"Master Bait'R" Restore Thread

[jbcurt00]

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

I recently had a similar 'conversation' w/ the Admiral...:facepalm:

Hope you can get the cap off now. Looks like a lot of work to get to this point. Make sure to keep all the pcs you cut out, may help get the splashwell setup & aligned when you are getting ready to fiberglass this back together.

 

[sevanseriesta]

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I had the cap all the way off and suspended already but I have to move everything outside of the garage, because of last night's escapade. So I just set her back on there until she's outside then the cap will come off and go I will the garage. I hope all of the wood now is rotted for as much trouble as the cap gave me.

 

[glenn property of pam]

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

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yep the side pieces are going to have to be fixed before the cap goes back on from the inside. not the easiest place to repair but thats weeks away and you will be way more experianced by then. the color is easy to match so it wont realy show when repaired. now you are going to have to make a plastic tent around the boat to keep her-in-doors happy because theres a lot of grinding in the future

 

[sevanseriesta]

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I am going to repaint the whole boat so I am not really worried about color. I am giving it a new theme, so new colors are in order. Im gonna name the Boat "Master Baiter", should be fun. I was able to get the sawhorses done last night. I will put the cap on them on Tuesday, and will start tearing apart the inside, I have a feeling that this will not be easy, as everything looks like it is pretty solid.. So we will see.
I can stack them on each other for storage also.

 

[glenn property of pam]

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looking good so far. lets hope for real good or real bad as real good can be saved and real bad is easy to work with.

 

[sevanseriesta]

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We should know tonight or at the latest tomorrow night. Then it is off to the Sandblaster booth. I found this really cool place where I can rent a sandblaster booth with all the equipment for $60 an hour. Im Gonna redo My trailer, then sell it and try and make a little money. It seems that I can make more money selling trailers then building and selling boats. I was able to sell my last trailer for 5 times what I paid for it.

 

[sevanseriesta]

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So I was able to get the Neighbor Hood to come over and help lift the top off. It was a lot heavier then I expected. Here is what I found underneath. The back looks fiberglassed in really, really well. In front of the back livewell is a different story. It looks like everything is rotted in there.so I peeled back the deck of fiberglass and this is what I found.

This is a pic of the front support it looks pretty good but is covered in foam on the back so who knows.

Here is where the deck starts about 3/4 of the way up. It is amazing to me that the whole boat looks completely fiberglassed in, except where the ski locker was on the inside.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

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And this is where I was talking about with the ski locker, everything looked so promising, well put together (to my untrained eye), and they had to screw up and do this. Fiberglass stops about 3/4 of the way up.

And this is my little man helping out.

This is looking towards the front.

This pic is really kinda hard to tell whats going on. THis is the transom area from the side.I was trying to get a pic of what the board looked like, but its a pretty big mess back there. It looks like there is some kinda resin, foam, fiberglass all in the one area. I was confused, it just looks cheap, and did not make much sense since the rest looked pretty good.

And for some reason I have no pics of the back I will get those tomorrow when I get back at it.

 

[glenn property of pam]

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the transom may not be all the way across the back of the boat or the transom goes straight across so the wings in the back are filled with flotation foam for surport. you have flotaion boxs either side these are the parts you have to be carefull with measuring the bottom width for because when you glass them in they will not let the sides flex. thats one mistake i made then had to correct when i tested fitted the top. next step is to measure all the wood for the floors before ripping it out then may i surgest you copy jb's idea (ops thats gt100000 frame my bad http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=571204&page=2 post #33) of making a internal frame that lifts out that marks the location of your stringers. by chiseling the old glass of the stringers in certain points you can make the frame so it goes against the wood of the old stringers marking there height as this will save hours of work later trying to get the stringers square and the right height.

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

the transom may not be all the way across the back of the boat or the transom goes straight across so the wings in the back are filled with flotation foam for surport. you have flotaion boxs either side these are the parts you have to be carefull with measuring the bottom width for because when you glass them in they will not let the sides flex. thats one mistake i made then had to correct when i tested fitted the top. next step is to measure all the wood for the floors before ripping it out then may i surgest you copy jb's idea of making a internal frame that lifts out that marks the location of your stringers. by chiseling the old glass of the stringers in certain points you can make the frame so it goes against the wood of the old stringers marking there height as this will save hours of work later trying to get the stringers square and the right height.

Do you know what the name of his thread was that he made this frame in. I will look in his sig and see if I see its there but just incase the name would be good. I also believe that the transom does not go all the way across it looks like it stops about 2 or 3" before the flotation foam that you were talking about. And yes it is filled with foam across the back.

The Flotation boxes that you are talking about look like they are only fiberglassed in on the top and outside but not completely. I can actually push that foam in with my finger. I will take better pics later, I am going to get all the measurements I can tonight before demo. I just dont know where to start the demo. Are those Flotation Boxes reusabel. I was thinking about cutting them out at the bottom if I could.

