Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

I take it back... I was explaining it correctly.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

I take it back... I was explaining it correctly.

Your just upset that you can not come up with one outboard MFG that reccomends against or forbids the use of synthetic oils for break in....:$
I think a "your correct" is in order.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

You win. I was completely wrong. I have no knowledge of outboards. I have never worked for an outboard manufacturer. Out of the six current outboard manufacturers I have never been an authorized dealer for five of them. I don't speak with outboard design engineers on a regular basis. I don't speak with outboard manufacturer service reps daily. And national service managers for outboard manufacturers never call me to ask for advice. Outboard techs that I have never heard of don't ever call me for advice about outboards. And of course the last 40 years that I have been working in the marine industry have never once put me in the position of knowing more than a guy who buys engines 15 at a time. Upset....No, but I am wondering why someone would completely disregard a manufacturers break-in instructions...and then brag about it...While at the same time using the manufactuer owners manual as proof of what you should or should not use. Bizarre.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

Well, I've got to say that is "well said", and I, for one, respect your knowledge and have seen you in action, so I know....
If there are any responses to this, it better be with respect for the good of the forum.
Consider this "advance" warning, or the good.....and the bad of this post will be gone....as in "pooof".....

bwalker..it's been explained why the manufactures have syn oil to use....the newer DFI's REQUIRE it, but it's NOT the only oil they have.
I'll stay out from now on, I have nothing more to add of useful content.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

Why is it so hard to admit that not one Outboard MFG says not to use synthetics for break in.
Kenny, I dont know if you are aware or not but many TCW3 oils are partially synthetic now days wether they are labeled as such or not. Synthetic PIB's are used instead of bright stock as it helps with visable smoke and deposits.

 

[BillP]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

:}

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

"Kenny, I dont know if you are aware or not but many TCW3 oils are partially synthetic now days wether they are labeled as such or not. Synthetic PIB's are used instead of bright stock as it helps with visable smoke and deposits."

It's hard to type words on a screen and expect someone to understand "how" you are trying to say something.
When I seen your reply as "I don't know if you are aware, But"...I laughed because there is no way for you to understand any one persons experience level, just by what they type.....
What I'm "trying" to say, is you don't know that we were a Johnson dealer for 22yrs, you don't know that I am an "AI", you don't have any way to know I specialize in Turbine engines, you have no idea the fact I've been trained in 2 outboard manufactures, I;ve been factory certified on 3 small engine manufacturers, not only as tech, but Master tech (advanced level).
You know nothing about anyone's experience, you just seem to assume you know more....maybe you do, I don't know....But, I can tell you in all of the J/E carbed 2-stroke manuals I happen to have at the house here, they DO state NOT to run synthetic oil during the break-in period, and the list of oils that can be used.
I should also note, the XD series of oils all have "some" synthetic base, but the number behind the XD has Nothing to do with the amount of synthetic, which happens to be only 5% in one of those oils.
Continue doing things the way they work for you, I'll follow my own ideas....

 

[Bwalker]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

systems.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

I might also point out that you do not know what my back ground education and work experiance is. I assure you I havent been in my current line of work forever.
I never ASSumed I knew more than anyone else about this subject. I have stated that no owners manual for Merc or yam outboard says to not use synthetic oils for break in and I am 100% correct. Why cant you just admit this? Further if synthetics during break in was such a huge problem dont you think that the OEMS would state such in a manual that the end user actually reads, instead of putting it in a service manual(if that indeed is true) that almost no end user reads?
As for your manuals. Which manuals specificly are you talking about? What page, etc?
I dont have any clue about the percentages of synthetic componenents in the XD line of oils. I do know that Yamalube 2m is about 25% synthetic.
BTW I caught a 35" Eye last night. no pics as the cam battery was dead. I know, I know.....

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

"ASSumed"

That's a nice addition...
Let's clarify one thing....Are we talking about CARBED 2 -strokes, or DFI 2-strokes?

 

[Bwalker]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

I am talking about carbed two strokes, but the same applies to DFI's as well.
Before you come back with" they are totaly differant designs". Yes, they are but they still use the same cylinder coatings, piston and ring materials etc.
Take Tohatsu for instance. Their DFI outboards are very clossly based on their traditional carbed ones.
My point of this whole excercise is to say synthetic oils are not some magical potion that totaly prevents engine wear(or break in). They have certain properties that are superior to mineral oils and some downsides as well. They are formulated into many outboard oils today, and the MFG are well aware of this. In fact the majority of the factory oils contain some synthetic base oils. They do not hinder break in(in theory or reality) or the MFG would spec a special non synthetic break in oil.

 

[walleyehed]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

I'm not coming back with anything...
I know what works and what doesn't.
If it don't work in the same manner for you, then great! That means more than 1 way will work for everything...problem solved.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

I'm not coming back with anything...
I know what works and what doesn't.

I do as well.
Off to catch some more Eye's.

 

[pecheux]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

Well guys y'awl know by now that I am not a 'by the book' man and that I like to experiment. My first post says it all. (LOL)

Now I got my Force 15hp back from the shop and after complaining about Quicksilver oil fume and smell, and then writing that Amsoil did no improvement on that Force engine I just had to try another brand.

Based on what I read in other forums I decided to try the Walmart 2000 outboard oil. Yes as others have mentioned it does look and smell like Quicksilver ... but I suspect it has different additives, which is basicaly the main difference between brands anyways.

Result ... that Force 15hp never ran better and produced less smoke, and less exhaust smell. I am happy with the result. I read a lot about Penzoil synthetic and would give it a try , but I cant find it my region.

I also noticed the water coming out of the pump was warmer then when I used Amsoil HPI, could this mean this engine (Force) like to run hotter thus does a better job in eliminating oil residues when using basic Tc-w3 oil ? (just a tought)

Now you all get out there and listen .... you'll be able to ear bwalker laughts for miles around ... LOL LOL

Cheers y'awl





Result

 

[rickdb1boat]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

Good to see you're keeping your sense of humor........

 

[cobra 3.0]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

8) That's what I use in my outboards! Works just fine and you can't beat the price...although I am now trying the Amsoil Interceptor in my 2 stroke Polaris 350L quad/ATV. I was using Walmart's air cooled 2 stroke oil and I am curious if this synthetic oil will reduce the smoking...especially at start up. I'll find out this weekend.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

Im laughing all right....:%

 

[pecheux]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

cobra3 : was using Walmart's air cooled 2 stroke oil and I am curious if this synthetic oil will reduce the smoking...especially at start up. I'll find out this weekend.
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Cobra3; seems to me every type of motors have their preference and must be experimented.

Cheers

 

[pecheux]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

bwalker: I thought you'd get a kick out of this one ... LOL

Cheers

 

[pecheux]

Re: Mfg oil vs Synthetic for breaking in

cobra 3.0 : Just found information regarding this Force 15hp ... seems it would have less than 10 hours of usage which may explain why it did not respond well to the Amsoil HPI ... and why it would perform better with Walmart 2000 petroleum oil ... for the moment.

I also want to have engine smoking to a minimum since I sit there beside the motor (tiler) and troll for hours.

I ll give this engine a full thank of regular oil at as much WOT as possible and will try the HPI again later. Just did 25 miles this week for a starter.