Was Jesus a real person?

[mikeandronda]

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Darth, if you think your little poem or verse from a song or thoughts are anything like the truth........I am amazed you find the strength to carry on breathing.........now its "my opinion" that was some awfully depressing drivil.

 

[LubeDude]

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Originally posted by Darth D Invader:<br /> My very last post to this thread.<br /><br /><br />In a universe of countless trillions of stars and blackholes, surround by an incalculable amount of planets, their moons and unidentified matter, <br />

And God did it all so that he may enjoy a relationship with you! As if you were the only being on earth. Thats how personable he wants things to be between you and him.<br /><br />Adam and eve messed it up or we would be walking and talking with God as they did in the garden still. Actually God knew it would happen all along, but that was the plan.

 

[lark2004]

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And I will say it again, since as a Christian, we are doomed to ridicule and open hostility,<br /><br />"No matter how hard we try and prove what we believe, Satan will put someone in our path with proof that we are wrong."<br /><br />Yet, we will persist to be there for everyone,<br />For that is what Jesus does. And to be a Christian means living with a Christlike attitude.<br /><br />Put it this way, how many people would try to save someones life, even if it meant losing their own life by doing so, even if the person had just tried to kill them?<br /><br />That is the enormity of what it is to live as Christ has instructed us.<br />Many people here will read this and think... yeah, as if. You may even hate me for what I believe, yet I still pray for everybody I know, that God will watch over them protect them in what they do each day.<br />All I ask is that if you don't believe, just keep an open mind.

 

[JB]

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Well, I understand that many Christians believe that they have a mission to evangelize.<br /><br />I don't think that evangelizing is the same thing as institutional disdain for other points of view, and self righteous institutional disdain is what comes across.<br /><br />If you want me to have an open mind, for crying out loud quit slamming it closed with such insensitive and disrespectful behavior.<br /><br />I have been punished by Christians all my life whenever I reveal the tiniest part of my personal beliefs. I have been beaten, ridiculed, called names and worse, just as here. Interesting that the university gave me a 4.0 in Bible Studies in spite of my beliefs.<br /><br />If you think any amount of evangelizing is going to get me to behave that way toward others you can just forget it. It is not by any stretch of imagination what Jesus meant you to do.<br /><br />Under attack? I don't agree. I think others are beginning to defend themselves against abuse of power.

 

[heycods]

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OK. JB I now desire further light. Enlighten me

 

[JB]

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Can you be more specific heycods?<br /><br />I have no desire to preach my beliefs. I came to them by observation and study. I wouldn't expect anyone else to learn by that. . . only by their own observation and study.

 

[aspeck]

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JB, for you, this will be my last post to this thread, but the title of the thread is, "Was Jesus a Real Person?" This sounds to me like a thread to discuss Christ. And in this thread I see very little "institutional disdain for other points of view, and self righteous institutional disdain is what comes across." <br /><br />And where did "I have been punished by Christians all my life whenever I reveal the tiniest part of my personal beliefs. I have been beaten, ridiculed, called names and worse, just as here." happen in this thread?<br /><br />Maybe I am too close that I just don't see it, but please help me to understand.<br /><br />And JB, I could tell you to quit reading this thread if you find it so objectionable, but I will not. For your sake I will keep silent unless spoken to directly. Peace Brother.

 

[dogsdad]

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John 14:6<br />Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."<br /><br /><br />JB, these are the words of Jesus. We who believe in Him accept His words as the truth and are bound to preserve them and observe them. If you disagree with them, you should take it up with Him.

 

[JB]

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This thread left the question as soon as I answered it, aspeck. I am not going to quote every post that told me I was "lost", ridiculed my intelligence or offered sympathy for my ignorance. That is what I mean by institutional disdain. It is grossly offensive.<br /><br />Yes, you are too close. I do not question your good intentions or those of others who are so used to ridiculing "non-believers" that they have no sensitivity to what they are doing.<br /><br />How many times have YOU been told you are lost, wrong, ignorant and destined to roast for eternity for what you believe? Try it, aspeck. You wont like it.

 

[heycods]

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> Can you be more specific heycods?<br /><br />I have no desire to preach my beliefs. I came to them by observation and study. I wouldn't expect anyone else to learn by that. . . only by their own observation and study.

You formed an opinion at an early age befour college, Explain observation and study. Not being smart axx, wife has studied most everything in different regligions ect. shes a babtist but enjoys the other theorys, mostly we work on theorys to tie them to christianity, many times it there plain as the nose on your face, have had many meetings with mormons jehovas witnesses ect.<br /> you have my e-mail add. lwr

 

[Kalian]

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I think JB makes a very good point there. It doesn't bother me to hear what JB is refering to because I was born into a christian family and steeped in the religion. I'm familiar with the message and understand where all the allegorys(sp) come from. But hopefuly you guys can see how your message can be offensive to others without meaning to be. I think maybe there is a big lesson here for someone. Perhaps changing the presentation of the message, without changing the message will go a long way. Perhaps when reaching out to someone you need to leave the jargon out.<br />Just a thought.

