1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

[InMotion]

Re: 1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

Isn't that when you introduce the kids to the fun of keelhauling? :doh:

Yah... they didn't go for it!

J.

 

[barato2]

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harumph! just no discipline among kids these days......:whip:

 

[InMotion]

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Bump...

Ok guys... I've hit the preverbal wall... not sure where to go from here or how to make this one work.

Having tiller thoughts...

J.

 

[jbcurt00]

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'Sup?

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

'Sup?

Slowly going crazy trying to figure out how to make the console look sharp, functional and be able to actually do it.

Priced out nautolux and vinyl for the boat.... over $700! Yikes....

Truth: I cannot figure out how to put vinyl on that console and make it look good.... it's both sides of the legs and the curved "back" that is really throwing me off... stared at it for an hour tonight... threw around a bunch of ideas came close to working it out... but not quite. Even had wood like I normally do back on the dash face and man there are a lot of angles, curves and intersecting pieces. I can start over....but I like how it looks, but just cannot get the finished product worked out.

Reaching out here...

Jim

 

[jbcurt00]

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You want the large turtle back curve of the console padded w/ vinyl, correct?

Treat it like an upholstery project. Thinner multi layer plywood skin to make the curve, cover w/ sheet foam, cover that w/ plastic, lay the vinyl over it, pull it down to the deck, up over to the console face, and along each side evenly drawing it tight, making slits as needed to match curve and staple it down close to the edge. Trim the vinyl off just past the staples.

You could even run the plywood up on the gauge 'hump' that currently sticks up past the top of the cedar in your last console pix

Make sense ^^^?

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

You want the large turtle back curve of the console padded w/ vinyl, correct?

Treat it like an upholstery project. Thinner multi layer plywood skin to make the curve, cover w/ sheet foam, cover that w/ plastic, lay the vinyl over it, pull it down to the deck, up over to the console face, and along each side evenly drawing it tight, making slits as needed to match curve and staple it down close to the edge. Trim the vinyl off just past the staples.

You could even run the plywood up on the gauge 'hump' that currently sticks up past the top of the cedar in your last console pix

Make sense ^^^?

Yup... just the issue is how to conceal the staples....?

Also, I am considering getting 3 pieces of thin gauge alum cut to cover the outsides of the console and the curved hood. It will cost maybe $10.00.... The dash face would go wood as usual as well as that but that is just above the cedar in that pic you cited.

See normally, I just carpet the sides and then have a piece of wood like in my avatar cut out to give a nice look to the side panels --- straightforward for me and inexpensive. Total cost: maybe $20 bucks a side -- Total Cost = $40 no shipping. Vinyl is interesting to me --- but it is near as makes no difference $20.00 a yard. So for both sides I am going to need about 3 yards + the wood. Total cost: $90 + shipping.

It's what to do with the console that is bugging me... it should be consistent with the sides (I think anyways!). But it gets tricky with trying to conceal staples etc. and make it look good and not made in junior johnson's wood shed!

Hmmmmmmmm.....

So to summarize:

Opt 1:
Carpet on the sides with the wood inlay like normal. Alum on the sides and top of the console with wood face. Cheap and cheerful.

Opt 2:
Vinyl on sides and wood inlay. Vinyl on the console and wood face. Sides is straightforward but console is trickier as far as I can tell.

Opt 3:
Tiller.

Opt 4:
Open for discussion....

J.

 

[jbcurt00]

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Yup... just the issue is how to conceal the staples....?

Piping in a complimentary accent color, run right up along the actual vertical edge where the stapled vinyl starts to roll over to the top sides and stapled on the down side of the piping.

This also gives you a hard edge to follow when you make side panels, constructed exactly like Dozer's gunwale side panels. Ply backer w/ thru bolts. You probably need at least 2 along the top curve portion of the side panel, and 1 midway down the fore & aft edge of the console side.

Give me a few to see if I can find a pix of something similar...

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

Piping in a complimentary accent color, run right up along the actual vertical edge where the stapled vinyl starts to roll over to the top sides and stapled on the down side of the piping.

This also gives you a hard edge to follow when you make side panels, constructed exactly like Dozer's gunwale side panels. Ply backer w/ thru bolts. You probably need at least 2 along the top curve portion of the side panel, and 1 midway down the fore & aft edge of the console side.

Give me a few to see if I can find a pix of something similar...

Ok...

Interesting thought... so make a panel that attaches to the side of the console then...?

How about the front edges of the console and the panel?

 

[jbcurt00]

Re: 1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

Ok...

Interesting thought... so make a panel that attaches to the side of the console then...?

How about the front edges of the console and the panel?

Yes, the large white panel ^^^ is a seperate panel, held on w/ thru bolts like Dozer did his gunwale panels. 4, 5 bolts would probably do it, but more would help the panel hold it's shape better. Actual upholstered piece could probably be made w/ 3/8" plywood. The piping stapled to the back of it, just showing around the edge of the panel, rather then covering the staples from the top vinyl being pulled over the edge would look better if the panel stays flat, and hides those staples.

To hide the staples better the piping should probably be stapled onto the console, like I suggested earlier.

