chevy vs. dodge

[SuperNova]

Re: chevy vs. dodge

Haven't seen a nice ford yet

Me, either!!

 

[SuperNova]

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oop, no poser here.
listening to that cummins is much like listening to a harley, it's just so da*n sweet.
don't care about public opinion. no poser.

Come on!! Cummins and Harleys?? You must be either a down and dirty Good ol' boy or a Banker type. j/k

 

[This_lil_fishy]

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Come on!! Cummins and Harleys?? You must be either a down and dirty Good ol' boy or a Banker type. j/k

Lols, beat me too it. Just wondering what kinda person still enjoys that air cooled lawnmower v-twin anymore. LOLS!


If I was going diesel I'd definately go GM or Dodge, more likely dodge, but I think it's GM that's got the allison tranny....I just can't stand GM's electrical gremlins. As for Dodge trannies, it's tough for me to say, we haven't replace one yet (other then the Jeep, but that's a long unrelated story caused by a bad Catalytic converter!). Our tranny shop though swears that he despises all Dodge trannies as they cause him no end of warranty grief. He drives a Ford BTW! I always say, buy what the mechanic drives...cause a mechanic spends all day fixing other cars and the last thing in the world he wants to do is to fix his own!

You likely can't find any nice fords cause people don't try to sell them. They keep them until they are done with them! Not sure where the other poster is basing is 5.4 vs. 4.6 comparison. Both good engines in my book, but the 4.6 just doesn't have the grunt for a truck. The 5.4 HAD problems 04-06 with plugs seizing in the heads due to poor head and plug design. The replacement plugs solved that problem though, so other then that not sure.


Ian

 

[alumi numb]

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Come on!! Cummins and Harleys?? You must be either a down and dirty Good ol' boy or a Banker type. j/k

just a crusty ole fart that worked in steel mills for 40 years, half union half management.
had a real hemi once, 66 dodge cheap coronet two door sedan dual quad street hemi 727.
had a 68 amx 390 four speed modified offy 360 dual port holley double pumper doug thorley headers crane cam and lifter kit.
when my son was in iraq he was asking me how the amx was, one day.
i asked him if he wanted it, his reply was he** yes!
i told him all you have to do is come home alive and it's yours, good deal i think.
now sets in his garage, 55k miles no rust and original paint.
just enjoy the sound of legenday engines, vdub, round airplane engines, allison, porsche, big v8's, steam engines, old jaguars, model t's and a's and those so sweet ole flat heads.
totally can not stand todays four banger fart can engines but love the sound of a subaru wrx.
well that's way off subject isn't it.

 

[Antares2000]

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This old *** debate will never end....I now pull my 17' boat with a 09 Silverado with every possible tow option. I could probably drag my house around with it. I love it....but its because I always liked the Chevy looks. Im sure Dodge and Ford would pull it with no issues. This is an argument without an ending....
But I find it interesting nonetheless

 

[mrdancer]

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Listen, I have absolutely no interest in gettin in an arguement with you, but I don't mind having a nice discussion. I read your post and some of the stuff you said was close enough, but some of it is old ways of thinking and some of it just doesn't make any sense to me at all.

Like I said, I don't know much about the newer transmissions, I lost track of them about 15 years ago. What I do know is that the A904 became the A500 and the A727 became the A518, then both of those later became 4x-RH (h for hydraulically-controlled) and then 4x-RE (e for electronically-controlled) where the x designates the size/strength of the tranny with a larger x inferring heavier duty. After that, I lost track of them, had better things to do.

The shift kit and other mods came from a well-respected Mopar tranny guru. Those apply to at least the A500/A518 and their predecessors, not sure about their descendants. There was also talk of replacing a quart of tranny fluid with straight 30wt. because the tranny fluid had very little in the way of lubricating properties, relatively speaking.

One thing is for certain. The trannys can be modified to handle greater loads. After all, the drag racers used modified A904s behind the 440 6-pack (with an adapter) cars because they were a tenth quicker in the quarter.

Again, go with a manual and you won't have to worry about it.

 

[Bigprairie1]

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What an interesting thread....really brings everyones tastes out in the open on this issue, so I may as well wade in.
If you want durability, quality, ride, power, resale, looks, comfort and reliability get a GM...otherwise buy a Ford or a Dodge
Seriously, its pretty much impossible to get a lemon these days. All things considered they are all very good.
Choose what you personally like and try to get a well maintained example of it.
BP

 

[salty87]

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you can always tell a truck is a dodge...noisiest ones on the road, inside and out.

