We're Gonna Get Hammered - Oil Spill!

skargo

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Thanks for sharing that angus63.
 

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I had a very disappointing day today. I got up at 5 am, called the command center in a neighboring Parish and received confirmation that the call I missed last night, was for me to show up for booming activities.

When I got to the training session, there seemed to be lots of confusion as to who would be working and who wouldn't. Basically, they wanted the folks selected, to have been pre-registered. After a safety training session, which was interrupted multiple times, we were broken up into groups and directed to report to a remote location for further training. That never happened.

Soon there after, I found myself being questioned by multiple people as to why I was there, essentially because I was an "outsider." I volunteered my time, my boat and my money to help "neighbors," with no expectation of being paid. What was revealed during the initial training, however, was that we would be paid and paid quite a lot. Once that information was released, it became like a pack of sharks in a pool of chum, engaged in a feeding frenzy. The locals, simply put, were hell bent on getting in on the bucks and didn't want anyone else involved.

Do I understand people who are afraid for their way of life? Of course I do. What I didn't expect, was the complete lack of ability to understand that there needed to be a common goal, to get everyone involved in trying to protect the coastal resources, providing that very way of life. Instead, it was about short term gratification, just to make a few thousand dollars right off the bat.

I am really big on doing what I say I will do. I hate it, when people promise something and don't do it. That said, I'm not going back. My current opinion is that the best course of action, would be to stop trying to placate local fisherman with short term jobs and pair experienced, local boat captains up with the professional remediation crews. Those crews know how to perform booming operations and the have vessels that are specifically designed for doing so. All they really need, are locals (the more responsible and mature ones) who know the waters and can get them to where they need to be, more efficiently.

I really believe in public service, but sometimes you are just beating your head against the wall. I choose to stop now, rather than to keep doing it, just to find out how good it feels to quit.



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solar7647

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That really sucks!! Your a better person for at least trying! It is more then most people do witch is stand around asking why someone isnt doing something rather then jumping in and donating there time for nothing more then the gratitude of making a difference!

It is a matter of saving an important resource so that it can be enjoyed by future generations and it is amazing how it was turned into being about money!

I have been watching your up-dates closely and commend you for your efforts!

My heart goes out to all the people down there that are losing there life style (again) and to those who will not be able to enjoy those waters anytime soon but still want to make a difference and help in any way but cant (like your self)

I hope they pull their heads from their back sides soon!
 

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Here is a first hand story from one of my previous students who was on the rig when the incident occurred:

Long Beach resident talks about surviving oil rig explosion


Darin Rupinski was asleep at 9:45 p.m. after a 12-hour shift on the Deepwater Horizon when the explosion rocked the oil rig on the Gulf of Mexico.
The 23-year-old Long Beach resident ran outside, looked up and saw the towering derrick surrounded by fire.
The 2008 Merchant Marine Academy graduate knew exactly what to do from his emergency training at Kings Point.
"I ran up to the bridge and grabbed some radios, a flashlight, a bullhorn and ran back down" to the lowest deck where the lifeboats were stored.
The workers were yelling and screaming. Some jumped 70 feet off the rig and into the gulf. Rupinski and his supervisor tried to create order. "I was using the bullhorn to get people to get into the boats and calm down."
After about 15 minutes, he said his supervisor's lifeboat was filled, lowered to the water and pulled away. After another 5 to 10 minutes, his own boat was filled with about 75 employees, including one who was severely injured with burns and cuts. They motored to a supply boat that was about a half-mile away.
It was 11:15 that night of April 20 before Rupinski finally climbed aboard the supply boat with the rest of the survivors. He then got his first look at the crippled rig across the water: "It was just a huge torch in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico."
Rupinski never expected to be working on an oil rig when he graduated two years ago from the academy. His plans to work as an officer aboard a merchant ship fell through, so he ended up as a "dynamic positioning operator." Rigs such as the 320-foot-tall Deepwater Horizon are not moored to the floor of the gulf, but kept in place over the oil well with thrusters - operated by workers like Lipinski.
Miles off shore, and working with oil pumped from the seabed, Deepwater Horizon might have seemed dangerous, even before the accident. But Rupinski says safety is deeply woven into the corporate cultures of Transocean, the rig's owner, and BP, which contracts it to do the drilling.
"We're filling out paperwork and doing preventive maintenance constantly," he said. "We did lifeboat drills every weekend."
Rupinski was given an indefinite leave of absence but plans to return to a Transocean rig. "With the exception of this, it's probably one of the safest jobs out there," he said.
Rupinski was not injured, but he knew the 11 of his 126 co-workers who are missing and presumed dead. He thinks he survived because his berth was far away from the derrick where the drill operated - and he credits his academy emergency training.
One of his professors, Capt. Timothy Tisch, said he was proud. "He did what he was supposed to do," Tisch said. "What we teach them in their Safety of Life at Sea course is how to be in charge of the crew during shipboard emergencies and specifically abandoning ship: mustering the crew, being a leader and keeping everybody calm and focused, and getting away from the ship."
Rupinski returned to the campus briefly Thursday to get a new military ID because all of his papers sank with Deepwater Horizon.
Rupinski would like to visit again to thank Tisch and another professor who taught his safety classes.
"I'd shake their hands and kiss their feet."