Also the holes through the transom what is the best way to get a good measurement of where to drill the holes. I woried that I will not space them correctly and the boat wont stay on a straight path. Guidence here would be helpful.
Also in this pic you can see the ribs in the floor/hull, what are these exactly and will I need to measure these exactly?

 

[jbcurt00]

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Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

the transom may not be all the way across the back of the boat or the transom goes straight across so the wings in the back are filled with flotation foam for surport. you have flotaion boxs either side these are the parts you have to be carefull with measuring the bottom width for because when you glass them in they will not let the sides flex. thats one mistake i made then had to correct when i tested fitted the top. next step is to measure all the wood for the floors before ripping it out then may i surgest you copy jb's idea of making a internal frame that lifts out that marks the location of your stringers. by chiseling the old glass of the stringers in certain points you can make the frame so it goes against the wood of the old stringers marking there height as this will save hours of work later trying to get the stringers square and the right height.

I'm not sure what internal frame you're referring to, but it sounds like you've got a plan that might work.... Sorry. CRS strikes about this time every day..... Can't Remember Siht.....

 

[glenn property of pam]

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sry jb i miss quoted its was gt100000 frame i changed the text to correct the mistake also added a link to another tread that give a example of it
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=571204&page=2 post #33

 

[GT1000000]

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Hi sevanseriesta,

Just got all caught up with your thread...sorry, it took me a while to notice...

Nice looking ProCraft...gonna be sweet when you get it all done...

Hey since it's a bass boat, I would like to come aboard and help any way I can...

I noticed you have got things pretty much under control...

As far a demolition...there is no real right or wrong way...just make sure you have taken tons of pictures and measurements and made some notes...maybe even take pictures that include a tape measure in them as a point of reference...This isn't rocket science and a lot of it becomes easier as you go along...just take your time and keep at it...

Having to cut the splashwell is no big deal, by the time you get to putting it back, you will be an expert glasser...

If there are any questions you have, just ask and I'll try and point you in the right direction...if a day or two goes by, and I haven't responded, shoot me a PM...

Best of luck,
GT1M

 

[sevanseriesta]

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Hey thanks Gt, I have read some of your stuff already so I kinda remembered what glen was talking about after I read your thread.

I am still wondering what the ribs in the Hull are and should I sand those down I have not seen any other boats with this in them.

 

[glenn property of pam]

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Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

i personally put in the transom and clamped it then used the holes in the fiberglass as the template for the holes in the wood then removed and drilled them to keep them square. all the other holes i didnt drill until the transom was completely glassed in as its a pain to keep having to clean the holes out. there may be better options from the more expericanced.
the pieces on the floor are runners and if they are rotten they have to be replaced. one of your stingers might cross a runner at diffent angles so thats fun i found a electric plane and lots of test fitting until i got a small gap under the stringer worked thats why a frame would help as you might have to adjust a stringer a few times and the frame will allow you to quickly put the stringer in and out for testing.

 

[GT1000000]

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

Do you mean the ribs I see running fore/aft in post # 70?

 

[sevanseriesta]

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Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

Do you mean the ribs I see running fore/aft in post # 70?

Yes

 

[sevanseriesta]

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

i personally put in the transom and clamped it then used the holes in the fiberglass as the template for the holes in the wood then removed and drilled them to keep them square. all the other holes i didnt drill until the transom was completely glassed in as its a pain to keep having to clean the holes out. there may be better options from the more expericanced.
the pieces on the floor are runners and if they are rotten they have to be replaced. one of your stingers might cross a runner at diffent angles so thats fun i found a electric plane and lots of test fitting until i got a small gap under the stringer worked thats why a frame would help as you might have to adjust a stringer a few times and the frame will allow you to quickly put the stringer in and out for testing.

What the difference between a runner and a stringer?

Also do you recommend me getting a better tape measure or is the normal 25ft stanley one going to work fine.

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: How would you recommend starting stringer Replacement

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What the difference between a runner and a stringer? Also do you recommend me getting a better tape measure or is the normal 25ft stanley one going to work fine.

The tape is more then adequate. It may end up w/ poly resin, PB or any manner of other stuff on it, so no need to buy another.

Educated guess only, but the runners look to be stiffening the hull, as though thru pre-production testing or based on owner feedback, the hull flexed more then they intended or more then was acceptable for hull longevity. Vibration dampening maybe as well. They address a concern with the hull. Stringers may add to that but are the primary point of contact for the deck (floor) to rest on. Completing the 'system' of wood & fiberglass that encompass the boat, not 'just' the hull.

May have been formed in fiberglass out of the boat & then laminated to the hull prior to installing the stringers & deck. Cardboard tubes have also been used to form similar looking structure in other boats. In these cases it appears as though the tubes were laid into the hull & fiberglass was applied to them similar to the way stringers are tabbed & glassed.

You might try examining them closely & if they appear sound & well bonded, just fit the stringers to them as the factory did originally. If they don't, post some general pix & closeups. Somebody will have done similar repairs or seen the problem before & will post up some advice.

 

[sevanseriesta]

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perfect headed home now to do some work.....