Marine Safety Disclosure

cyclops2

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My boat sales go like this.

Agree on a price. ASK ME if you want to survey the boat. I WILL SET THE TIME & PLACE & BE THERE FOR THE SURVEY.

Had more than 1 surveyor cause accidental damage during a inspection. They are human.

Problem ? Call me & we will work out a solution we both can live with.

I am happy & so are you. :)
 

1stgenbird

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I find it strange that the buyer won't say what the problem is. Surely any normal sane person would pass that info on? Maybe there is nothing wrong and this was just the guys way of getting out of the deal!

That would be my first thought.
 

r.j.dawg

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Well I found out today my co-worker sold his boat this weekend to another buyer. Bad news is the original buyer is suing for his $2000 deposit that Dan refused to return. Dan countered this morning as he sold the boat for $3000 less than the original purchaser had contracted to buy it for. So Dan is suing for $1000 to make up the difference.

This should be interesting.
 

UncleWillie

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It will all depend on what is in the WRITTEN purchase agreement.
If it says the sale is "Contingent on the Buyer being satisfied with the Survey", and he wasn't for whatever reason ...

It sounds like two groups of lawyer are going to be making about $3000 each.
This is going to be a No Win situation.

Tell him I said to refund the money and save all the grief! :D
 

tpenfield

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In most cases any deposit money would be refundable . . . so, it seems that the co-worker (Dan) is "in the wrong" by not refunding it.

The fact that the boat sold to another buyer for less than the initial amount is irrelevant.

The first 'buyer' could probably get some good interest from the state's attorney general's or consumer affairs office. Does your co-worker want to deal with that? Maybe they will end up on the "Judge Judy Show"?
 

Home Cookin'

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unlce willie is right, unless they represent themselves and have nothing better to do. It's usually better to avoid a fight than win one; I tell people that all the time.
 

25thmustang

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So it sounds like a deal was struck and $2000 deposit given, contingent upon a survey. The survey performed and the potential buyer got the report stating there was something (s) wrong. At this point the buyer has the power to either renegotiate, accept as is, or walk. I'm not sure where the line is that he can't walk, but for the most part it's his choice.

Sounds like he chose (for whatever reason on the report) to not counter and to walk. Could be moisture in the bottom of the transom that the second surveyor missed, dry rotted hoses, who knows... The seller is now choosing to keep the deposit. Why would he keep the deposit? I'm trying to look at it from both sides, but can't really see why the seller has the right to not only the original $2000, but then thinks the potential first buyer owes him another $1000, because he sold it cheaper?

After the survey on the 34C in my sig, we had the option to pay our offer (no more money off) or walk. We chose to pay, but could have turned and walked away. If the seller chose to keep our deposit, we lost the price of the survey, and then they sued us for another $1000... I would be in complete shock!

Hopefully you can find out more from your coworker. There is either more to the story, or he is looking to scam the first potential buyer out of the money he thinks he "lost" on the sale.
 
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first thing a judge would ask is.....if the second buyer had payed more than the agreed price would the seller have forwarded the extra money he made to the person who dropped out. its a bluff by the sellers lawyer in the hope the x-buyer will fold rather than pay his lawyer to 2k to win 2k. if i was the buyer that dropped out i would file in small claims where there no need for a lawyer and then let the judge decied. the judge will proberly also ask if the boat was sold as is or if the safety issues were addressed before the sale which is why the boat sold for 3k less.
 

oldjeep

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Seller should probabally just refund the 2K now and save himself the trouble of the court telling him to return it.
 

SWD

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I concur with my previous learned colleague.
 

r.j.dawg

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Didn't get a lot of info this morning but I believe the second buyer bought the boat based on the survey that he had done last week.
 

Home Cookin'

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Mustang, the way you describe, might be the case but we are all guessing; the contract and only the contract controls. There are non-refundable deposits; refundable deposits for no reason; or, more likely, deposits refundable on certain conditions. The contract will say.

if it is a "certain conditions" refund, we have to see the contract for the conditions. it might be 'any problem in the survey' and it might be "major problem in the survey" and it might be "specific problem in the survey" (example--transom rot, but not engine issues, are grounds to walk.)

So then the next step is to determine if the buyer breached the contract by not closing, or if he had a basis under the contract not to close. if he had a basis not to close, then we go back to the contract to see if the deposit is refundable or not, but he doesn't owe the damages.

Glenn, you are wrong about contract law, adn wrong about what a judge would ask. If the buyer breached the contract, the seller then "covers" by selling the goods, and then looks to the breaching buyer for his loss from the sale. So if buyer was to pay $13,000, breaches, and seller sells for $10,000, he owes the $3000 the seller lost from the lost sale (and other expenses, such as advertising, brokers fees, etc., but also less the deposit: $1000 here). But if the seller sold for more than $13,000, he does not owe the first buyer the difference. he probably also gets to keep the deposit, depending on the contract.

The buyer may be able to defend against the $3000 claim by proving failure to mitigate--for example, that the seller turned down a $12,000 sale and took the $10K.

If the seller is a seller of goods of that kind, there is a possibility that the "law of lost sales" applies and he gets to recover the whole $13,000, less the deposit, from the defaulting buyer. This may come up with a dealer with high cost/low volume goods, such as yachts.
 

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r.j. your co-worker just went from getting wronged buy the first buyer, to being wrong himself. None of what you typed makes any sense, in regards to him keeping the deposit and suing for another $1000. None. Your co-worker has just become the bad guy, and it's going to cost him a lot more money to be told that by a judge. Tell him to give the $2000 deposit back and apologize.
 

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r.j. your co-worker just went from getting wronged buy the first buyer, to being wrong himself. . . . Tell him to give the $2000 deposit back and apologize.

Amen.
 

r.j.dawg

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TilliamWe;4008855Tell him to give the $2000 deposit back and apologize.[/QUOTE said:
I did tell him when he mentioned about keeping the deposit. I told him he should just be greatfull that he got the boat sold at this time of year. He's hard headed. TG he works in another department
 

airdvr1227

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Man I hate it when people start tossing attorneys around. I have a saying that there is always 3 sides to every story. We've only heard 1...there's the other side, and lastly the truth which usually can be found somewhere in the middle. I can't understand why your buddy would keep a $2000 deposit unless he had it in writing that the deposit was non-refundable.
 

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r.j. your co-worker just went from getting wronged buy the first buyer, to being wrong himself. None of what you typed makes any sense, in regards to him keeping the deposit and suing for another $1000. None. Your co-worker has just become the bad guy, and it's going to cost him a lot more money to be told that by a judge. Tell him to give the $2000 deposit back and apologize.
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I did tell him when he mentioned about keeping the deposit. I told him he should just be greatfull that he got the boat sold at this time of year. He's hard headed. TG he works in another department
Hard headed? He's a jerk.

Would love to read the sales contract if their was one. :facepalm:
 

25thmustang

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Home Cookin', I guess I've never seen a contract that had a clause for a non refundable deposit, prior to a survey and sea trial. I guess a contract can say anything really. When I got a deposit on my boat, I never cashed it, and had he backed out due to a survey issue, he would have been handed the deposit back.
 
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