Thats what I call a real Hero!! I know I would be proud to call him a former student!
 

justchange

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This is definately a very sad thing. With the winds, there's apparently no way to control this. Plus the constant addition from the well.

I sincerely hope that there is a way found to minimize the damage this is going to do.

I commend all those who are helping in this and pray that all those helping and all those effected stay safe.


Oh, I think this would make a good 'sitcky" post for top of the section. ;)


I found this on yahoo.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100502/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

This is an excerpt from that article.


"In an exploration plan and environmental impact analysis filed with the federal government in February 2009, BP said it had the capability to handle a "worst-case scenario" at the Deepwater Horizon site, which the document described as a leak of 162,000 barrels per day from an uncontrolled blowout ? 6.8 million gallons each day."
 

Bigprairie1

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I've got to weigh in here and wish you guys the very best of luck with this thing. I've been following it on the news up here...and it isn't good news at all.:eek:
Most of all it's made me think of some of the bad luck you folks down south have had as of late, particularly in Louisiana....and I feel for you guys.
What with the hurricane, the economy meltdown stuff and now this.
It's great to see the resolve you guys have in taking it on, standing tall and hopefully getting through this.:eek:
I was glad to hear that our provincial government contacted the authorities down south and are getting ready to send some assistance on some level to help out.
Now, they are saying this is slick is well on it's to Florida...and I can't imagine Florida with an oil slick....devastating.
Again, hang in there guys...we are pulling for you!!
BP:):cool:
for those interested in a different news perspective (maybe) and some photos you check out this link on our national news (CBC)
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/01/louisiana-oil-spill.html
 

waterinthefuel

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I am not an expert in drilling, but I did once get hired to bring an E&P (exploration & production) company out of Chapter 11 bankruptcy. I went from not knowing what an "AFE" (Authority or Authorization For Expenditure) is, to running the daily affairs of the U.S. division of a U.K. company, pretty quickly.

Based on that experience, here's my take on the situation.



One bit of information that is being heard locally, is that the BOP does not have a feature that allows it to be engaged from the rig. Some BOPs have this capability, some do not. Apparently, there is about a $500,000 difference in cost, between those that have this capability and those that do not. I'm going to end my discussion of this issue at this point, because I don't want to get into the blame game thing, in this thread. It simply "is what it is," if this is true.


As it stands, this incident will affect every one of us. Once again, I'm going to leave my comment at that, but its worth thinking about.
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Don't worry, it's not. This is totally incorrect information. My father works for the Minerals Management Service and is in charge of inspecting these offshore platforms. That rig had 2, or maybe 3 stations around it where hitting a single button would shut down the BOP immediately. The $500,000 figure that is being tossed around is simply for a remote operated shut off system that has been untested and unproven and pushed by a private company looking for profits. It was BY NO MEANS a "proven piece of equipment that BP decided not to install for greedy reasons" as I have recently read on the 'net.

I'm trying to circulate through my forums and clean up the rumors, but this is turning out to be a full time job.

I'd be happy to answer anyone's questions that they have about this rig. The information you get on the internet is mostly false rumors. I have connections and access to a lot of information that most Americans don't have.
 
