Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l322/dhjalmervik/280_zpse2466190.jpg

I had to finish the set up portion. Sorry second try

 

[zool]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Sounds like you will have the whole boat for the drivetrain you will use, that's good. So now its just a matter of the condition of the components....

You'll most likely want to pressure test the drive, and replace the seals if necessary, redo the bearings on the primary drive shaft in the flywheel housing (nows the time to do it), and replace the bellows set on install.

im sure the motor you can assess whats needed.

One thing im wondering....the fact that the drivetrain is stripped from your boat, probably because it was a later model VP setup, but are you sure it wasn't parted out, due to structural rot?

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

OK so that works, I now see what happened to the bottom; the last roller is missing on the trailer.

Any suggestions on a sunpad pattern or a pattern to follow for the rear "jump" seats, the cooler cover, and trash flip cover/front seat. I'm jumping the gun I realize, but I am making a list of a few things I can hammer out during next week.

 

[zool]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

You can use a dethreading tool to take apart the upholstery, and use them as patterns, but they have a tendency to be stretched, so its an art, more than a science. You will need access to an industrial or heavy duty sewing machine to tackle these items. If the backer boards are in good shape, you can use them as templates for new plywood, coated with resin or paint. A stainless stapler will come in handy here.

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Great question about the rot; I have no idea. I did the tap test and it all sounded the same. So that either means I'm OK or the whole thing is jacked. Too late now though, I jumped the gun like I always do and now I have a big POS in front of my house and have 24 hours to do what I need to get the motor and drive out. My HOA doesn't play the security gate followed me to my house from the gate to tell me the clock is ticking. I have a couple of pics but have to disconnect at least the outdrive removed, and the motor loose so I can drive to my forklift and pull the motor and put it on my tailer. Then drive the POS out to the dump TONIGHT. Oie. Advetures... Any quick advise to get the drive disconnected would be great. I have the upper 4 bolts out now.

 

[bajaunderground]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Grab a chainsaw and cut-out the whole magilla!

I mean since you're gonna "dispose" of it anyway?

 

[bigdirty]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

... Too late now though, I jumped the gun like I always do and now I have a big POS in front of my house and have 24 hours to do what I need to get the motor and drive out. My HOA doesn't play the security gate followed me to my house from the gate to tell me the clock is ticking. I have a couple of pics but have to disconnect at least the outdrive removed, and the motor loose so I can drive to my forklift and pull the motor and put it on my tailer. Then drive the POS out to the dump TONIGHT. ...

I'd consider moving.. :lol: oh wait, too late for that I guess... Had a similar issue years ago while I still lived at home with mom.. The subdivision had strict rules about 'derelict' vehicles or too many vehicles in the driveway.. I brought home a parts car for the one i was building, and there was a notice on the front door of the house the next morning.. least i got 48 hours to 'remove' it.. had that thing stripped down to a shell the next day with the help of a few buddys and a case of beer, same tow truck guy came t pick it up that night. he said ' holy crap man... you dont fool around do ya?'

My only advice is take LOTS of pictures as you are ripping it apart, take everything and anything you need and if you dont intend on keeping it or using it, smash it out of your way. A BFG (big friggin hammer) , a crowbar, along with a sawsall make quick work of most things.. a chainsaw may wake the neighbors and judging by the sounds of the kinda place where you live, it will also get the police called.. :laugh:

 

[zool]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Great question about the rot; I have no idea. I did the tap test and it all sounded the same. So that either means I'm OK or the whole thing is jacked. Too late now though, I jumped the gun like I always do and now I have a big POS in front of my house and have 24 hours to do what I need to get the motor and drive out. My HOA doesn't play the security gate followed me to my house from the gate to tell me the clock is ticking. I have a couple of pics but have to disconnect at least the outdrive removed, and the motor loose so I can drive to my forklift and pull the motor and put it on my tailer. Then drive the POS out to the dump TONIGHT. Oie. Advetures... Any quick advise to get the drive disconnected would be great. I have the upper 4 bolts out now.

The manual I gave has the correct procedure, but since youre in a hurry, you need to disconnect the shift cable under the rear plate that has the 280 badge on it. Remove or cut off the bellows pair, the drive is connected to the primary drive shaft with a female coupler. Leave the flywheel cover on the motor, disconnect the steering ram and any trim pump and wires. remove the transom shield bolts, support the drive, and slide it back..(will take effort)...The u-joint on the drive is male, as is the PDS spline, the coupler connects the two.

Then take off the Y pipe from the manifolds, then lift out the engine and flywheel cover as one. Take the trim guage, control buttons, shifter, and anything else in the system you can grab.

