We're Gonna Get Hammered - Oil Spill!

cheburashka

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Not to sound cynical here but mother earth has a way of cleaning up what we do.

Yes, but her time clock is calibrated in eons, not in years. The damage most of us are worried about is what will happen in the next ten years or so. The Exxon Valdez killed hundreds of thousands of birds and marine mammals, and I'd guess that LA is more densely inhabited than PWS was.

Sometimes I worry that Mother Earth is just going to hit that "self-cleaning" button that turns everything up to 700 degrees for an hour or so, as a way of permanently cleaning up what we do.
 

mphy98

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Sorry to ruffle feathers, just thought that when they cap it it will eventually take care of itself. This is what happened in WWII. I do not trust the media one iota as someone else has stated, but that said I did not mean to get anyone upset. No one likes a polluter, and this was a very bad accident. Things do happen and the rest of us move on. I do feel for the families that lost loved ones. They may never be found.
 

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As of a few minutes ago, I have volunteered my boat and my time with yet another agency. This time, its a local Parish government. Their Homeland Security dept. is compiling a list of boats/names and they are apparently trying to get booms from a variety of sources, for deployment.
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Hang in there Jay, I hope they get you out on the water soon.

I'm proud to say my neighbors here in S.IL. are helping.
Elastec American Marine in Carmi, IL., an hour from me.

On tues. they had their entire inventory of hydro fire system booms headed
south. 44,350 ft. Last night's tv news said they are going to produce 3000 ft.
a day until the spill is contained.
 

fdmsiv

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New website with info about the spill

http://www.epa.gov/bpspill/

From my understanding the BOP (blow out preventor - Sits around the drill string on the sea floor, has huge hydraulic rams that pinch off the pipe in an emergency) failed and I'm sure the string was torn up while the semi sunk which makes a quick capping operation very difficult.

A typical drill crew is about 12 guys, the 11 missing were probably trying to prevent this right before the blow out ignited.

This is terrible for so many reasons...
 
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DJ

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Thanks all, something to think about. A lot makes sense. Much appeciated.

One thing, for sure. We have NO real clue and we are clueless when it comes to Real Earth history and our impact on it. 10,000 years is a "drop in the bucket". If-you believe in 10K, in human existance. :confused: Another thread.

The point is that this Earth has seen enormous climate shifts. None of which had to do with human activity. They were: Volcanic, Teresitial impacts (Baltimore) etc. The Earth will shift again and there is not a dang thing we can do about it.

So, enjoy your waters-as they exist today.

Ahoy!
 

skargo

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DJ,
what are you referring to ie terrestrial impact Baltimore? You have peaked my curiosity. You can PM me as to avoid a hijack ;)

I just can't imagine all that oil pumping out non-stop like that, it's mind boggling really.
 

jay_merrill

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I am not an expert in drilling, but I did once get hired to bring an E&P (exploration & production) company out of Chapter 11 bankruptcy. I went from not knowing what an "AFE" (Authority or Authorization For Expenditure) is, to running the daily affairs of the U.S. division of a U.K. company, pretty quickly.

Based on that experience, here's my take on the situation.

First, a drill string is the series of drill pipe sections that drive the drill. It is not the casing, either subterrainian, or that which runs from the sea floor to the drill rig. The well that blew would have involved casing below the surface of the seabed, the wellhead & BOP, plus a riser that ran from the wellhead to the rig. Just what blew is unknown, but it is known that the BOP didn't work.

When the rig sank, the riser collapsed and is now lying on the seabed, not necessarily completely flat, but its more or less on the bottom. It was known that the riser was spewing oil from two points - most likely the severed end and a break somewhere along its length. Its now known that there is a third leak point. It is not believed that the third break is allowing any more oil to escape than was already getting out. This is because the well bore and formation pressure will determine flow rate and the number of holes within a single riser, apparently doesn't make much difference.

One bit of information that is being heard locally, is that the BOP does not have a feature that allows it to be engaged from the rig. Some BOPs have this capability, some do not. Apparently, there is about a $500,000 difference in cost, between those that have this capability and those that do not. I'm going to end my discussion of this issue at this point, because I don't want to get into the blame game thing, in this thread. It simply "is what it is," if this is true.

If the current estimates are correct, the flow is about 5,000 barrels per day, which is 210,00 gallons per day. That's just under 1.5 million gallons per week. At that rate, we will exceed the Exxon Valdez incident in under two months, which is about a month less than the amount of time, that it will take to drill and a relief well. I don't even want to think about what the situation will be like, if the estimates are under the actual flow.

As it stands, this incident will affect every one of us. Once again, I'm going to leave my comment at that, but its worth thinking about.



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DJ

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As a sidenote, been there-5X (Prudhoe), talking to customers.

The AK pipeline (oil) is worn out. It needs to be replaced. Now, we talk about Nat. Gas.-alongside.

NOT going to happen.

There are too many entities involved that will stop--ALL. Read: environmental. The've been proven wrong on the oil pipeline, they're running hard on the Nat. Gas.