 

[Pontuned]

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Like I said, I don't know much about the newer transmissions, I lost track of them about 15 years ago. What I do know is that the A904 became the A500 and the A727 became the A518, then both of those later became 4x-RH (h for hydraulically-controlled) and then 4x-RE (e for electronically-controlled) where the x designates the size/strength of the tranny with a larger x inferring heavier duty. After that, I lost track of them, had better things to do.

The shift kit and other mods came from a well-respected Mopar tranny guru. Those apply to at least the A500/A518 and their predecessors, not sure about their descendants. There was also talk of replacing a quart of tranny fluid with straight 30wt. because the tranny fluid had very little in the way of lubricating properties, relatively speaking.

One thing is for certain. The trannys can be modified to handle greater loads. After all, the drag racers used modified A904s behind the 440 6-pack (with an adapter) cars because they were a tenth quicker in the quarter.

Again, go with a manual and you won't have to worry about it.

The electronic overdrive Torqueflite 904 is the 42RE, the 727 version is the 46RE. The reason the A500 and A518's typically died was the overdrive section overheated and failed, they changed the gear pitch form 15 degrees to 22 degrees and it helped. The other regular failures were the reverse servo would **** and jam in the bore or the intermediate band would burn. The later RE versions eliminated the governor and utilized a Governor sensor and solenoid to regulate the shift points and pressure. This caused many of the failures in the later units.

The latest versions of the Chrylser trans family include the 45RFE (99 & up Gr Cherokee, Dakota, Ram) and the Chrylser version of the 722.6 mercedes unit (magnum, Hemi Ram, late Gr Cherokees). These are good units but around the 75- 100K mark the 45RFE can develop solenoid problems and the 722.6 units have planetary issues and they also have leak issues around the case connector. I think the 45RFE trans is the best medium duty unit Dodge has ever made. Nice simple design premise that has used for years in the caravans for years only it is beefed up in the 45RFE.

 

[alumi numb]

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well as long as we this far off base here's thought for kind of a neat truck.
find a worth dodge gen1 xcab preferably with the 12 valve.
now all i have ever seen had 8' beds.
shorten the frame for a 6' bed, a step side would be nice.
now you have kind of a xcab lil red wagon thing going on.
just felt it would make an eye catching truck.

 

[hvachillbilly]

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i believe that they all make good ones and lemons but dependability depends on maintenance of any good truck i had a 03 dodge with a six cyl and pulled my 21 pontoon all over with no problem except for going up mountains little slow now i pull w/ o4 dodge with hemi no problems with that engine

 

[SuperNova]

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The electronic overdrive Torqueflite 904 is the 42RE, the 727 version is the 46RE. The reason the A500 and A518's typically died was the overdrive section overheated and failed, they changed the gear pitch form 15 degrees to 22 degrees and it helped. The other regular failures were the reverse servo would **** and jam in the bore or the intermediate band would burn. The later RE versions eliminated the governor and utilized a Governor sensor and solenoid to regulate the shift points and pressure. This caused many of the failures in the later units.

The latest versions of the Chrylser trans family include the 45RFE (99 & up Gr Cherokee, Dakota, Ram) and the Chrylser version of the 722.6 mercedes unit (magnum, Hemi Ram, late Gr Cherokees). These are good units but around the 75- 100K mark the 45RFE can develop solenoid problems and the 722.6 units have planetary issues and they also have leak issues around the case connector. I think the 45RFE trans is the best medium duty unit Dodge has ever made. Nice simple design premise that has used for years in the caravans for years only it is beefed up in the 45RFE.

Pretty good info, I'd just make two additional statements. In addition to the 46 re, there is also a 47RE and a 48RE which are used behind the Hemi in a 3500 and any cummins respectively. Also, we never used the Nag (what you call the 722.6) in any of the Dodge trucks to my knowledge. You also left out the 42rle trans.

 

[Pontuned]

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Pretty good info, I'd just make two additional statements. In addition to the 46 re, there is also a 47RE and a 48RE which are used behind the Hemi in a 3500 and any cummins respectively. Also, we never used the Nag (what you call the 722.6) in any of the Dodge trucks to my knowledge. You also left out the 42rle trans.

The 42RLE is basically a RWD 41TE....light duty. I didn't mention the 47 is because it is essentially the same design as the 46, only with stronger drivetrain components and increased clutch capacity. I haven't seen the NAG in a P/U (have only seen the 45RFE) but i thought they were in the Hemi P/U's since the magnums had them.... I stand corrected.

I feel like I need a ski mask.......I am officially a thread hijacker.