The blue/light gray lines around the console gauge face, thin stock aluminum, w/ screws every so often. It should be soft enough to match the curve from vertical down under the dash, along the bottom of the dash, and across the top.

I've been taking the Jas graphic rendering online class nites ^^^^

 

[InMotion]

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Yes, the large white panel ^^^ is a seperate panel, held on w/ thru bolts like Dozer did his gunwale panels. 4, 5 bolts would probably do it, but more would help the panel hold it's shape better. Actual upholstered piece could probably be made w/ 3/8" plywood. The piping stapled to the back of it, just showing around the edge of the panel, rather then covering the staples from the top vinyl being pulled over the edge would look better if the panel stays flat, and hides those staples.

To hide the staples better the piping should probably be stapled onto the console, like I suggested earlier.

The blue/light gray lines around the console gauge face, thin stock aluminum, w/ screws every so often. It should be soft enough to match the curve from vertical down under the dash, along the bottom of the dash, and across the top.

I've been taking the Jas graphic rendering online class nites ^^^^

Nice there JB! Thanks man... ok....I'll put the tiller on hold for now...!

Check out this stuff --- called gimp.
http://www.jtstopshop.com/products/...ubcategory=204&size=0&search=&scBrand=0&page=

J.

 

[jbcurt00]

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It may seem like more work, but having the upholstered panels seperate from the console, should be easier to upholster.

You could do the top 1st, add piping, then cut a piece of vinyl for the side, lay it upside down on the topside, and staple the vinyl down to the edge, then flip it back over it's self. Sort of like how Glen got the 3 seperate bands of vinyl on his side panels. Stapled on upside down 1st then flipped over to be face side out....

 

[dozerII]

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My mind ins not working to well yet, but I think if you applied the vinyl to the front first stapling it around the sides, then apply the vinyl piping beading to the side facing forward, then make your side panel to cover all the staple work like jb is saying. Don't know if that made sense. Here's a link to the vinyl trim I use, if the color you need is black I can send you some.
Embossed Cushion Welt - 100 yard roll

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

Thank-you JB and Glen! Your help has been fantastic in getting me back on track!

Ok, so early this am, this is what happened:

First, last night I did this:


Then early this am I got the curve done:




Then after marking the stringers on the side of the hull and the doubler position on the floor, I started this:


I also did a proper take off for materials --- vinyl, foam etc.

One change to the design, no bench seat at the side of the console. Gonna leave that wide open and incorporate a seat on either side of the boat just in front of the console for the kids. This way I can cut the front platform and use one piece of wood and supports. Less weight and complexity. The seats will be padded as well as a back rest.

Also chatted early this am with a merc motor guy for the Merc 500 --- will need a new LU, possibly a shift shaft and he is going to go through the electrical and test it all. Should be able to get it all going and have it be reliable --- at least as any 50 yr old motor can be. Short term goal is to put a new motor on.... but man are they heavy!

That's it for now.

Have a great one fellas!

Jim

 

[jasoutside]

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You are certainly thinking outside the box on this one Jim, no doubt, she's going to be cool!:encouragement:

 

[barato2]

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man are they heavy! maybe add a knee brace or 2, or beef the existing one while you have boat gutted so you can hang a 4 stroke down the road?

 

[Weep'n Willy]

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Now that is an unique console!! Looks great.

 

[GA_Boater]

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Your console is looking like the pilot station in the Enterprise. Got a place for dilithium crystals?

It appears you could build some storage into it. Can't wait to see it all dressed out.

 

[jbcurt00]

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looks great

BTW: We are talking about carbon fiber sheet vinyl w/ little or no foam behind it for the gauge panel, correct? Not really an upholstered panel w/ foam like the curved back & the sides, right?

 

[InMotion]

Re: 1960's Falcon Rebuild (New Title)

looks great

BTW: We are talking about carbon fiber sheet vinyl w/ little or no foam behind it for the gauge panel, correct? Not really an upholstered panel w/ foam like the curved back & the sides, right?

Thanks JB...

Ahh... actually, the dash is going to be real wood, just like the other two boats. The rest of the console is going to be vinyl with 1/4" foam. The wood in this craft is "accent" --- dash face, side pc's (like in the Jet and Jupiter with the shwoosh...) and one or two other spots. And of course a nice wooden steering wheel like in the Jupiter!

jasoutside - You are certainly thinking outside the box on this one Jim, no doubt, she's going to be cool!

Thanks man... yup looooots o' curves on this one!

barato2 - man are they heavy! maybe add a knee brace or 2, or beef the existing one while you have boat gutted so you can hang a 4 stroke down the road?

Baaaahhh! These are StarCraft man! You could hang 2 300's off the back no problem! Floating would be a problem, but the transom --- she'd be fine!

Weep'n Willy -Now that is an unique console!! Looks great.

Thanks WW! Yup... it's and interesting one!

GA_Boater - Your console is looking like the pilot station in the Enterprise. Got a place for dilithium crystals?

It appears you could build some storage into it. Can't wait to see it all dressed out.

There's room for Scotty under there...! Should be interesting when it's done. Hopefully it turns out half decent!