bowls?

And I am back on the water with mine .... Thanks Tashasdaddy.& Al-53
WARPED BOWLS SUCK AIR!!!!!!!!
Need for timing & link N sync:redface:

 

[d.boat]

Re: If you DON'T have it; STOP NOW and get it...

they have manuals for all hp ranges in one year from OMC????


bob

Yea, I've got one in my hands right now. "OMC Service Manual 2 thru V6 Models", and inside cover sheet lists dozens and dozens of model numbers all ending in "CN"

I think it's common with the older engines?