Plenty there, (they say 200 years at current usage) They just have no way to get the product to you.

Interstate and Intercountry (Canada) fighting continues.

Nothng will be done.

Stay tuned.
 

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Between my last post and now, there is more news and its pretty much what I feared - the flow is believed to be as high as 25,000 barrels per day. At 42 gallons per barrel, that's 1,050,000 gallons per day.

One Million, Fifty Thousand Gallons Per Day.

My gut tells me that this estimate is much higher than what is really going on, but I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to know the real number is much higher than the 5,0000 BPD estimate.

Eat a lot of blue crabs, oysters and shrimp while you can, because there is about to be a shortage of both.



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jay_merrill

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BTW,
.... 11 lives lost, it's worth remembering them as well ....

Yes it is. Rumor has it that it was known that there were problems and at least some of them stayed on the rig floor, trying to deal with whatever was going on.



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skargo

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Yes it is. Rumor has it that it was known that there were problems and at least some of them stayed on the rig floor, trying to deal with whatever was going on.



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I wouldn't be surprised!
 

DECK SWABBER 58

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I just read the list, with their biographies.

HEART WRENCHING.

I'm sure they realized what was about to happen and
then tried to do what ever they could and then BOOM,
their all dead.

True Hero's IMHO. What a tragedy.

Another kick in the pant's for the Gulf Coast. How much
more can you guy's take ???:eek:
 

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Anyone have some photos of the slick?
 

jay_merrill

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Louisiana fishing, east of the mouth of the Mississippi River, has been shut down. I pulled all of my crab traps yesterday.

I'm not sure what the state of Mississipp is doing, but since the state line is at the Pearl River, which isn't very far east of St. Bernard and St. Tammany Parishes, I suspect they will start closing things down in a progressive manner, worling from west to east, along the shoreline.



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jay_merrill

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I just noticed a missed call from one of the Parish governments that I had called to volunteer. I know via a news story that they are going to begin booming in the morning, so that's probably what the call was about. I may be off of the net for awhile & will report in as I can.



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Here is a first hand story from one of my previous students who was on the rig when the incident occurred:

Long Beach resident talks about surviving oil rig explosion


Darin Rupinski was asleep at 9:45 p.m. after a 12-hour shift on the Deepwater Horizon when the explosion rocked the oil rig on the Gulf of Mexico.
The 23-year-old Long Beach resident ran outside, looked up and saw the towering derrick surrounded by fire.
The 2008 Merchant Marine Academy graduate knew exactly what to do from his emergency training at Kings Point.
"I ran up to the bridge and grabbed some radios, a flashlight, a bullhorn and ran back down" to the lowest deck where the lifeboats were stored.
The workers were yelling and screaming. Some jumped 70 feet off the rig and into the gulf. Rupinski and his supervisor tried to create order. "I was using the bullhorn to get people to get into the boats and calm down."
After about 15 minutes, he said his supervisor's lifeboat was filled, lowered to the water and pulled away. After another 5 to 10 minutes, his own boat was filled with about 75 employees, including one who was severely injured with burns and cuts. They motored to a supply boat that was about a half-mile away.
It was 11:15 that night of April 20 before Rupinski finally climbed aboard the supply boat with the rest of the survivors. He then got his first look at the crippled rig across the water: "It was just a huge torch in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico."
Rupinski never expected to be working on an oil rig when he graduated two years ago from the academy. His plans to work as an officer aboard a merchant ship fell through, so he ended up as a "dynamic positioning operator." Rigs such as the 320-foot-tall Deepwater Horizon are not moored to the floor of the gulf, but kept in place over the oil well with thrusters - operated by workers like Lipinski.
Miles off shore, and working with oil pumped from the seabed, Deepwater Horizon might have seemed dangerous, even before the accident. But Rupinski says safety is deeply woven into the corporate cultures of Transocean, the rig's owner, and BP, which contracts it to do the drilling.
"We're filling out paperwork and doing preventive maintenance constantly," he said. "We did lifeboat drills every weekend."
Rupinski was given an indefinite leave of absence but plans to return to a Transocean rig. "With the exception of this, it's probably one of the safest jobs out there," he said.
Rupinski was not injured, but he knew the 11 of his 126 co-workers who are missing and presumed dead. He thinks he survived because his berth was far away from the derrick where the drill operated - and he credits his academy emergency training.
One of his professors, Capt. Timothy Tisch, said he was proud. "He did what he was supposed to do," Tisch said. "What we teach them in their Safety of Life at Sea course is how to be in charge of the crew during shipboard emergencies and specifically abandoning ship: mustering the crew, being a leader and keeping everybody calm and focused, and getting away from the ship."
Rupinski returned to the campus briefly Thursday to get a new military ID because all of his papers sank with Deepwater Horizon.
Rupinski would like to visit again to thank Tisch and another professor who taught his safety classes.
"I'd shake their hands and kiss their feet."
 
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