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Don't worry, it's not. This is totally incorrect information. My father works for the Minerals Management Service and is in charge of inspecting these offshore platforms. That rig had 2, or maybe 3 stations around it where hitting a single button would shut down the BOP immediately. The $500,000 figure that is being tossed around is simply for a remote operated shut off system that has been untested and unproven and pushed by a private company looking for profits. It was BY NO MEANS a "proven piece of equipment that BP decided not to install for greedy reasons" as I have recently read on the 'net.

I'm trying to circulate through my forums and clean up the rumors, but this is turning out to be a full time job.

I'd be happy to answer anyone's questions that they have about this rig. The information you get on the internet is mostly false rumors. I have connections and access to a lot of information that most Americans don't have.
I guess the news report that said other countries require the extra safety measure is all wrong. I thought the experts on TV knew what they were talking about....Anyway BP better pay every dime back it cost and they better get some soap and start washing down OUR poor animals.....NOW
 

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I had a very disappointing day today.

Soon there after, I found myself being questioned by multiple people as to why I was there, essentially because I was an "outsider." I volunteered my time, my boat and my money to help "neighbors," with no expectation of being paid. What was revealed during the initial training, however, was that we would be paid and paid quite a lot. Once that information was released, it became like a pack of sharks in a pool of chum, engaged in a feeding frenzy. The locals, simply put, were hell bent on getting in on the bucks and didn't want anyone else involved.

I really believe in public service, but sometimes you are just beating your head against the wall. I choose to stop now, rather than to keep doing it, just to find out how good it feels to quit.

That said, I'm not going back. ???
I was expecting your next post to be totally different then this one.

How sad.:(:mad:
 

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I had a very disappointing day today. I got up at 5 am, called the command center in a neighboring Parish and received confirmation that the call I missed last night, was for me to show up for booming activities.

When I got to the training session, there seemed to be lots of confusion as to who would be working and who wouldn't. Basically, they wanted the folks selected, to have been pre-registered. After a safety training session, which was interrupted multiple times, we were broken up into groups and directed to report to a remote location for further training. That never happened.

Soon there after, I found myself being questioned by multiple people as to why I was there, essentially because I was an "outsider." I volunteered my time, my boat and my money to help "neighbors," with no expectation of being paid. What was revealed during the initial training, however, was that we would be paid and paid quite a lot. Once that information was released, it became like a pack of sharks in a pool of chum, engaged in a feeding frenzy. The locals, simply put, were hell bent on getting in on the bucks and didn't want anyone else involved.

Do I understand people who are afraid for their way of life? Of course I do. What I didn't expect, was the complete lack of ability to understand that there needed to be a common goal, to get everyone involved in trying to protect the coastal resources, providing that very way of life. Instead, it was about short term gratification, just to make a few thousand dollars right off the bat.

I am really big on doing what I say I will do. I hate it, when people promise something and don't do it. That said, I'm not going back. My current opinion is that the best course of action, would be to stop trying to placate local fisherman with short term jobs and pair experienced, local boat captains up with the professional remediation crews. Those crews know how to perform booming operations and the have vessels that are specifically designed for doing so. All they really need, are locals (the more responsible and mature ones) who know the waters and can get them to where they need to be, more efficiently.

I really believe in public service, but sometimes you are just beating your head against the wall. I choose to stop now, rather than to keep doing it, just to find out how good it feels to quit.

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It looks like no good deed shall go unpunished.:mad:
 

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It was BY NO MEANS a "proven piece of equipment that BP decided not to install for greedy reasons" as I have recently read on the 'net.

I've tried to keep this thread away from blame issues, because that is something that can only cause distraction at this point, but I feel a need to say that I don't think that BP is necessarily the entity that bears responsibility for this situation. Time and investigation might prove me wrong, but I am not leaning in that direction.

BP, as the E&P company engaged a drilling contractor, along with many other oilfield service companies. Once again, my time in the drilling business was relatively short and I am no expert, but I've been in the middle of it enough to know the general process. In particular, I'm sure that BP selected companies to perform services based upon price, experience and past, successful outcomes. Most importantly, BP did not drill the well, provide mud for the drilling, log it, or temporarily shut it in, pending installation of the necessary pipelines, etc., to produce from it. They also did not select contractors haphazardly. The firms that they used have been long known in the business and have been involved in the completion of tens of thousands of wells, worldwide.

My drilling experience is all onshore, so there are differences in how things are done. As to the remote capability to trigger a BOP, I can only pass on what has been reported. Time will reveal what is true and what is not true. I'll also point out, that I'm not sure that BP would have been the party, that would have made the decision to use or not use this gear, even if it is proven technology.