 

[SuperNova]

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The 42RLE is basically a RWD 41TE....light duty. I didn't mention the 47 is because it is essentially the same design as the 46, only with stronger drivetrain components and increased clutch capacity. I haven't seen the NAG in a P/U (have only seen the 45RFE) but i thought they were in the Hemi P/U's since the magnums had them.... I stand corrected.

I feel like I need a ski mask.......I am officially a thread hijacker.

You're either a Dodge fan, trans mech, or ????? Very good info.... for a pontoon owner. j/k

 

[IVAZ]

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You likely can't find any nice fords cause people don't try to sell them. They keep them until they are done with them! Not sure where the other poster is basing is 5.4 vs. 4.6 comparison. Both good engines in my book, but the 4.6 just doesn't have the grunt for a truck. The 5.4 HAD problems 04-06 with plugs seizing in the heads due to poor head and plug design. The replacement plugs solved that problem though, so other then that not sure.


Ian

Not sure if you?re talking about me. If you are, the comparison comes from personal experience. The company I worked at bought 2004 F150's when they were new. Many of them had to have their engines replaced. According to the dealer it was because we would let them idle too long and the engine couldn?t lubricate itself properly. Funny thing is that we also bought Chevies at the same time. The Chevies had no issues and were treated the same way.
When we evacuated for hurricane Rita everyone let their vehicles idle for long periods of time. Plenty of new Fords crapped out trying to evacuate. My personal 2004 F150 developed a "knock" in that trip. It only had 45,000 miles on it. The knock got worse by the end of the week. I?m not a Ford hater by any stretch. I sold the POS truck and bought a boat and a Ford Bronco.

BTW, my dad has exclusively driven Chevies. He cant remember of a single vehicle he had that was troubled by "electrical gremlins".

 

[Gary H NC]

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DANG!! This thread is still going?

Did i mention Dodge transmissions suck! Had a 2006 Dually with 47k on the clock and the tranny was toast.We had over 10 of these trucks in the fleet and about 6 of them had trans problems...
We also had about 15 Chevy Dually trucks with the Allison...No problems!

The Dodge rides like a tank compared to the Chevy...
Dodge seats suck.Try riding coast to coast in one and see.
The Chevy was WAY more comfy!
All these trucks were the top of the line with every option they had available.
Chevy hands down!

My last one was an 2008 Chevy with the Bully Dog system on it.
I could outrun about anything light to light...
Love melting those dual wheels....Could do burn outs with a 48 foot car hauler hooked to it..

 

[Pontuned]

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You're either a Dodge fan, trans mech, or ????? Very good info.... for a pontoon owner. j/k

Yeah, I do trans work. I am guessing you are a tech at a Chrysler dealership?

 

[Pontuned]

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DANG!! This thread is still going?

Did i mention Dodge transmissions suck! Had a 2006 Dually with 47k on the clock and the tranny was toast.We had over 10 of these trucks in the fleet and about 6 of them had trans problems...
We also had about 15 Chevy Dually trucks with the Allison...No problems!

The Dodge rides like a tank compared to the Chevy...
Dodge seats suck.Try riding coast to coast in one and see.
The Chevy was WAY more comfy!
All these trucks were the top of the line with every option they had available.
Chevy hands down!

My last one was an 2008 Chevy with the Bully Dog system on it.
I could outrun about anything light to light...
Love melting those dual wheels....Could do burn outs with a 48 foot car hauler hooked to it..

I agree, the Duramax setup w/ the Allison T1000's on the '06 and up HD's are the nuts. If I can swing one next year when my SUV is paid for I am gonna spring for it. I don't, however, recommend the Bully dog setups on them. I have seen what this mod did to a '03 HD, the trans went out twice in a relatively short period of time. They make the engine scream but the pressure reg on the trans went haywire for some reason.

 

[Gary H NC]

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I agree, the Duramax setup w/ the Allison T1000's on the '06 and up HD's are the nuts. If I can swing one next year when my SUV is paid for I am gonna spring for it. I don't, however, recommend the Bully dog setups on them. I have seen what this mod did to a '03 HD, the trans went out twice in a relatively short period of time. They make the engine scream but the pressure reg on the trans went haywire for some reason.

Yep,They were Company trucks and they installed the Bully Dog on some and the SuperChips Tuner on others for testing.
They ended up going to all SuperChip tuners.We got them free for testing.
The Superchips were a more plug and play and still cranked out the power.
We got the K&N intakes free too...

 

[SuperNova]

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Yeah, I do trans work. I am guessing you are a tech at a Chrysler dealership?

Nope, tech at an EX-Chrysler dealership.