OB vs IB

[Huron Angler]

Re: OB vs IB

Now why in the world would I/Os be cheaper than outboards...I wonder...maybe because outboards are BETTER

It's simple supply and demand people, if I/Os were in fact superior they would be in higher demand, and higher in price accordingly.

 

[jasoutside]

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My buddy HA here ^^^^^ is having just a little trouble with the accept/admit part. He'll come come around.

We are here for you Mike. No, spending double what you need in order to achieve the same goal is not necessary.

 

[jcupo6]

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Now why in the world would I/Os be cheaper than outboards...I wonder...maybe because outboards are BETTER

It's simple supply and demand people, if I/Os were in fact superior they would be in higher demand, and higher in price accordingly.

Ooooo good point, never thought of it that way! This clearly is the winning argument!

 

[SparkieBoat]

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lots of I/O boats around me for sale at about 1/2 price of a outboard same type boat...and they still can sell them... I/O sux for salt water...manifolds last only a few years and leak salt water all over your engine...I have seen many I/O engines with major rust damage on one side or the other from leaks. OUTBOARDS rock

 

[jasoutside]

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If I were in salt, I would run an OB at any cost.

 

[Bwana Don]

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When gas hits $5.00 a gallon at the marina we'll talk. Oh by the way I'm on a fresh water sea, an I/O makes perfect sense to me.

If you're running in saltwater can you flush you're engine after usage? I think the outboard guys do this too. An alternative would be a closed cooling system.

I might look at an inboard if I was on the ocean. Get one with a small diesel in it for good gas milage.

Here's how it breaks down IMHO;
1) I/O
2) Inboard
3) Sailboat
4) Viking Vessel manned by a dozen of you're closest fishing buddies
5) Huck Finn raft made from pool noodles.
6) OUTBOARD
7) Fish from shore

If I had a dozen friends the Viking Ship would be the bomb.

 

[Pugetsound]

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You still have to flush a closed cooling systym to get the salt out of the cooling set up. Doesent go thru the engine but guarentee it will raise cain to the rest without rinseing after a trip to the salt water.

 

[barato2]

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You still have to flush a closed cooling systym to get the salt out of the cooling set up.

so how does this differ from an OB?? you still gotta flush those too....as well as virtually anytthing metal that's been in contact with salt water. you should see what the water pump internals looked like on my 8hp when i merely delayed flushing it for 2 days til i got home from Mexico

if OBs, even modern 4 stroke OBs, were all that perfectly reliable, you wouldn't see so many on fleebay with a bad cylinder etc.

i'm with Don on this one...fuel consumption issues trump all else to me, as this will be the major limiting factor on how often i can fish (and my range!). given this, big carb'd 2 strokes become a non-starter in my consideration. sure i'd rather have a 115hp 4 stroke OB on bracket, but then i wouldn't be a bottom feeder any more as i'd have $10K+ in my boat and the equiv of a car payment

EDIT after re-reading a lot of old threads to see what i missed out on in last 3 wks: someone mentioned something like 37 gph for a 115 Merc, on a tin boat which i believe was under 18'. reading the Armstrong engine pods website, i see they list a gph of 36.0 at WOT on a 25' glasser with two 200hp fourstrokes..... now, why would i want a 4 stroke as gas heads fast for $4?

 

[CheapboatKev]

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Now why in the world would I/Os be cheaper than outboards...I wonder...maybe because outboards are BETTER

It's simple supply and demand people, if I/Os were in fact superior they would be in higher demand, and higher in price accordingly.

Simply the technology needed to keep an O/B screaming along is expensive..Forcing all that HP from them tiny little silver dollar sized cylinders means all kinds of money.
There's no replacement for displacement..give me a big honkin coffee can piston anyday...same speed at 1/3 the rpms

 

[dozerII]

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Well with gas prices the way they are headed ,I'm sure glad I don't have my V4's any more. We just hit $1.20 a liter here $4.54 a US gal, at 13 gals an hour that hurts.
Glen

 

[Bwana Don]

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I'm going to try to save you here HA. Get the I/O tinnie. Outboards have their place, on the ponds and small lakes, not out on the big waters. They make great kickers too. You'll do better on the Great Lakes with an I/O though.

More complicated and more expensive does NOT mean better. Sometimes technology oversteps reality. Us engineers have a saying, KISS. Keep it simple stupid. More moving parts, more electronics etc means higher cost to maintain and higher cost to run. More horsepower through tiny little cylinders means more pressure per ....... it means more trouble. If you can't trust me and Jasoutside who can you trust?

 

[barato2]

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or, putting it another way, there's a reason a Chevy smallblock will run for more miles than a 13,000rpm sportbike engine and makes a better constant-rpm engine

 

[CBGale2]

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OB are better because thats what I have on my boat.

 

[Deadwood]

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Forcing all that HP from them tiny little silver dollar sized cylinders means all kinds of money.

Is that akin to putting 5lbs of $&^t in a 2lb bag?:facepalm:

 

[SparkieBoat]

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outboards are way better...if you like K.I.S.S. then forget the I/O with all the extra bearings and stuff to break, I dont even know what a gimbal is, but I know I do NOT want one. not to mention all the constant leaks and the big ole dog house right in the way where you need to be fighting a big fish...way harder to change motors if you have to...manifolds always giving problems. I had a friend once, we went to boat ramp, his I/O would not even turn over, had to take it all the way back home and charge the battery, lost the whole day..I hate I/O

 

[CheapboatKev]

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Is that akin to putting 5lbs of $&^t in a 2lb bag?:facepalm:

lol..pretty much

 

[CheapboatKev]

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outboards are way better...if you like K.I.S.S. then forget the I/O with all the extra bearings and stuff to break, I dont even know what a gimbal is, but I know I do NOT want one. not to mention all the constant leaks and the big ole dog house right in the way where you need to be fighting a big fish...way harder to change motors if you have to...manifolds always giving problems. I had a friend once, we went to boat ramp, his I/O would not even turn over, had to take it all the way back home and charge the battery, lost the whole day..I hate I/O

That is all just maintainence issues...What if ANOTHER friend had a perfectly maintained I/O..and another friend had an old, gummed up carb POS running on 2 outta 3 cylinders, bad impeller overheating POS OB? which one would you call junk?

 

[SparkieBoat]

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the I/O...my tounge may be in my cheek...
I was just having a little fun

 

[barato2]

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if you like K.I.S.S. then forget the I/O with all the extra bearings and stuff to break, I dont even know what a gimbal is, but I know I do NOT want one.
ahh, one of those inboard-with-separate-rudder purists..... bad news, Cap'n, your outboard has one too. it refers to the assembly that lets the outdrive leg turn from side to side and tilt up, just like what your OB does. you gotta keep the same bits on OB lubed and watch wear in bushings too.


the big ole dog house right in the way where you need to be fighting a big fish...
i always thought it had great possibilities for doin the wild thang at sea.....(would that be the "Mile-offshore Club"...?

had to take it all the way back home and charge the battery, lost the whole day..I hate I/O
yeah, i DO have to admit that the inability to keep the battery charged during off-season without any attention is a major drawback of I/Os compared to OBs

 

[SparkieBoat]

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that dog house argument has me seriously reconsidering my I/O hatred...that is the best reason I have ever heard of to have a I/O...I think I will cut holes in all my boats and refit them all with the much needed dog houses...I have been converted...