I may have missed something, just going off memory....the manual has it all tho..

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Thank goodness for good ole Dewalt sawzall! I pulled the wires all the way up to the fuse box and gauges ripped off the dash panel as well so I can tell what they went to when Im trying to put it all back together. 2 cuts about 6 inches further out than the widest bolts of the drive all the way down, 2 bolts each side (motor mounts). Left everything I could connected to the motor and zip tied the gas tank hose, vents, fuel gauge wires, and such to where it suppose to lay out when I transplant. I have pictures and will up load tomorrow after the last bottom cut is made. I have a forklift at work to pull it out and put it on a pallet. Take whats left to el dumpo and pay my 35 bucks and drop it off. Zool, I was afraid to look at the manual tonight and try and map it out; in case the dreaded "special tool" jump out and smacked me in the face.

Yes, the community cops came by and warned me that 2 neighbors had called and 10 was lights out for the project. Oh and I checked the oil after that was all done and I think its cleaner then the oil in my truck! So thats either a good sign or they just dumped the old oil, and put fresh in to get my hopes up. Either way it is what it is; 450.00 is what I paid i forgot to add that earlier.

Thanks everyone. Pictures to come, the ones from tonight are dark. Zool; what a kind person you are to help all of us out with your vast knowledge, and willingness to share. Thats all for tonight!

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l322/dhjalmervik/280_zpse2466190.jpg If you click on the same link above I uploaded a few. Hard to see but I will take more tomorrow in the sunlight

Thanks again!

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

dhjalmervik's Library | Photobucket

Test to see if this link works, I've been thinking you all have been able to see the progress. It appears you have been left out of the loop. Motors and drive are still connected but out. Donor boat served it purpose and will continue to rot at the Landfill. Spoke to the trailer guy, should be ready either today or Monday. We did not paint it as planned at this point we went for road worthy, safe, and legal for now. A short visit from the constable at my buddies house where the boat is on stands helped us make that decision.

Next step will be the super check of the hull. I should have revisited my pre-buy checklist prior to jumping the gun on the motor and dismantle. I got excited, no biggie though; I wasted 550 bucks before and had much less fun. I still don't know if we have a rotten hull, or if the motor and drive even work.

I leave my buddy to the super power wash and clean and super polish of the hull, and the needs list for the "little" things. Ie. the horn cover, a couple of cleats and replace the snaps, track down the safety items that we will need, and pick up some new stuff for the motor. I'll go pick up the motor and drive to do some testing, cleaning, and separation this afternoon.

Thanks again everybody for your help so far; I am really thankful I found this site while doing this. What a great, convenient way to ask new buddies that know a whole lot more then me! Zool, if you ever get out to Vegas; come on over and check out the progress in person, beers and bbq will await you.

Thanks new buddies.

 

[zool]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Constable? LOL...for a boat on stands?...good thing im not there, if they saw what I got going on, they would send in the black helicopters and jackboots!

The motor and drive look in excellent shape, no corrosion, should make the prep and install easier. Not to repeat myself, but when you separate the drive and motor to install them, use the manual....don't fret over the special tools, most of them are for rebuilding, resealing, gear lash set, bearings, ect. And even then, theres usually a work around for most tasks, sometimes its just a standard socket.

No problem on the help, but that was the easy part, keep posting the progress in this thread, and most ppl here will help as much as they can. Im just paying forward and back for all the help I get here

 

[zool]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Also, when in your photobucket, just click on a pic, and on the right there is 4 links under share this photo.click on the bottom one that says "img" and it will say Copied, then just past in the text here.

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

So photobucket and I are fighting right now and I have some new photos to post. We took the donor boats trailer and now the montura is sitting on that trailer until tomorrow when we "should" get the newer safer trailer back.
I do have questions though so bear with me.

a. How do I tell if I have a rotten POS as a hull right now. I've tapped and tapped and can't tell a hollow tap from a dead tap?

b. There is the original wiring plug on the Montura to all of the gauges and components. The donor 225d also has the original wiring harness. I do not think it is plug and play but don't remember for sure. Many years different so I am thinking NO. However, on many auto applications they make adapter plugs one would have the correct end to plug into the motor harness, and the other end would connect to the Montura harness. IS there such a thing?

C. The steering cable, throttle cable, trim cable are still attached from both the donor and montura; which ones do I use?

D. The bilge pump and blower? I understand the concept but it seems like it is attached to the hull, what are the components and how do I tell if it is working, should I replace it now?