Further, as of about a day ago, focus is beginning to form on Halliburton, which was the company that was involved in cementing the well. They have apparently had some problems in the past and there are specific questions about frozen methane pockets, which sometimes are thawed from heat generated by curing cement. The bottom line, however, is that no one really knows what happened at this point. Halliburton could as easily be of no blame whatsoever, as they could be the "causal entity."

Exactly what happened, why it happened and who was responsible, are not key questions for the moment. At some point, they will be, but not right now. What must take priority, is to try to get the flow of oil/gas shutdown and to protect the environment as best we can.



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I don't see blame game stuff here. Looks like good fact gathering :cool:
 

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I was expecting your next post to be totally different then this one.

How sad.:(:mad:


It looks like no good deed shall go unpunished.:mad:


It certainly was not what I expected either. What annoys me the most about what I experienced, is that the focus of the people involved, was not on protection of the natural resource - it was on themselves.

First, the water bottoms and marshes in the affected areas, do not belong to the people of the nearest Parish. Whether those people simply fish the waters involved, or even have state leases for the harvesting of oysters, they don't own the resource. Unless under federal jurisdiction, which I don't believe is true of the areas involved, the State of Louisiana is the owner and that means that all of the people of Louisiana are the owners.

What was thrown in my face all day yesterday was, "mine, mine, mine," like a bunch of spoiled brat toddlers. They expressed no concern at all, for anyone else who might be impacted. There was not one iota of concern about the economic impact beyond themselves, which actually dwarfs the impact to the immediate community - no concern for wholesalers outside of the area, no concern for retail marketers, restaurants packing companies, etc. These people never even asked me if I would be economically impacted. Simply put, I wan't one of them, so it didn't matter to them.

Maybe I have what an old boss of mine used to call "stinkin thinkin," but at this point, I really don't give a damn about the fishermen that I encountered. I care about the resource. I care about the generations of kids who will not grow up learning to love nature and its bounty, in this particular area. I care about the people, who can see beyond a paycheck for a month or so and realize that the viewpoints and efforts have to focus on the long term.



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Jay,
your thinkin is not stinkin, you're a good man and certainly have my respect.
Their are greedy, self centered idiots in all walks of life, I have no time for them either.
 

waterinthefuel

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If you can be arrested for not being successful when murdering someone, I think Jay deserves to be arrested for being a great citizen. Although he didn't do anything, he sure did try!

Nothing like Louisianians taking care of business when the going gets tough. Representing our state well. Thanks for trying.
 

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It looks like the provincial goverment will be putting together a special response team plus many 1000snd feet of booming material.
They just need the go ahead from the US gov.
 

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I still have a lot of unanswered questions.
I was wondering if someone could clarify for me.

1. How far along was the drilling? Were they still drilling?

2. Did they have production pipe cemented in place when this happened?

3. What diameter of pipe are they using for surface pipe, and production pipe?

To all that are helping with the spill. "Thank You"
 

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They did a test burn yesterday afternoon. The burn area is ignited by setting a flammable piece of boom on fire and letting it drift into the burn area. The burn area is surround with fire resistent boom, to keep it contained. Further and more extensive burns are planned.

Here is more info on volunteering. To my knowledge, this information is in regard to areas in southeastern Louisiana and southwestern Misssissippi. If I find out otherwise, I'll repost.


Volunteer your vessel


All people with vessels who want to help with the deployment of booms or in any way they can are asked to call 425-745-8017.




Be prepared to give the dimensions and specs of your boat and your location when you call.

Or you can use the following email to volunteer to help deploy booms:
vince.mitchell@lamor.com
grant.johnson@bp.com

To report oiled or injured wildlife,
please call 1-866-557-1401.

To report oil on land, or for general Community and Volunteer Information,
please call 1-866-448-5816.




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God Bless you and the volunteers.

I grew up Southern Louisiana and enjoyed shrimping, crabbing and fishing. This is going have a major impact on wildlife on the Gulf coast from years to come. Fishing, shrimping, crabbing, oysters, ducks, and all migratory birds will be effected as well. The economy of the hard working people along the coast will be greatly affected.


Again, thanks for your efforts, Sir!!!!

cajuncook1
 
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