 

[heycods]

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Kailian it dont bother me either, maby you dont understand my questions, One of my best friends is a babtist minister. He is a highly educated ww2 b 17 bomber pilot, verry knolegable on most subjects. he can keep you enthralled for hours on theorys of evolution, big bang and many more many of which he believes are true. But his belief is this is the way the lord performed his work. You dont have to believe in a theory for it to be Intresting. and I am intrested in JBs thoughts on the mater. excuse my spelling never won a spelling bee. And I am not asking for his public opinion. thanks lwr

 

[Kalian]

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Heycods, I was actualy refering to Christians who try to convert other people. I started the reply before I saw your post.<br /> Oh, and I don't care about anybody's spelling here, mine aint so great either sometimes!<br /> My brother is like your Baptist minister. He comes up with a lot of stuff regarding alternatives to the big bang, whether evolution is realistic or not, as well as various quantum physics theories which allude to the posibility of a parellel universe. All conjecture, but interesting to listen to when your on a 3 hour roadtrip!

 

[dogsdad]

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JB, looking at my last post, I can see where you would take that as an in-your-face kind of retort. Sorry, I didn't mean for it to be like that. <br /><br />What I meant to point out is that this is where the exclusiveness of Christianity comes from. Since these are the words of Jesus, they are not like the words of one denomination or another condemning the rest of them. They are words of authority.

 

[heycods]

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Got to agree Kalian. I have set down with that old preacher many times while we were reloading rifle ammunition and you would not believe where those conversations have led. He holds a masters in theology and a minor in science I think. Damx its intresting.

 

[LubeDude]

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Jb, Im truly sorry if I offended you, that wasnt my intention at all. Not being the most tactfull person doesnt help either. If anyone knows my lack of tact, you should by now having to poof several of my remarks.<br /><br />All religions are Garbage, I say that because I dont see a relationship with a living god to be a religion. But the world puts Christianity in as a religion. You can be religious about anything, Bass fishing was my God before I turned my life around, even though I didnt see it as such then. When I became a Christian, I needed to give that up for a period of time untill I could get it into perspective. God is a jealous God and doesnt like to share us with other Gods. Which can be anything that takes us away from him.

 

[mikeandronda]

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Ok J.B. you say I qoute <br /><br />"I don't think that evangelizing is the same thing as institutional disdain for other points of view, and self righteous institutional disdain is what comes across.<br /><br />If you want me to have an open mind, for crying out loud quit slamming it closed with such insensitive and disrespectful behavior."<br /><br />And here I quote what I personaly have writen in this thread <br /><br />" J.B. I respect your veiws and I think we have sparred with words on this subject in one form or another but let me ask you this if you were to witness a miracle by a man who said he was the messiah do you think you might rethink your veiws? What if there is a right and wrong.....one way is the truth there is a black and white, wouldnt you want to know. What if the Bible tells it like it is, wouldnt you want to know? I know you to be a wise man and Im guessing you have pondered these things and more but please dont take lubedude words of all are lost without Jesus as an insult or a dig."<br /><br />Not only do I say I respect you but I say I think your a wise man. That my friend is something I believe, but understand what I and the others on here seem to be having a hard time explaining is what we have learned through the grace of God is not about wisdom or smarts. <br /><br />1 Cor. 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.<br /><br />Its not something you can understand without asking God to help.<br /><br />Nor do I or Aspeck, Lubdude or the others....if I can speak for the others, have any distain for you and let me also say when you have been mistreated by Christians in the past that was not a reflection of Christ. Please understand that. I would stand in defence of a non-christian being abused by Christians evry day of the rest of my life. <br /><br />Now let me also say Im big enough to hear, listen and discuss anybodys beliefs........

 

[crab bait]

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JESUS was a space alien.. sent from the mother-ship..<br /><br />the mother-ship will return someday

 

[aspeck]

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> How many times have YOU been told you are lost, wrong, ignorant and destined to roast for eternity for what you believe? Try it, aspeck. You wont like it.

JB, since you asked, I will post again. Are you forgetting that for the last 15 years I have been doing a good bit of work in a country that about 35% of the country is muslim and another 15% practice "cultural" religions? So, yes, I have been told that on countless occasions. In fact, if you look closely at several of YOUR posts over the years, you have implied that Christians they were lost, wrong, rude, pushy, ignorant, etc. Does it bother me? Sometimes.<br /><br />However, I also remember that all are human and we are all entitled to our own opinion. I enjoy hearing others opinion, but I also expect MY opinion to be heard. I will discuss a relationship with Christ as long as someone wants to discuss, but the minute I feel I am turning someone off, I will attempt to drop or change the subject. I also enjoy learning what others believe, so I can weigh it against what I believe and what I know. I have even changed my belief a time or two - not my core beliefs, but certian aspects of the supporting beliefs.<br /><br />And yes, you are correct, the thread was answered very early on, that Jesus was a real person, but the natural continuation of that thought for any believer of Christ is, "okay, if he was real, was he the son of God?" To that question I will return to an earlier post and say, he was either the Son of God, or a crazed heretic who had delusions of grandure. I believe He was the Son of God. And I will stop there.<br /><br />JB, I certainly do not intend to disrespect you. I think you are a class man, one with high intelligence, and one who has served our Country proudly. Nothing that I have said in this post was to imply or show disrespect to you or your belief system. It was only to point out what I believe. I am sorry if that did not come out clear enough. Although I am not sorry for anything I have said, I am sorry that I was not able to say it in a manor that was not offensive to you. Please accept my apologies.

 

[aspeck]

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Originally posted by crab bait:<br /> JESUS was a space alien.. sent from the mother-ship..<br /><br />the mother-ship will return someday

LOL at crabby! In a way, yes, that is what I believe! HA!