E. the drive bellows, the top one is cracked so obviously that is shot. The bottom appears to be relatively new, do I replace it?

F. the fuel pump on the montura isn't where it supposed to be so I'll probably need that. I'm planning on takin

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

Oh and yes I've been reading the manuals you sent, any suggestions on getting the side pins out tomorrow. I also wonder if when I get those out is it going to come out by itself or is it going to take and act of God to get it out.

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help



OK, so the black topped piece on the left of the photo. It may be a trim pump?? Has 2 allen bolts and an electrical connection, can I pull that straight up and zip tie it to the engine until re-install?

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help



Yet another test.

 

[zool]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

So photobucket and I are fighting right now and I have some new photos to post. We took the donor boats trailer and now the montura is sitting on that trailer until tomorrow when we "should" get the newer safer trailer back.
I do have questions though so bear with me.

a. How do I tell if I have a rotten POS as a hull right now. I've tapped and tapped and can't tell a hollow tap from a dead tap?

b. There is the original wiring plug on the Montura to all of the gauges and components. The donor 225d also has the original wiring harness. I do not think it is plug and play but don't remember for sure. Many years different so I am thinking NO. However, on many auto applications they make adapter plugs one would have the correct end to plug into the motor harness, and the other end would connect to the Montura harness. IS there such a thing?

C. The steering cable, throttle cable, trim cable are still attached from both the donor and montura; which ones do I use?

D. The bilge pump and blower? I understand the concept but it seems like it is attached to the hull, what are the components and how do I tell if it is working, should I replace it now?

E. the drive bellows, the top one is cracked so obviously that is shot. The bottom appears to be relatively new, do I replace it?

F. the fuel pump on the montura isn't where it supposed to be so I'll probably need that. I'm planning on takin

a. How do I tell if I have a rotten POS as a hull right now. I've tapped and tapped and can't tell a hollow tap from a dead tap?



That should be your 1st order of business. What you should do is drill some test holes in the transom near the bottom from the inside of the boat. DO NOT drill thru the outer skin, just about an inch or so with a 1/4 bit. do this in a few areas along the bottom, and near the keyhole.


Also, drill into the stringers and motor mount pads near the bottom, especially in the engine bay area.

If the shavings that come out are wet/dark/powder....you need to address those issues before install. If they are blond and dry, fill the holes with 3m 5200 and give thanks to the creator

The other stuff ill have to look up, they used a bunch of different trim tilt systems over the series, theres a good chance that the system in your current build, wont work with the 280 drive tilt/trim system. Theres also different systems for just the 280+-..one Swedish tilt, one USA tilt, and a trim system...

What year is your boat?...not sure if that was posted. Also take pics of your current trim guage/control switch, and the one from the doner..BBL

 

[zool]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help

D. The bilge pump and blower? I understand the concept but it seems like it is attached to the hull, what are the components and how do I tell if it is working, should I replace it now?


The bilge pump is just hooked up to a power bus, and is usually just screwed down to a glassed in board....the screws my be hidden, so take the cap off the plate. You can test it by connecting it to a battery, and lift the mechanism to trigger it....I would test it under water.

The blower is just an inline fan and switch, inside some plastic tubing, you should be able to just use whats on the Monterey...

E. the drive bellows, the top one is cracked so obviously that is shot. The bottom appears to be relatively new, do I replace it?


Both bellows are regular maintenance items, and should be changed bi-annually or so. Change them both now and check them yearly. The OEM VP set is the best, but pricey, the Sierra set will do the trick and wont kill the budget. You need to make sure the clamp screws are stainless and angle them to be accessible while the drive is on...or you'll kick yourself later.

 

[Montura newbie]

Re: Monterey Montura Newbie - need help


Bottom right by the drain plug. The black isis just grease and grime; I will be drilling tomorrow, Yikes



Gear shift on the 1995 Monterey Montura 196, the was not a lever on the donor, but it was still attached to the metal bracket which I have.



This is the plug from the build not the donor; they do not match up, however, they both have 7 wires; Im going with thats a good thing.



This is the build gas tank, I said fuel pump; I think I just meant the float. Regardless I need it and I do have to pull it out and clean it. Suggestions here? I hope to just take out the 8 screws and pull it right out. Plan is to slosh some dish soap and water in it a few times and rinse for an hour and blow it out with the compressor and let it dry for a day??? I got the trailer back today and am going to replace the 2x4s, paint waterproofing on them and recover them all purty like along with the inside wheel covers.

Wish me luck with the drill tomorrow! and again and always thank you. Oh and I didn't get to the motor, figured I'd wait for the results of the possible rot issue.